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| Posted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 18:17 Post subject: |
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Paxsali, what about Arma III for example? Jesus are you really trolling?
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 18:33 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 18:56 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 19:21 Post subject: |
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Any news about ryzen?
No?
Ohh ok. 
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 21:36 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 23:25 Post subject: I have left. |
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I have left.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 23:26 Post subject: |
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I think it's time to declare the Psycho Circus experience concluded. Please guys, no more de-railing and/or silly off-topics, this isn't the void dammit. 
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Dec 2016 11:23 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | [] Performances - Raw computations
H.264 encoding 1080p & H.265, Wprime, PovRay 3.7, Blender 3D, 3DSMax 2015 / Mental Ray, Corona Benchmark
With it's true eight cores, Zen accomplishes prowesses despite it's limited frequency of 3.3 Ghz. It's getting dangerously close - for Intel - of the Intel 6900K while offering performance comparable to the Core i7 5960X which has an identical frequency (3.3 Ghz in Turbo mode). AMD's allegations a few months ago seem to check out in practice, and this is an excellent news. Compared to the FX-8370, we witness a performance gain of around 35% for equal clockspeeds, matching there too with the manufacturer's previsions (40%)
[] Video games performances
Far Cry 4, GRID: AutoSport, Battlefield 4, Arma III, X3:TC, The Witcher 3 : Wild hunt, Anno 2070
If the results might seem clearly more disappointing on the average of the tested games, it fits to keep in mind than the tested prototype was an octo-core with a quite low frequency (in particular in Turbo mode). Meanwhile, the tested games stay very sensitive to the frequency and keep struggling to exploit more than four cores. Hard in those conditions to compare it with a Core i7 6700k of which frequency is at over 4 Ghz. Remains that the Zen architecture shows an efficiency we haven't saw at AMD since a very long time.
[] Electric consumtion
Measures took at full load (in watts)
The measurement of the electric consumption of the Zen CPU was took with an amps meter on the ATX 12V connector at full load. While this method is less precise than the usual one we do on the oscilloscope, it gives a good idea of the performances of the 14 nm LPP of Global Foundries. Once removed losses from the motherboard's VRMs, we can estimate that the processor consumes a bit less than 90 W, a value very close to that of an 6900K. A result that gives good faith in the future.
Editor's opinion:
The Zen architecture should allow ZEN to seriously come back on the CPU market, including the high-end segment abandoned since long. Intel thus risks to suffer a violent [untranslatable French gibberish], a well-deserved consequence for their years of lazyness and arrogance ( The 1 900€ core i7 6950X shall stay the perfect illustration of that). If we hope the comeback of a real concurrency on the processor market, all is not won yet for AMD. While the octocores look on schedule, the constructor must finalize quickly the quad-core derivatives with vastly higher frequencies than the current prototypes: 3.8 see 4.0 or 4.2 Ghz seems like the minimum to tickle the latest Kaby Lake. At last, remains a sizeable unknown : the prices. If some rumours talk of a prety low price grid, we doubt AMD will cut down their CPU while they at last have a chance to make up for their years of losses. At must, do not fuck up in the last straight line .. |
Translated from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5jx7q7/zen_benchmark_from_french_hardware_magazine/?sort=confidence
TL;DR:
- High performance in rendering jobs
- in games ~3% slower than a i5-6600K
- power consumption similar to i7-6900K
Meh, let's wait for some more gaming benchmarks. But this looks like shit so far.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Dec 2016 11:45 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Dec 2016 11:49 Post subject: |
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I mean this sample has a 3.15 GHz base clock while the final version is supposed to be 3.4+. If you account for that it's pretty damn good unless you expected it to outright destroy everything Intel has on offer. I'm very interested in the pricing and overclockability now.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Dec 2016 12:51 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: |
and it doesnt say 3,1ghz, it says 3,3ghz. |
3.15 is the base clock, 3.3 is the turbo. So the the final clocks should be 3.4+/3.55+.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Dec 2016 12:58 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Dec 2016 13:26 Post subject: |
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its a fail cause it barely catches up with almost two year old hardware (the time zen will hit the market) in the main use for OUR purposes here, which is gaming. amd has imho no chance to get back into the server market, its dominated by intel. so the only market where they can make money is the casual market. there they need either very cheap and for that price fast cpus (the market is dominated by intel with i3s) or a impressive bang for the buck cpu for gaming. the market for virtualization -> nope sorry, its intel there too
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| Posted: Sat, 24th Dec 2016 13:54 Post subject: |
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In gaming tests, their fastest CPU was the 6700K, which had 122% the speed of the Zen they tested. The difference in speed is actually very close to their difference in clock. They say the 6700K goes over 4ghz, meaning they most likely had it running at turbo, which is 4.2ghz.
The 6700K had 122% the effective gaming speed of the Zen, while running at 127% the clock speed.
AMD previously advertised Zen as 3.4ghz without specifying the turbo speed, 3.4ghz is already higher than the turbo clock in this test. If the Zen turbo to 3.8, you get a good CPU out of the box. Not as fast as the 6700K in gaming (if limited to 4 cores), but faster outside it.
At 3.8ghz, the Ryzen would place second in this chart, with approximately 112% as a result. 6900K @ 4.2hz is at 118.2%.
That's not a big difference, the 4.2ghz 6900K would be running at 105% the performance of the 3.8ghz Ryzen. That's going from 60fps to 63fps.
With that said, this is still missing two very important information.
1) The price. If it's the same price as the 6700K, it would be a great CPU for 8-core (16 threads) applications, but not a very appealing Gaming CPU (yet). Why buy the same price for slightly slower if the only thing you do is game?
2) Overclocking capability. I said it before, but I don't buy (same for many) Intel CPUs to run them at stock settings. With the 6700K easily going to 4.5ghz - 4.8ghz for the lucky - that 4ghz speed isn't representative of the final product we use. We need to see if Zen overclocks well or poorly.
Personally, if the Zen overclocked as well as the 6700K and was released at the same price, I'd pick it over the 6700K in a heartbeat purely for the sake of the rare games that use more than 4 cores/4 threads + future releases.
I WOULD be surprised if overclocking Zen allowed us to bridge the gap. Going from 4ghz to 4.5ghz is a 113% increase. To match the 4.5ghz 6700K, Zen would need to run at 4.1ghz. If the base clock ends up being 3.4ghz, that's a 121% increase. Much higher than the 113% for Intel.
TL;DR: we still don't know enough to judge, but if it releases at the same price as the 6700K, we get an amazing multi-core CPU which doesn't perform as well as the 6700K in 4-core games.
My personal guess? It'll cost a bit more than the 6700K and we'll stick with Intel for dedicated gaming rigs. But I'm dumb and likely wrong.
Also my math is likely wrong. I rounded up far too often.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2017 03:52 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2017 03:58 Post subject: |
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I hope AMD can bring some serious competition to the low and middle end market. Also, what is the difference between Zen and Ryzen? Or are they used interchangeably?
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Jan 2017 04:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 20:25 Post subject: |
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Release either before or at GDC (Feb 27-March 3) is basically confirmed. Aside from that there have been a bunch of contradictory rumors in regards to what SKUs we're going to see on launch, but at this point it's better to just wait a month instead of wasting time with those.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2017 20:28 Post subject: |
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I just wish AMD would release some fucking infos. Not this bullshit with no infos at all, besides some dumb marketing videos.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 18:33 Post subject: |
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the fact that they are naming them to match intel tiers kinda sounds promising. hopefully it's not just to catch the newbs off guard. I still shake my head at people on steam forums who bought fx cpu's and then a few years later they are baffled that they are CPU limited in demanding titles, like they lived under a rock for a decade.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 18:40 Post subject: |
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Give me some leaked benchmarks instead.
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couleur
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 18:40 Post subject: |
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What I find a little weird is how they position 16 threads against 8 threads and 12 threads against 4.
The comparison will be heavily influenced by how well applications use multi-threading.
The more interesting comparison will be single-threaded apps, and I fear that AMD may just not be up to par in that regard, hence why the offer more threads to try and compensate.
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