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Best disk for desktop/gaming usage?
WESTERN DIGITAL WD10EZEX 1TB CAVIAR BLUE
100%
 100%  [ 23 ]
SEAGATE ST1000DM010 BARRACUDA
0%
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SEAGATE ST1000DM003 BARRACUDA
0%
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SEAGATE ST1000VM002 1TB 3.5'' PIPELINE HD
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
SEAGATE ST1000VX000 1TB 3.5'' SURVEILLANCE SV35
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 0%  [ 0 ]
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VGAdeadcafe




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 00:59    Post subject: Hard disk recommendations
I am having space problems and I want to buy a 3.5" hdd, 1TB. My budget for this is ultra-low, up to 60 euros. In the summer I intend to buy an SSD as a primary disk but for now I need some space.

Which companies are the most reliable?
Is there a noticeable difference between 32mb cache and 64mb cache?
Is there a noticeable difference in speed between these standard conventional hdds? Like for example, is that Western Digital "black" line of hdds really faster? Or just marketing bs?


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Przepraszam
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 01:05    Post subject:
WD Black is literary one of the best hard drives atm right now.
Can't also beat a 5year warranty vs 3-2 with other drives.

And yea, it's somehow faster. I own couple of WD Green which is pretty slow but I use it mainly for storage so it doesnt matter.

Are you going to use it for gaming or storage? If gaming get black if storage get blue.


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 01:13    Post subject:
wd10ezex

Legend among 1tb hard drives


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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 01:28    Post subject:
I added a poll. 5 disks that are all (unless I made a mistake) 1TB, 7200rpm, 64mb cache at around the same price. The last two are a few euros more expensive.
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 01:44    Post subject:
get WD black if you can afford it


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Janz




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 01:46    Post subject:
hard to say, personally i always used only samsung (and seagate samsung drives). had one failure in the last ~20 years, but no complete death and instant replacement from samsung via ups express (that was a 160gb sata1 drive 10 years ago, or even older, the replacement still works as backup drive)

build some wd drives into other pcs, a few died. and a few samsung of friends died. its a lottery. dunno if im just lucky or my air flow suits it (even survived with 2 hitachi deathstars, they still work; used some fans you could screw under the drives back in the days on the deskstars)
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 02:10    Post subject:
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VGAdeadcafe




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 02:12    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
get WD black if you can afford it

I don't think I can Sad

Also the ST1000VM002 is 5900rpm, fuck that shit. Can't edit the poll.
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Przepraszam
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 02:57    Post subject:
Stay away from Seagate. Highest failure rate.


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ixigia
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 04:51    Post subject:
I'm on the Caviar Blue myself, can't complain. It isn't a champion of speed but it's been serving me nicely for 5 years (and counting), a honest humble worker Very Happy
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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 09:48    Post subject:
I also have good experience with WD10EZEX. Two of them in my computer for three years, one in sister's computer, and I also recommended purchase to several colleagues - no problems so far.

It's cold and has only one platter.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 11:27    Post subject:
One thing I've noticed with 10ezex is that it got loud after like 4 or 5 years.
It was whisper quiet qhen I bought it. Speed is sitll the same thoguh.

There is no 2gb version? 1tb is not much these days


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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 11:29    Post subject:
People still buy 1TB drives? WTF.

Here you could get 2 or even 3 TB sometimes for ~70€.


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Janz




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 12:23    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
Stay away from Seagate. Highest failure rate.


actually not true, sure there are no "true" statistics about it. but take this here for example as a hint:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/

if you calculate down the huge amount of drives they have of seagate 4tb drives (35k with 200 dead) wd is even more likely to break down
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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 14:10    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
Here you could get 2 or even 3 TB sometimes for ~70€.

Failure rate is too high for 3 TB drives.
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couleur
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 14:20    Post subject:
Since steam and 200mbit internet connections, large > 2TB hdds only find purpose in my server, with movies, personal cloud and backup.

The latest Hdd I bought for my PC was that WD10EZEX, no issues so far.


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todd72173




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Dec 2016 16:31    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
People still buy 1TB drives? WTF.

Here you could get 2 or even 3 TB sometimes for ~70€.

Exactly! 1TB drives are a way too small.

I bought a 6TB drive which is a re-badged Toshiba:
$145 Marshal TOSHIBA Internal Near Line Model Sata3 6 Gbs 128MB Cache 7200rpm

Will have to swap out my other 3TB soon and replace it with another 6TB prob the same rebadged one.


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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Dec 2016 02:17    Post subject:
Men, I ordered the Western Digital!

Now when it comes I will want to clone/move the whole main partition of my current drive which is 320gb into the new one and boot Windows (8.1 x64) from that one instead of the old hdd. Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Dec 2016 02:53    Post subject:
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Dec 2016 12:08    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
Men, I ordered the Western Digital!

Now when it comes I will want to clone/move the whole main partition of my current drive which is 320gb into the new one and boot Windows (8.1 x64) from that one instead of the old hdd. Any ideas?


Clonezilla




Another one is Veeam Endpoint Backup FREE: https://www.veeam.com/endpoint-backup-free.html




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Guy_Incognito




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Dec 2016 13:30    Post subject:
I have good experience with EaseUs Partition Master. It can also realign sectors to 4k multiply if you are migrating wrongly formatted HDD to SDD.
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Dec 2016 14:27    Post subject:
Be careful with Clonezilla... In basic mode got funky clones two times while doing smaller into larger drive cloning. Drive got cloned into the middle of the larger drive. On partition map there was unpartitioned space to the left and to the right Shocked Laughing So, in order to resize the target drive, partitions must first be moved to the side but that would take many more time than to reclone Very Happy

Also, in order to get 100% full clone "GUID partition table (GPT) identifier" / "master boot record (MBR) signature of a disk" must also be cloned. Many tools don't do that. So, recommend you to get the id via diskpart, so you can set it manually later.


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Janz




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Dec 2016 14:43    Post subject:
just do a 1:1 clone with clonezilla and expand the volume later. no problem during that directly when win is already running

but make sure it clones every partition, otherwise windows wont boot
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Dec 2016 14:47    Post subject:
WhiteBarbarian wrote:
Be careful with Clonezilla... In basic mode got funky clones two times while doing smaller into larger drive cloning. Drive got cloned into the middle of the larger drive. On partition map there was unpartitioned space to the left and to the right Shocked Laughing So, in order to resize the target drive, partitions must first be moved to the side but that would take many more time than to reclone Very Happy

Also, in order to get 100% full clone "GUID partition table (GPT) identifier" / "master boot record (MBR) signature of a disk" must also be cloned. Many tools don't do that. So, recommend you to get the id via diskpart, so you can set it manually later.


Clonezilla is like any other tool. Yes you can do a lot of damage if you don't know what you are doing. That's why these video tutorials can be useful for beginners. Checking the tutorials before actually doing anything is highly recommended.


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PostPosted: Sat, 31st Dec 2016 15:43    Post subject:
I got the drive yesterday and did the migration, all seems good Smile

For anyone interested, I installed a cracked version of EaseUS Partition Manager and used the Migrate OS option, restarted and waited a couple of hours for the cloning to finish, then after Win loaded I did a "shutdown -s -t 0", disconnected the old drive and connected the new drive to the SATA 0 port. I booted, the EaseUS boot loader did some 1-time operation, after Win loaded I shitdown the PC and connected the old drive to SATA 1.

Oh, yeah, at some point I also resized the partition to use the full 1 TB. And now at some point I will fully erase the old drive and use it as a torrent dump. Laughing

I also discovered that because of Win 8's hybrid shutdown fuckery, you may have to do a restart so that the nealy connected drive appears in Disk Management. That's why I did full shutdowns with the -s parameter later.

Also, Windows and some apps have used the serial of the primary HDD in their licence gayness obviously, so I had to reactivate Directory Opus and Windows now shows me an activation watermark. Silly Microcock, you gon' get raped Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Jan 2017 12:53    Post subject:
i just bought the recommended hdd. thank for the poll VGAdeadcafe and to all the others, who knew about it. it's nicely quiet in my System.
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Janz




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jan 2017 19:37    Post subject:
just threw out my old 640gb samsung drive, got a hitachi 2tb drive very very cheap, 4 years old but only 100hrs runtime. good enough for data storage stuff. now 3x2tb + 1x1tb + 256gb ssd + 128gb ssd ^^ think the next step is to replace the 1tb drive with another 2tb and the 128gb ssd with a 512gb one Very Happy

anyone here using affordable 2-4 bay nas units?
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Feb 2017 02:35    Post subject:
So I rebuilt pc in new case Fractal define C and noticed something.

With all fans in case off. Even on cpu, gpu and psu, there is quite loud dry hum.
It is my wd10ezex. Sure I got it in like 2011 but it just loud.

Would new wd10ezex be quieter? What are my most silent options? I would go for 500gb ssd but they are still too expensive

Edit: nvm ordered seagate firecuda 1tb sshd. Its new not much reviewed drive. 5 years of warranty so seagate seems to be betting on it


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