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I quit after the first fight. Why have a turn-based system when your tactical options are so limited?
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 09:46 Post subject: |
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Well, the game isn't very long and the end part of it lowered my opinion of the game, as the whole discovery of why all of this is happening is kind of mundane and makes me wish it had stayed a mystery.
It kind of feels like an over glorified cyoa book with a lot of padding and busy work if you play mostly pacifist. Unfortunately there isn't much of a reason to not go pacifist as the combat is very basic and unsatisfying.
If this game was 20$ instead of 44, I'd say its a pretty entertaining if flawed game, however at 44$ it isn't really worth it in my opinion.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 10:20 Post subject: |
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I tried getting into it again with a different mindset, and.... nah. Writing isn't grabbing me.
I think I MIGHT enjoy reading this game if the dialogues were interesting and novel - and by that I don't mean the writer using all the words in his online thesaurus - but rather conveying something interesting in an effective and rhetorical manner.
Much like Torment, it's full of superfluous text with zero purpose - unless you enjoy padding for the sake of padding.
I quite like what little I know of the plot, but reading the game is putting me to sleep.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 10:34 Post subject: |
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As i said before i don't know what you guys where expecting i can only assume you never really played PS:T cause they delivered exactly what fans of that game wanted.
Seriously if you don't enjoy reading a massive amount of very colorful writing stay away.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 10:44 Post subject: |
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What does it matter what we expected?
We're saying how we feel about the game as it is now.
This place is full of people whining about trivialities like player models looking less than ideal for games that aren't even released yet - and you have a problem with people saying they don't particularly enjoy the writing in this game?
I mean, if people around here all started to talk exclusively about things they liked - we'd be hearing crickets all day long.
If you must have support from everyone when it comes to what you personally enjoy, I can only recommend growing up a bit.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 10:48 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | What does it matter what we expected?
We're saying how we feel about the game as it is now.
This place is full of people whining about trivialities like player models looking less than ideal for games that aren't even released yet - and you have a problem with people saying they don't particularly enjoy the writing in this game?
I mean, if people around here all started to talk exclusively about things they liked - we'd be hearing crickets all day long.
If you must have support from everyone when it comes to what you personally enjoy, I can only recommend growing up a bit. |
I'm plenty grown up thank you, i'm just saying it was plenty clear what this game would be and wouldn't be so if you you didn't like PS:T chances are you won't like this either.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 10:53 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: | | Casus wrote: | What does it matter what we expected?
We're saying how we feel about the game as it is now.
This place is full of people whining about trivialities like player models looking less than ideal for games that aren't even released yet - and you have a problem with people saying they don't particularly enjoy the writing in this game?
I mean, if people around here all started to talk exclusively about things they liked - we'd be hearing crickets all day long.
If you must have support from everyone when it comes to what you personally enjoy, I can only recommend growing up a bit. |
I'm plenty grown up thank you, i'm just saying it was plenty clear what this game would be and wouldn't be so if you you didn't like PS:T chances are you won't like this either. |
I had absolutely no idea what the quality of the writing was - how would I?
All I knew was that it was supposed to be a Torment-like game with turn-based combat.
I didn't expect anything, but I was hoping the combat might be better than Torment - and that the writing was great. Neither is true.
You all know EXACTLY what to expect from Bioware games - but that sure isn't holding anyone back from whining ENDLESSLY about "romances" and quirky models what not.
I'm confused why you're not having a problem with that as well?
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 11:21 Post subject: |
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| Casus wrote: | | I didn't expect anything, but I was hoping the combat might be better than Torment - and that the writing was great. Neither is true. |
Which is subjective i enjoy the writing very much and think it's not far off from the original and the combat is at least an improvement over the clusterfuck of the original not that it really matters in a game where most of the best solutions involve no combat at all.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 11:31 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: | | Casus wrote: | | I didn't expect anything, but I was hoping the combat might be better than Torment - and that the writing was great. Neither is true. |
Which is subjective i enjoy the writing very much and think it's not far off from the original and the combat is at least an improvement over the clusterfuck of the original not that it really matters in a game where most of the best solutions involve no combat at all. |
Yeah, and that's cool.
I'm glad for the people who enjoy it.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 12:43 Post subject: |
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@casus I think your on point and feel the same way. I was looking forward to this game and was an early backer myself but this is just not grabbing me at all. It's going as far as two paragraphs at a time just to describe a look or emotion of unimportant npc's.. it's just overkill for me, I've replayed classic infinity engine games over and over and over this it just a whole different level.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 12:50 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | @casus I think your on point and feel the same way. I was looking forward to this game and was an early backer myself but this is just not grabbing me at all. It's going as far as two paragraphs at a time just to describe a look or emotion of unimportant npc's.. it's just overkill for me, I've replayed classic infinity engine games over and over and over this it just a whole different level. |
Yeah, I can appreciate that some people think that kind of writing is "quality" - and maybe it is.
To me, it's excessive and takes me out of the experience rather than immersing me into it.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 13:20 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: | As i said before i don't know what you guys where expecting i can only assume you never really played PS:T cause they delivered exactly what fans of that game wanted.
Seriously if you don't enjoy reading a massive amount of very colorful writing stay away. |
That's the same bullshit argument as the one Morpheus made - yes I have played PS:T and I loved it and yes it had a lot of text and I enjoyed that too because the writing was excellent and the characters very interesting.
I think the thesaurus argument Casus made is very accurate - that's how it felt to me as well - the writer trying too hard. It really DOES feel like fanfiction. If an indie theme tried to capture PS:T in a game of their own, I imagine this is what it would be like. It's kind of the same but less skilfully done and to the critical eye, painfully obvious.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 13:37 Post subject: |
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| red_avatar wrote: | | tet666 wrote: | As i said before i don't know what you guys where expecting i can only assume you never really played PS:T cause they delivered exactly what fans of that game wanted.
Seriously if you don't enjoy reading a massive amount of very colorful writing stay away. |
That's the same bullshit argument as the one Morpheus made - yes I have played PS:T and I loved it and yes it had a lot of text and I enjoyed that too because the writing was excellent and the characters very interesting.
I think the thesaurus argument Casus made is very accurate - that's how it felt to me as well - the writer trying too hard. It really DOES feel like fanfiction. If an indie theme tried to capture PS:T in a game of their own, I imagine this is what it would be like. It's kind of the same but less skilfully done and to the critical eye, painfully obvious. |
Nothing will ever live up to the original that was impossible from the start so you either enjoy the game for what it is a homage to a beloved classic or you don't.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 13:48 Post subject: |
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| red_avatar wrote: | | tet666 wrote: | As i said before i don't know what you guys where expecting i can only assume you never really played PS:T cause they delivered exactly what fans of that game wanted.
Seriously if you don't enjoy reading a massive amount of very colorful writing stay away. |
That's the same bullshit argument as the one Morpheus made - yes I have played PS:T and I loved it and yes it had a lot of text and I enjoyed that too because the writing was excellent and the characters very interesting.
I think the thesaurus argument Casus made is very accurate - that's how it felt to me as well - the writer trying too hard. It really DOES feel like fanfiction. If an indie theme tried to capture PS:T in a game of their own, I imagine this is what it would be like. It's kind of the same but less skilfully done and to the critical eye, painfully obvious. |
My bullshit? I just told you that you should pick up a book once in a while so you'd realise that the writing isn't that out there and is rather common. It sure ain't Twillight, you could have just said like Casus and others that you don't like that style for a game (or a book).
I don't mind it but if it is indeed excessive as Ampeg says it is then I'd probably also have problems with after a short while (only had time for 15/20 mins so far). |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Mar 2017 13:54 Post subject: |
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| Morphineus wrote: |
My bullshit? I just told you that you should pick up a book once in a while so you'd realise that the writing isn't that out there and is rather common. It sure ain't Twillight, you could have just said like Casus and others that you don't like that style for a game.
I don't mind it but if it is indeed excessive as Ampeg says it is then I'd probably also have problems with after a short while (only had time for 15/20 mins so far). |
Both your arguments were based on heavy assumptions that happen to be wrong, hence bullshit. PS:T's writing was way better - so was the writing in Baldur's Gate for that matter. Here it's just over the top to put it lightly.
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Did I use PS:T as an example, did I respond to you mentioning PS:T...? No. Mine was a comment to you acting like that kind of descriptive writing is only used in fanfic or at the level of Twilight. And yeah if you exaggerate like that expect people to assume you don't read much or varied (willing to bet that is what triggered you).
I'm fine if you don't like it, hell even that you find it over the top... but to say that what tet said was my bullshit argument? Nope.
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Mar 2017 18:23 Post subject: |
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I'm with Morphineus on handling a book part. There are major scify and fantasy bestsellers out there with far worse writing than the one present here.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Mar 2017 09:23 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think so too. Besides, metaphors and colorful language are only heavily used during visions/memories and stuff like that. And original Torment very often did that too.
Game has other problems, writing isn't neceseriily one of them.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Mar 2017 11:27 Post subject: |
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That's because people are starting to finish it and yeah ... the ending, while not as bad as a really controversial game 3, that is mostly because of the fact that this one didn't have 2 games of build up. Outside of that, the game itself is fairly mediocre and really not worth it at its price point.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Mar 2017 11:39 Post subject: |
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well that escalated quickly  generally its in vain "Not as good as legendary PS:T" , "bad combat and little action", "Too much text" or "i expected too much"
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Mar 2017 23:45 Post subject: |
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| lolozaur wrote: | only AA as a video option or im missing something hidden?  game looks way worse than the trailers
and sweetfx doesnt work for me  |
Haha yeah, I've managed to get it working (x64 dll + dx9), but it was quite the pointless feat because neither SMAA nor FXAA function in-game - only the text is affected, which is the worst possible outcome xD. Using old SweetFX versions like 1.4 or 1.5 gives the same result, so it's some sort of "deal with it" situation, since Nvidia DSR's doesn't seem to be working either for me.
(As for the game itself, I've just left the tutorial so it's definitely too early to tell. *Fingers crossed*) |
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Mar 2017 10:02 Post subject: |
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As I play mostly at night (little kids) this game with all the reading makes me very sleepy....
But the game is not bad its just me...
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Mar 2017 10:46 Post subject: |
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Finished it and i liked it. Wasn't a chore to play, but i always enjoy games that are story driven. I don't understand why people are complaining about the writing since its quite good, so calling it Twilight fanfiction does make me wonder what kind of books you people are reading?
What i disliked:
Beginning of the game, because it bombard you with words that have no meaning to you (a Tyranny system wouldn't be a bad idea). I guess its somehow thematic, since you're just "born". Still its kinda hard to get into and even in between there are references to events and stuff you cannot possibly remember. Hardest part was going past the first 2 hours for me.
Combat is meh, but to be honest i didn't really bother with combat that much, so can't totally criticize it, but i found it very lackluster.
The game is too short for the story to really pick off. It took me 26 hours to finish (i missed a quest so let's say 30 hours if you do everything) which length wise is fine, but since you're thrown into an already developed story its kinda hard to... care about some of the things and people because of it.
The ending... not that i dislike the story, which i found quite interesting, but the "Chose your ending" always pisses me off a bit. Especially since they use it as exposition, something they could have done through the game. "Oh now you're at the end, here's the stuff you were wondering about explained".
I thought the "tides" were going kinda give you an ending but nope... to be honest i still don't understand what the tides do anyway...
I'm happy that they at least end the story (unlike Tyranny), since i can't stand cliffhangers and the whole "wait for part 2"
In conclusion since i was an early backer i paid 20 dollars which i think is fine. I would never pay 45 euros for it though.
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Mar 2017 11:13 Post subject: |
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| xxax wrote: | What i disliked: Beginning of the game, because it bombard you with words that have no meaning to you (a Tyranny system wouldn't be a bad idea). I guess its somehow thematic, since you're just "born". Still its kinda hard to get into and even in between there are references to events and stuff you cannot possibly remember. Hardest part was going past the first 2 hours for me.
I thought the "tides" were going kinda give you an ending but nope... to be honest i still don't understand what the tides do anyway...
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Must admit and pillars did this too, bombarding me with made up words, deities, religions etc. absolutely ruins a game for me. I always compare these games to Baldurs gate, finding BG 90% of the dialog, quests / short stories are easy to follow and make sense (maybe even being cliche at times).
Animancy, faith, hollowborn and the theology of souls, 10x different dieties with hours and hours of backstory (i can't remember a single one after 2 full play-throughs)... at times it gets so fucking confusing you get to the end of the game "what are hollowborn again? was he a god? are gods real?..."
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