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| hellishere wrote: | | When i type apps, on the search windows bar (taskbar) and i try to press on the box that opens the apps, it doesnt open.. any tips to repair this stuff? Its kinda hand to search for windows settings and open them directly from search.. |
Right click taskbar - settings, then home, or whatever.
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Jan 2017 14:16 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Maybe you're delivering a presentation to a huge audience. Maybe you're taking an online test. Maybe you just need to get some work done on a tight deadline. Windows doesn't care. Windows will take control of your computer, force-feed it updates, and flip the reset switch automatically — and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, once it gets started.
If you haven't saved your work, it's gone. Your browser tabs are toast. And don't expect to use your computer again soon; depending on the speed of your drive and the size of the update, it could be anywhere from 10 minutes to well over an hour before your PC is ready for work. As far as I'm concerned, it's the single worst thing about Windows. It's only gotten worse in Windows 10. And when I poked around Microsoft, the overarching message I received was that Microsoft has no interest in fixing it.
The editor recalls rebooting his Windows laptop while listening to a speech by Steve Jobs in 2010. (The reboot locked his computer for 20 minutes while updates were installed, "the first of three occasions that a forced Windows update would totally destroy my workflow at a critical moment.") He shares stories from other frustrated Windows users, urges readers to send him more anecdotes, and argues that Microsoft has even begun "actively getting rid of ways to keep users from disabling automatic updates." |
https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-forced-updates-auto-restarts-are-the-worst/
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Jan 2017 15:09 Post subject: |
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While I don't intend to diminish the criticism here, the core message appears to be simply wrong. I have circumvented this problem since whenever it presented itself. E.g. currently I use a third party tool to deactivate updates entirely. Before that , I set up windows to only notifiy me of updates. Which was an extreme pain in the ass, because the retarded 'you've got updates UWP screen' caused issues. In my experience it often stole active focus without presenting the screen to me, because my full screen application prevented that or something. So in a game I lost control but couldn't tell immediately why.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 14:20 Post subject: |
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| Invasor wrote: |
The editor recalls rebooting his Windows laptop while listening to a speech by Steve Jobs in 2010. (The reboot locked his computer for 20 minutes while updates were installed, "the first of three occasions that a forced Windows update would totally destroy my workflow at a critical moment.") |
yeah, this is definitely true on an win10 install, even with the gpedit tweaks, the update reminder will take over focus and minimize you to desktop regardless of what you are doing.
but in 2010? the guy is a dumbass. on win7, it was a 1 minute affair of navigating the windows GUI to prevent this from happening. I bet simpletons like this editor, and the telemetry MS gathered from their usage patterns are part of the the reason newer editions have less options. |
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 14:47 Post subject: |
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i think he means a speech which was held by jobs in 2010
but nevertheless -> still bullshit. the infocenter notification is an overlay. doesnt minimize anything. and force installs only happens if the user has postponed it multiple times over a few days
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:38 Post subject: |
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I never leave updates set to automatically exactly because of this. I disable the updates and when I have the time, once every few months, I do the updates by hand. The only exception is Defender for which it notifies you when it needs an update. This seems to be the best way to handle the updates and I've never had trouble with my PC wanting to update when I wanted a quick reboot.
I do get the annoyance for those who just want it to update without any hassle - but Windows DOES give you the chance to update several times over before it forces you to reboot. This is actually a security measure because, until you reboot
a) it won't perform any other updates INCLUDING Defender updates
b) until the reboot, the updates are not actually applied
So if you end up being forced to reboot, then it's because you've postponed it several times already and neglected the warnings.
Also, if it takes 20 minutes, it's usually because you've piled up a ton of updates - most single updates take a few minutes tops to apply.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:40 Post subject: |
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after using 10 for about 1 year, returned to 8.1 x64.
| Sin317 wrote: | | while you can't "turn gay", you can cut off your balls. believe me, you'll never think of women again. |
| zmed wrote: | | Or just a defense mechanism. If you fart, you'll most definitely smell it so your brain tells you it ain't bad as strangerfarts. |
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:45 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | but nevertheless -> still bullshit. the infocenter notification is an overlay. |
It can take away focus though which is even worse, because you may not even know what is happening.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:49 Post subject: |
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never had, not in borderless windowed mode nor in exclusive fullscreen mode (and i get a lot of notifications cause my phone is synched with it; they might act different than update notifications which have buttons to accept or decline but it cant remember anything strange happening there too)
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:52 Post subject: |
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Well it happened to me. And yes it was update notifications as I dont want automatic updates. Of course I now deactivated windows updates entirely.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:56 Post subject: |
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| speedgear wrote: | | after using 10 for about 1 year, returned to 8.1 x64. |
Windows 10 is a year and a half old and I haven't switched to it yet because, just like with Vista, it's taking ages for certain drives to be released for some odd reason. And again, it's the sound cards that have the most trouble it seems - Xonar U7 still doesn't have fully working Windows 10 drivers.
On top of that, I hear Windows 10 breaks quite a lot of older games which worries me.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 15:59 Post subject: |
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10 breaks no games, it breaks copy protections. just use cracks and you are fine (and win7 does that too if a specific update is applied). overall win10 even supports older games better than 7
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 16:09 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | 10 breaks no games, it breaks copy protections. just use cracks and you are fine (and win7 does that too if a specific update is applied). overall win10 even supports older games better than 7 |
GOG seems to show otherwise though - and those games are already cracked. From what I read, it's mostly down to certain features of Windows being missing or GOG fixes for them no longer working on Windows 10. Direct Draw is one of those.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 16:36 Post subject: |
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can you give me an example please?
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 17:11 Post subject: |
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Off the top of my head it's hard to do since this was a case of simply stumbling upon these topics while error shooting my own problems. I remember Desperados not working because the work around wasn't working on Windows 10 but I just looked it up and there's a new fix for that now. GTA VC also had terrible framerates but that too got fixed by Microsoft itself.
I'll keep an eye on it - if most of the problems have been fixed, I may make the move after all. I mean, it's €6 for the Pro version of Win 10 ...
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 17:15 Post subject: |
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you misspelled 130 euros!
dude if you want to pay for the os do it right, but dont throw money at scammers! otherwise just use a kms activator. all those cheap keys are either stolen from big companies or keygened old win7 keys (which still work for activation of 10). buying a key without a coa is not a valid license, and those printed 10 stickers with the keys on which are cheap are not coas
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 17:20 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | you misspelled 130 euros!
dude if you want to pay for the os do it right, but dont throw money at scammers! otherwise just use a kms activator. all those cheap keys are either stolen from big companies or keygened old win7 keys (which still work for activation of 10). buying a key without a coa is not a valid license, and those printed 10 stickers with the keys on which are cheap are not coas |
I've had my fill with activators so no thank you - don't like having to re-arm every few months and having updates close the exploits. I've spent hours "fixing" Windows installations like that because they updated their Windows (especially the Windows 10 update which they accidentally activated, broke ALL of those activations). On the other hand, I've had zero problems with cheap keys bought from key sellers - they activate just fine. For €6 it's a steal.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 19:46 Post subject: |
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there are also stolen KMS keys on the internet (for free) which are activated forever (or until you reformat your pc again) via ms phone hotline.
but you are right only a maniac would pay 130 euros for windows and especially windows 10 lol
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 19:55 Post subject: |
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its not about giving ms that much money (though if you think about it how many hours daily u use the system and for how many years you will do that even 130 euros is more than cheap), its about not giving even any little amount to the scammers. its easy like that, and btw buying those keys can get even the buyer into trouble cause everybody with little intellect has to know that an item for 5% of the original price has to be stolen goods. never paid that much for any license too, but thats cause i have legal access to a trillion original msdn/technet keys
just use the ms toolkit and you are fine and dont have to reactivate anything manually
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 22:43 Post subject: |
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| Invasor wrote: | | Quote: | Maybe you're delivering a presentation to a huge audience. Maybe you're taking an online test. Maybe you just need to get some work done on a tight deadline. Windows doesn't care. Windows will take control of your computer, force-feed it updates, and flip the reset switch automatically — and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, once it gets started.
If you haven't saved your work, it's gone. Your browser tabs are toast. And don't expect to use your computer again soon; depending on the speed of your drive and the size of the update, it could be anywhere from 10 minutes to well over an hour before your PC is ready for work. As far as I'm concerned, it's the single worst thing about Windows. It's only gotten worse in Windows 10. And when I poked around Microsoft, the overarching message I received was that Microsoft has no interest in fixing it.
The editor recalls rebooting his Windows laptop while listening to a speech by Steve Jobs in 2010. (The reboot locked his computer for 20 minutes while updates were installed, "the first of three occasions that a forced Windows update would totally destroy my workflow at a critical moment.") He shares stories from other frustrated Windows users, urges readers to send him more anecdotes, and argues that Microsoft has even begun "actively getting rid of ways to keep users from disabling automatic updates." |
https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-forced-updates-auto-restarts-are-the-worst/ |
This is a double edged sword. As a someone who works with about 3000 machines including workstations and servers I can clearly understand why Microsoft is trying to be 'asshole' at this. There s a very large number of people who couldn't care less about keeping their machines up to date or to reboot them occasionally. There is nothing worst then a crappy laptop with no updates from last 6 months and when you install them all at once including Office updates and what not it's quite clear that shit will most likely hit the fan.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2017 03:19 Post subject: |
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I'm forced to use LTSB with a KMS option (KMS_VL_ALL), despite owning the Pro version, and once configured, no re-arm after 8 months, so far, I can live with that, and all been good.  I own Pro version on Surface Pro 4 (3 units) also, and am now looking into using the same system and method on these, but I suspect that it will be a little harder, due to them being more locked down, etc. Fuckin MS these days!!, I god damn hate their vision, and shitty OS!
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2017 10:11 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | | I'm forced to use LTSB with a KMS option (KMS_VL_ALL), despite owning the Pro version, and once configured, no re-arm after 8 months, so far, I can live with that, and all been good. I own Pro version on Surface Pro 4 (3 units) also, and am now looking into using the same system and method on these, but I suspect that it will be a little harder, due to them being more locked down, etc. Fuckin MS these days!!, I god damn hate their vision, and shitty OS! |
You know why their vision is shit now? It is due to the main guy at MS being a mobile app visionary, was a big thing on him other day on TV I watched about the guy, it was like he had zero fucking interest in a good desktop for pc's just wanted it all his way for a more mobile environment. |
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2017 15:45 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | scaramonga wrote: | | I'm forced to use LTSB with a KMS option (KMS_VL_ALL), despite owning the Pro version, and once configured, no re-arm after 8 months, so far, I can live with that, and all been good. I own Pro version on Surface Pro 4 (3 units) also, and am now looking into using the same system and method on these, but I suspect that it will be a little harder, due to them being more locked down, etc. Fuckin MS these days!!, I god damn hate their vision, and shitty OS! |
You know why their vision is shit now? It is due to the main guy at MS being a mobile app visionary, was a big thing on him other day on TV I watched about the guy, it was like he had zero fucking interest in a good desktop for pc's just wanted it all his way for a more mobile environment. |
Because that's the market they want to grow towards. Corporations always want to grow and expand at the expense of their current market which is why so many corporations eventually end up failing. The 80's were full of companies going bankrupt for trying to get a piece of the home gaming market - Milton Bradley actually got bought out by Hasbro after the Vectrex failed badly for example.
With Microsoft, they got the consumer and professional market sorted - Macs are shunned in most workplaces for not supporting common business software so Microsoft take their market share for granted and are worried people might eventually move on to wireless devices, leaving their desktop behind. When you consider that the majority of people use their desktop for Facebook and surfing, it's not really an unwarranted worry. But, the way they do it is the wrong way - by pissing off desktop users, they're giving Windows a bad name on both platforms.
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Feb 2017 01:34 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Feb 2017 04:03 Post subject: |
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Uhmm .. did something happen? 
Btw, Redstone 2 (aka major Win10 update) t-minus 2+ months and counting... 
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Feb 2017 07:03 Post subject: |
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Well No... we have no alternatives regrettably... as much I hate the Devil we have to live with it as the rest of the industry is following along to power the apps/games of the future as much as I wish for a viable alternative. 
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Feb 2017 07:59 Post subject: |
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| red_avatar wrote: | | speedgear wrote: | | after using 10 for about 1 year, returned to 8.1 x64. |
Windows 10 is a year and a half old and I haven't switched to it yet because, just like with Vista, it's taking ages for certain drives to be released for some odd reason. And again, it's the sound cards that have the most trouble it seems - Xonar U7 still doesn't have fully working Windows 10 drivers.
On top of that, I hear Windows 10 breaks quite a lot of older games which worries me. |
Oh I have a U7. Hade to reinstall drivers after some big uppdate. Other then that it works fine. If the quick settings disappear I have a shortcut to the program on the start menu.
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| Posted: Mon, 13th Feb 2017 08:10 Post subject: |
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https://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/13/windows-10-group-policy-pack-privacy-and-telemetry/
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