@proekaan : Thanks for the heads up. Cant wait to put together a new toy, the first since my 3570K build. I may ditch the Fractal R4 for something smaller. This things seems to need less cooling.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
I'm looking at this with interest despite not having the resources to upgrade the poor 2500k, since as Proeky and others mentioned I'm just happy that the silly stagnation seems to be finally moving towards a non-monopoly situation that could bring advantages to the customers like a domino effect. Fuck monopolies in the butt!
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You're still getting 8 core CPUs in the preformance range of 17-6900K for less than half the price.
Or just wait for 1600X and be done with it.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
Sure. Take your 4790K for example russ: MSRP for that is still $339 (street price is about that as well, at least here in NL). That's 4C/8T at 4.0 - 4.4 GHz at 88W.
If the numbers are all correct, the 1700X will match that at 3.4 - 3.8 GHz, 95W for singlethreaded workloads. But then in multithreaded workloads, because it's 8C/16T it'll absolutely demolish it with scores that are pretty much twice as high. For $399.
As far as stock speeds go, AMD have basically just pulled a RV770 (4870) on Intel's GT200. Fortunately for Intel, I don't think they're capable of pulling a GF100 next year
We'll see with benchmarks next week, but it definitely looks like AMD are on track to deliver one hell of a product that'll shake things up massively. Sure, they've "only" caught up with Intel, but considering where they're coming from it's an enormous achievement. With Intel's next architecture still 18 months away and this being the first iteration too, it looks like AMD is back in the ring and ready to fight. There's nothing Intel can do right now to fight them other than dropping prices and from there it'll be a technology fight somewhere halfway through 2018 again.
I wonder why Intel was (is) always so hell-bent on only selling the large majority chips, especially the Open Multi ones, including their GPU parts.
I know they can be useful in a few scenarios (Office, NUCs, safeguard etc. ), but I bet many people would have bought a cheaper version without the GPU on it. (I know I would have)
Now AMD does it, and it allows them to put more cores on the Die and sell them cheaper.
btw.: I bet AMDs Ryzen based APUs will be really nice for low profile PCs in the league of Intels NUCs.
It all still depends on whether proekaan is telling the truth.
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The 170x has a good price but I would have to get new RAM, a new Motherboard and a cooler... catapulting this upgrade into the 700-800€ region :< And then I'm still stuck with a GTX970 ... that I should exchange for at least a 1070 in that case... Basically I would need a new computer
Well fuck me.. and that is the price with rather budgety components. After spending close to 1300€ I guess I can also shill out the extra 150 and take the 1070 instead -_-' Nah... my GTX970 and Xeon might survive a little longer :'(
The 170x has a good price but I would have to get new RAM, a new Motherboard and a cooler... catapulting this upgrade into the 700-800€ region :< And then I'm still stuck with a GTX970 ... that I should exchange for at least a 1070 in that case... Basically I would need a new computer
Well fuck me.. and that is the price with rather budgety components. After spending close to 1300€ I guess I can also shill out the extra 150 and take the 1070 instead -_-' Nah... my GTX970 and Xeon might survive a little longer :'(
You miserable fanboy... about to trash your intel just because of the amderp hype?!
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
Gibbo from overclockers.uk has got normal 1700 ryzen running @ 4Ghz, but he said that you will need the absolutely best motherboard to overclock these things, a.k.a Asrock Taichi or Asus Crosshair (only Crosshair managed this 4Ghz overclock), he also estimated that 1800X will do 4.1-4.3Ghz, golden samples ofcourse more.
Gibbo from overclockers.uk has got normal 1700 ryzen running @ 4Ghz, but he said that you will need the absolutely best motherboard to overclock these things, a.k.a Asrock Taichi or Asus Crosshair (only Crosshair managed this 4Ghz overclock), he also estimated that 1800X will do 4.1-4.3Ghz, golden samples ofcourse more.
Let's wait for some gaming benchmarks to see if the relatively low single core performance will have much of an impact.
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I really doubt that even today many games are making use of more than 4 cores.
So an (OCed) i7 or even a i5 might still be better in most games.
10% difference in IPC is really going to make earth shattering difference, guess extra 4 cores / 8 threads doesnt make up for it . Go venture to internets and search for modern games and you will find out that many games these days scales beyond 4 cores, there was even article posted today about it for all of the quad core lovers.
Edit: also that video what was posted, i havent never in my life seen such bad fake video
You miserable fanboy... about to trash your intel just because of the amderp hype?!
Wait, how can I be a fanboy by clearly stating that I'm ready to switch I basically alternated my whole life! Before the Xeon I had an Athlon II X4 940, before that I had a notebook with an Intel C2D T7200, before that an AMD K6 2 with 500MHz, before that a Pentium with 90MHz, before that an Am486 DX2 40MHz, before that an Intel 286 16Mhz, before that an Intel 8088 8Mhz and my very first machine was the Amiga 500.
I really doubt that even today many games are making use of more than 4 cores.
So an (OCed) i7 or even a i5 might still be better in most games.
10% difference in IPC is really going to make earth shattering difference, guess extra 4 cores / 8 threads doesnt make up for it . Go venture to internets and search for modern games and you will find out that many games these days scales beyond 4 cores, there was even article posted today about it for all of the quad core lovers.
Edit: also that video what was posted, i havent never in my life seen such bad fake video
There was an image in the CPU thread, not here.
Sometimes the CPUs with more than 4 cores perform better, yes. But only really at low resolutions. At 1080p (and higher) a 7700k and a i7-6950X perform relatively close.
An expection is for example Deus Ex, that performs really better with more cores/threads than an 7700k (though still no real difference between 6 and 10 cores) :
I'd never argue that someone should now replace their nice i7, especially not 6700 or 7700 ones with Ryzen. Those CPUs are and will still be great in the years to come.
But coming from an Ivy-Bridge i5 and in deseperate need to build a new system, Ryzen seems like the first good opportunity in years.
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I basically alternated my whole life! Before the Xeon I had an Athlon II X4 940, before that I had a notebook with an Intel C2D T7200, before that an AMD K6 2 with 500MHz, before that a Pentium with 90MHz, before that an Am486 DX2 40MHz, before that an Intel 286 16Mhz, before that an Intel 8088 8Mhz and my very first machine was the Amiga 500. 
