If AMD put more efforts into cooperating with motherboard/RAM manufacturers and Microsoft, the release would have looked much better.
But maybe that only is important to me.
I think everyone would prefer that
To me it just means that it'll take some more time to be sure what the hell we have here. Sucks if you want to switch now of course.
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And yes i know that Intel already has CPUs with 8+ cores. But those are not relevant to gaming at all. At least not for their moon prices.
But why do you think that intel could just provide us with better ryzen competitors then? I mean they can most likely do better than they currently do, since those moon prices are surely a bit inflated
And yes i know that Intel already has CPUs with 8+ cores. But those are not relevant to gaming at all. At least not for their moon prices.
But why do you think that intel could just provide us with better ryzen competitors then? I mean they can most likely do better than they currently do, since those moon prices are surely a bit inflated
Because so far Intel had no need to put some innovation into their new generation CPUs since the last years.
Basically said they just need to increase the clock frequency every year a bit and people would still buy the new cores in hordes.
I'm pretty sure that Intel is more than able to also release 6/8 cores (+ Hyperthreading) to similar prices as the new Ryzens.
But like i said: they had no reason for that so far.
Well, after a couple of days with this new chip I can say I'm quite happy with my purchase. But being the miser I am, I still wish it were cheaper than 450€.
Do you "feel" any difference from what you had before?
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Do you "feel" any difference from what you had before?
I do, in BF1 I don't get the random FPS drops I did with the 8350@4,5Ghz (I could even up the graphics and it still holds a steady 90FPS).
With this CPU and now 16GB of memory I can easily run my linux virtual machines which I stopped doing since it was a drag before.
Thanks for the info. I'm still saving up a bit, but wil eventually get to buying it aswell. Though probably a 1700 with some not to expensive board that gets good reviews for OCing.
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der8auer delidded a 1700, looks like they're actually soldered so it took three attempts and it's not really worth it but it's interesting to see the actual processor and such under the shroud.
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We mentioned in our reviews that you should not delid AMD Ryzen processors for the sheer fact that even the heatspreader has sensors and that it is soldered. Next to that AMD did the cooling part rather well so the benefits of a lower temperatures versus the risk of bricking that processor might not be worth it.
Well, that thesis has been confirmed, pro-overclocker der8auer took a Ryzen 7 1700 (well actually multiple of them) and delidded Ryzen 7 to see what was hiding behind the Integrated Heatspreader (IHS). It took der8auer multiple attemempts to get a succesful delidded processor. To be more precise, it actually it took him three processors hence we can already conclude that the process is very risky.
In the end he succeeded though, in the photos below (clock thumbnails) you can see a Ryzen 7 1700 CPU delidded. You will notice a solder layer that ties directly to the IHS. Looking att he processor you can see multiple capacitors, all nicely covered by some sort of silicon layer, so AMD certainly went all the way here.
So what weas the end-reult delidding and cooling ? Well, der8auer shows it in a video, but the he achieved a drop of 2 degrees C lower on overall temperatures with a cooler sitting directly on top of the processor die. In short, and what we have been saying. Please do not delid the processor guys, chances are high you'll damage it and the temperature drop certainly doiesn't justify you bricking the processor or loosing warranty.
Nice test here, someone disabled cores from 1800X and clocked it to 4Ghz (7700K is also clocked to the same 4Ghz), so it can simulate 1400x performance (4 core / 8 threads a.k.a i7). Results are amazing, 1400X will be insane value for money.
The question is whether the 1400X will be able OC better due to having only 4 cores. Amazing value indeed.
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Jesus this thing is supposed to cost 199 dollars, so like 249 euros, but yeah, will be interesting to see will it overclock more than 8 core / 16 thread big brothers.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
der8auer delidded a 1700, looks like they're actually soldered so it took three attempts and it's not really worth it but it's interesting to see the actual processor and such under the shroud.
Quote:
We mentioned in our reviews that you should not delid AMD Ryzen processors for the sheer fact that even the heatspreader has sensors and that it is soldered. Next to that AMD did the cooling part rather well so the benefits of a lower temperatures versus the risk of bricking that processor might not be worth it.
Well, that thesis has been confirmed, pro-overclocker der8auer took a Ryzen 7 1700 (well actually multiple of them) and delidded Ryzen 7 to see what was hiding behind the Integrated Heatspreader (IHS). It took der8auer multiple attemempts to get a succesful delidded processor. To be more precise, it actually it took him three processors hence we can already conclude that the process is very risky.
In the end he succeeded though, in the photos below (clock thumbnails) you can see a Ryzen 7 1700 CPU delidded. You will notice a solder layer that ties directly to the IHS. Looking att he processor you can see multiple capacitors, all nicely covered by some sort of silicon layer, so AMD certainly went all the way here.
So what weas the end-reult delidding and cooling ? Well, der8auer shows it in a video, but the he achieved a drop of 2 degrees C lower on overall temperatures with a cooler sitting directly on top of the processor die. In short, and what we have been saying. Please do not delid the processor guys, chances are high you'll damage it and the temperature drop certainly doiesn't justify you bricking the processor or loosing warranty.
Saw the video yesterday.
I guess that means overclocking Ryzens is not limited by temps at least.
I wonder if the R5 series will overclock much better than the R7 because of the lower cores.
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We have investigated reports alleging incorrect thread scheduling on the AMD Ryzen™ processor. Based on our findings, AMD believes that the Windows® 10 thread scheduler is operating properly for “Zen,” and we do not presently believe there is an issue with the scheduler adversely utilizing the logical and physical configurations of the architecture.
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Finally, we have reviewed the limited available evidence concerning performance deltas between Windows® 7 and Windows® 10 on the AMD Ryzen™ CPU. We do not believe there is an issue with scheduling differences between the two versions of Windows. Any differences in performance can be more likely attributed to software architecture differences between these OSes.
AMD Ryzen 7 have a Temperature 20 Degree C Reporting Offset
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Alright, in the same blog post as mentioned in the previous item AMD also talks about a Temperature Reporting Offset. This one was new to us, but basically what they claim is the following. To keep a "consistent fan policy," AMD is forcing 20C offset on the Ryzen 1700X and 1800X processors. This makes them report temperature a good 20C above what the sensor reads.
more like they force the ryzens to report a higher value to make people not oc it higher and making xfr working (xfr is reading the real result and not the one + offset). that doesnt make sense
I understood that XFR reads the real temp to auto OC and the CPU reports 20° more so that the fan kicks in before the CPU gets too hot through XFR.
The idea is that the Fan is already running so XFR doesnt suddenly cause an overheat.
Not the most subtle solution.
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@Lathieza
Looking at the clocks it really seems as the R5 series is just as the R7 but with disabled cores.
Which in return means it will probably be not as good for overclocking as their bigger brothers. Meh.
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