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HIz
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | This animation hate bandwagon is getting terribly boring.
Is there NOTHING else we can "hate" about this game except those shit animations? What about story, gameplay, performance, the world, level design... you know... all that fucking irrelevant shit... |
+1...is like this is the only thing that matters...and if it wasn't that, it would have been the dick size of some character.....always something to hate nowadays...smh
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 15:53 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | This animation hate bandwagon is getting terribly boring.
Is there NOTHING else we can "hate" about this game except those shit animations? What about story, gameplay, performance, the world, level design... you know... all that fucking irrelevant shit... |
You face seems tired.. because of.. everything.
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 15:58 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | This animation hate bandwagon is getting terribly boring.
Is there NOTHING else we can "hate" about this game except those shit animations? What about story, gameplay, performance, the world, level design... you know... all that fucking irrelevant shit... |
You mean the other things people complain about? Like the combat and its terrible cover system, the one liner dialogues or the core component of the gameplay: the scanner?
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:02 Post subject: |
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| HIz wrote: | | blackeyedboy wrote: | This animation hate bandwagon is getting terribly boring.
Is there NOTHING else we can "hate" about this game except those shit animations? What about story, gameplay, performance, the world, level design... you know... all that fucking irrelevant shit... |
+1...is like this is the only thing that matters...and if it wasn't that, it would have been the dick size of some character.....always something to hate nowadays...smh |
Yeah! Fuck the haters. Let's get some positivity in here!
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:09 Post subject: |
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There's always the ME subreddit or NeoGAF for those of you needing to justify your pre-orders.
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VonMises
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:21 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | This animation hate bandwagon is getting terribly boring.
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I concur. Crappy animations are the least of its problems. I mean, just look at the grotesque character design, infantile dialogues, overplayed cliche plot and the omnipresent SJW agenda (which can already be seen during the character creation). All of this makes MEA look like a badly directed, low budget sitcom for american teenagers, something akin to Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:23 Post subject: |
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I think I finally understand what's going on here, and I'm sorry I didn't notice it before.
It's one of 2 things - Pre-Order Blues, or Minority Complex Syndrome.
We know about Preorder justification defense mode, so we don't need to discuss that.
Minority Complex Syndrome is more serious. It is when a person feel they must stick up for the minority, and will adjust their own interpretation of the reasons there IS a minority, in order to justify their arguments.
It's actually very similar to the SJW epidemic we're currently experiencing. They look at a game, look at the overwhelmingly negative response to it. They then decide there must be a reason people are hating on it, and that BECAUSE they hate it, it's actually just misunderstood, and people simply haven't given it a chance.
Their mindset becomes fixed on defending it in spite of evidence supporting the issues that are continually brought up. And, the most important tool in the MCS sufferer's arsenal, is the ability to post passive-aggressive replies, and single out those who have the most negative things to say about it.
It's commonplace in most game forums - Star Citizen, Frontier, WoW... etc etc. Any time a game doesn't live up to expectations or publisher-generated hype, you will get those who feel it is their duty to defend it, regardless of just how bad it is.
Even NMS has these people, despite the overwhelming negative reviews surrounding it.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:38 Post subject: |
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So asking a sincere question about OTHER features of the game (and declaring an over-popular / already accepted idea as 'boring') equals defending the game or - even - is, God forbid, synonymous to being "against" the NFO-train?
I've been working all week and had not the time to check on proper previews, ffs... !
EDIT
Like many others, due to the lack of time, sometimes I just visit the forum for just a few minutes, just to get a quick 'fix' of the "news".
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:45 Post subject: |
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I decided to try it myself and after a few hours I can say there are some things I like about it and some I dislike quite a bit.
I generally like the combat. The cover system is a pain in the ass, but I think it's 50% of bad design and 50% of the need to get used to it. I did, after an hour or two, and it became only 50% of fail  I still creates problems on occasion, but despite that I'm having some fun shooting and blasting stuff around and the enhanced mobility is really great.
The content also seems a step up from Inqusition. I know that's not saying much, but still - there are definitely more interesting quests in Andromeda than there were in that game, so at the very least it shouldn't be such a drag to play.
The writing in general - during most dialogues and concerning main storyline - ranges from bad to mediocre. Nothing more to say on that so far, but usually it’s not that far from your typical Bioware game nowadays. It does sometimes make you cringe - like when characters do stuff out of the blue, or don't care for things they should, or drop a really bad line or two. But other times it seems a bit better and even evokes an emotion or two. The fact that storytelling is surprisingly weak doesn't help matters either. Characters and story points are introduced in really wrong ways, everything seems to be in a real rush to get things going, but in the end falls flat because of not enough build-up or exposition. That's the first few hours, at least.
The real problem, however, is the characters. They're just bad  This is sadly what makes or breakes Bioware games for me and it seems it’s one of the weakest parts of Andromeda. The only somewhat interesting (but still badly introduced) character already died. The rest is just… well, boring. There’s literally NOTHING interesting or fun about Cora and Liam. The one hope is that the first characters you meet in ME games were never very good, so maybe, MAYBE it’ll get a little bit better later on, but what I saw of Pee Bee doesn't give me much hope.
I’m also not a fan of what they did with the twins. I mean, what’s the point of having two possible main characters, if, upon choosing one of them, the other gets imprisoned in stasis? There was a lot of interesting themes that could’ve been explored, like sibling rivalry, love, attachment and so on. But as it is, it’s pretty much indistinguishable from having one Shepard you can shape however you like. Wasted potential is what it is.
Most of the time the animations really aren’t that bad outside of some occasional glitches and maybe jetpack jumping which also doesn’t look very good. But sometimes it can really hit you with something horribly weird, like a character walking so unnaturally it breaks immersion in an instant. For example, there's a particular scene when Cora walks away in the middle of a dialogue and her walking is just... it's really cringe and facepalm worthy. It's mindboggling, because even your own character doesn't walk like that. Faces are also weird. Some, like the Ryder family, look completely fine to me. Not the best out there, but good enough. Others are VERY hit and miss and the funny thing is it affects both unimportant NPCs and parts of the main cast. Aformentioned Cora, for example, looks absolutely horrible. She seems to be constantly arching her eyebrows and her face looks emotionless… Like an ever-surprised rubber doll (well, who knows, maybe that was the intention ). At times the game seems like it was stitched together using two completely different pools of assets - one visibly newer, with more budget behind it.
All in all, it’s a very troubled game, but there might be some enjoyment hidden there, assuming characters and main plot don’t fall completely flat. Which I'm not sure of, to be honest.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:46 Post subject: |
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Bit silly to complain on people complaining because they don't complain about what you deem is acceptable to be complaining about.
Not that anyone of us is free from that though. 
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:49 Post subject: |
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And to thing I considered buying this full price...
@Aquma
Thanks, that was a helping post! 
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:55 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | I think I finally understand what's going on here, and I'm sorry I didn't notice it before.
It's one of 2 things - Pre-Order Blues, or Minority Complex Syndrome.
We know about Preorder justification defense mode, so we don't need to discuss that.
Minority Complex Syndrome is more serious. It is when a person feel they must stick up for the minority, and will adjust their own interpretation of the reasons there IS a minority, in order to justify their arguments.
It's actually very similar to the SJW epidemic we're currently experiencing. They look at a game, look at the overwhelmingly negative response to it. They then decide there must be a reason people are hating on it, and that BECAUSE they hate it, it's actually just misunderstood, and people simply haven't given it a chance.
Their mindset becomes fixed on defending it in spite of evidence supporting the issues that are continually brought up. And, the most important tool in the MCS sufferer's arsenal, is the ability to post passive-aggressive replies, and single out those who have the most negative things to say about it.
It's commonplace in most game forums - Star Citizen, Frontier, WoW... etc etc. Any time a game doesn't live up to expectations or publisher-generated hype, you will get those who feel it is their duty to defend it, regardless of just how bad it is.
Even NMS has these people, despite the overwhelming negative reviews surrounding it. |
Faults are there. I'm not denying any of it. It's just that people didn't give this much of a shit at any point before.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:56 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | I think I finally understand what's going on here, and I'm sorry I didn't notice it before.
It's one of 2 things - Pre-Order Blues, or Minority Complex Syndrome.
We know about Preorder justification defense mode, so we don't need to discuss that.
Minority Complex Syndrome is more serious. It is when a person feel they must stick up for the minority, and will adjust their own interpretation of the reasons there IS a minority, in order to justify their arguments.
It's actually very similar to the SJW epidemic we're currently experiencing. They look at a game, look at the overwhelmingly negative response to it. They then decide there must be a reason people are hating on it, and that BECAUSE they hate it, it's actually just misunderstood, and people simply haven't given it a chance.
Their mindset becomes fixed on defending it in spite of evidence supporting the issues that are continually brought up. And, the most important tool in the MCS sufferer's arsenal, is the ability to post passive-aggressive replies, and single out those who have the most negative things to say about it.
It's commonplace in most game forums - Star Citizen, Frontier, WoW... etc etc. Any time a game doesn't live up to expectations or publisher-generated hype, you will get those who feel it is their duty to defend it, regardless of just how bad it is.
Even NMS has these people, despite the overwhelming negative reviews surrounding it. |
There is another way simpler explanation sometimes people just have very shit taste and act asinine on top of it.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 17:08 Post subject: |
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| Aquma wrote: | | At times the game seems like it was stiched together using two completely different pools of assets - one visibly newer, with more budget behind it. |
It seems certain that The Witcher 3 had an effect. Remember when early previews of DAI came out that Bioware were talking up their "ambient conversation" bullshit and how it was going to become a central pillar in their future games. If MEA was originally heavily built around ambient conversations instead of traditional cutscenes/close up dialogue, that would explain the relatively low detail nature and minimal facial animation of a lot of NPCs. You wouldn't need super high fidelity when the camera is set 10 feet away from them. I'm guessing that after TW3 hit though there was a big push for a lot more NPC interactivity of the cinematic type, but they lacked enough time/resources/talent to deal with it.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 17:56 Post subject: |
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Well ... as I was not able to finish DA:I until today and still not recovered from ME3 I think I'll skip this one :/
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HIz
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 17:59 Post subject: |
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Nice man ! Have fun playing 
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. 
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 18:13 Post subject: |
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Let's just agree this game is the shit.
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The animations have been bashed enough already. They really break the immersion because the rest of the game looks really good. Can't complain about the sound either.
