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| couleur wrote: |
The comparison will be heavily influenced by how well applications use multi-threading.
The more interesting comparison will be single-threaded apps, and I fear that AMD may just not be up to par in that regard, hence why the offer more threads to try and compensate. |
If the current trend continues, single threaded performance significance, at least when it comes to demanding games, is going to fade out soon together with 4 thread's becoming sub optimal for gaming.
Alt tabbing out of demanding titles with a 4 thread CPU these days is not a pleasant experience. Can't multi task for shit.
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couleur
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2017 19:03 Post subject: |
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I agree, so lets hope intel will be pushed to put its 16 thread CPUs in affordable price regions.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2017 14:08 Post subject: |
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What the hell, i5´s with hyperthreading and increased clock speeds, sounds like Intel is scared about these "defect" Ryzen CPU´s.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2017 14:36 Post subject: |
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they most likely introduce i5 with ht but lower clockspeeds than the i7 and minus some other features like vt-d to have something on par in terms of cores to destroy the 4 core + ht ryzens. just in case amd delivers ,which i seriously doubt atm. too less information from amd, if they would have something in hand which is really great they would have already shown much more stuff
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2017 17:04 Post subject: |
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the way intel is shitting their pants Ryzen is looking very good
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2017 19:13 Post subject: |
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cause its the main market, nobody will pay houndreds of dollars for amds top modell. amd needs to bring powerful midrange cpus, lowrange is intels territory with the kaby pentiums. and high end most likely aswell. they need to get the people who think about buying an i5 cause i7 is too expensive or useless for their tasks.
edit: little headsup, those mentioned new cpus from intel are no reaction to ryzen (means they dont "fear" amd). they were announced prior already and are kaby-lake-x for socket 2066
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2017 15:39 Post subject: |
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Another price rumor for the new AMD CPU's.
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_ryzen_r7_lineup_of_8_core_16_thread_cpu_prices_revealed.html
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Not a day goes by without an AMD Ryzen processor update it seems. In this latest bulletin we can report you that the Euro price for the AMD Ryzen R7 8-core, 16-thread Processor have been spotted.
Spanish website elchapuzas informatico claims to have the prices including VAT for their region in the world, and they are very sure that thay have the right information at hand. They even claim the prices will be close to a few euros precise.
They have info on the following three Ryzen processors, all 8 cores 16 threaded parts, indicative of what AMD would be launching with (Summit Ridge):
AMD Ryzen R7 1800X
They start with the AMD Ryzen R7 1800X . This is the flagship processor and it has has 8 cores with 16 threads and is assumed to get a Boost frequency of 4.00 GHz. The boost frequencies are not confirmed, but the indications we have seen the past few weeks would state a 4.0 GHz Turbo and 3.6 Ghz base clock. No further data was revealed. Now keep in mind (if the perf is close) a similar 8-core Intel CPU would cost you about 1,200 euros, the cost for the flasgship Ryzen R7 1800X processor would be 599.99 euros. These are unlocked (multiplier) processors.
AMD Ryzen R7 1700X
The next AMD Ryzen in line is the R7 1700X, this one would again get 8 cores and 16 threads but this time at a Turbo frequency of 3.80 GHz, so yes this is pretty much the same processor, just with a lower base and Turbo frequency albeit the turbo on this model is again not confirmed. Both R7 1700X and 1800x are focused at enthusiast and professional usage and the price for the 1700X would be 469.99 euros .
AMD Ryzen R7 1700
Then there is the AMD R7 Ryzen 1700, this would be a top-end CPU for gamers and yes, again you'll receive an 8 core and 16 threads processor. This time at a Turbo frequency of 3.70 GHz, the most notable being that it is the only model that indicates a TDP, which is set as 65W whereas the other two would be 95 Watt parts. This unit indeed could be very attractive to DiY PC gamers and would cost 389.95 euros which is spot on with the Core i7 7700K. Even if the IPC perf would be a notch slower due to clock frequencies, you'd still get the 8-cores over 4 on that Intel processor.
These three units are the only ones listed at elchapuzasinformatico.com, if true then the Ryzen platform could be incredibly price competitive. The validity of these price claims are unknown, but they seem pretty sure and confident of themselves. Prices in SUD should not be far off as the prices mentioned above include VAT.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2017 16:20 Post subject: |
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around 400 euros for the "usual" aka most reasonable model? thats 100 bucks too much to get into a real fight with intel. most stuff cant use 8 cores in a efficient way, so 8 cores + 8 virtual cores is really useless
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2017 16:28 Post subject: |
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Then lets just hope it's an empty rumor that doesn't hold any weight and the prices will be lower than that. 
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2017 16:32 Post subject: |
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Development costs and delays can't have been very good for pricing though so I can see them trying to match the Skylake and Kaby Lake pricing and perhaps a little bit lower depending on CPU model.
Though what it comes down to is how they compare performance wise, some games can use 6 - 8 cores now but 4 cores is still working really well so you gain more from higher clock speeds than core count.
Not really sure when they'll start sending out review models and when said reviews can be posted since it'll likely have a NDA until closer to release but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2017 17:43 Post subject: |
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Want to see some benchmarks soon for the AMD R7 Ryzen 1700.
Thanks.
Enthoo Evolv ATX TG // Asus Prime x370 // Ryzen 1700 // Gainward GTX 1080 // 16GB DDR4-3200
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2017 19:01 Post subject: |
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I could use 8 cores right now. I truly hope that amd got something useful here.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2017 09:39 Post subject: |
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I'll believe it when I see it.
At the moment it seems to be too good to be true.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2017 11:17 Post subject: |
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389 + tax etc. In europe it will end up with ~450 euros...
its too much, i doubt amd can achieve a better core/clockspeed value than intel. and putting a 1700x against an i7 7700k (~360 euros), i dunno. i want to see real values. i doubt amd can beat intel with lower clock speeds, and no consumer needs 8 cores / 16 threads atm or in the next 2-3-4 years
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2017 12:30 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | and no consumer needs 8 cores / 16 threads atm or in the next 2-3-4 years |
I would still prefer 8 over 4 or 6. If single core performance is good enough. Not sure if I would pay 450€ though.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2017 12:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2017 13:01 Post subject: |
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4C8T/6C12T will be enough for the coming years if IPC and overclocking is good enough. It will take some time for the manufacturing process to mature enough to give AMD enough fully working CPU's on the silicon slabs. I have no idea what percentages of working 8C's they get out of each disc but I doubt they are particularly high, driving up the costs for AMD.
| Quote: | AMD Ryzen Family Will Include 6 Core Processors – 6 Core Variant Will Clock Up To 3.7 GHz, 8 Core With Up To 4.0 GHz Clock Speeds
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This is one of the several 8 core models that are expected to appear in the upcoming months. We have seen an 8 core model clocked at 3.6 GHz base and 3.9 GHz boost being demoed at CES 2017. That specific model had the “1D3601A2M88F3_39/36_N” codename. Revision was labeled as F3 while the 8 core model in the benchmarks has a newer revision of F4. Assuming that XFR (Extended Frequency Range) runs as it is intended, these chips would have no problem reaching 4 GHz+ under good cooling conditions.
The third 8 core model is the “ZD3601BAM88F4_40/36_Y” which is the highest clocked model with base clock of 3.6 GHz and boost clock of 4.0 GHz. This is the highest clocked model we have seen so far under the F3 revision, which operates at factory shipped speeds up to 4.0 GHz and beyond that with XFR. |
Cherry picked CPU's are going out to reviewers under NDA until a certain date. The first batch of reviews showing good O/C capabilities will probably not be common for the regular buyer getting random chips, YET.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2017 17:53 Post subject: |
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just some rumors computerbase posted from a dev meeting, amd now clearified there wont be any win 7 or 8 drivers
and thats ok, 7 is dead
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2017 19:36 Post subject: |
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It was to be expected, no point in complaining about it. Just a shame that 8 won't be supported too.
One more reason to stick to intel I guess 
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Feb 2017 12:24 Post subject: |
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The third one will probably be similar to the Hyper 212 EVO in performance, like the Wraith. Not all that great when compared to top-tier Noctuas, but pretty good for a stock cooler.
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