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Nodrim
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It's playable Bob. I'm a m&k purist and I'm pulling through. The pod shooting can be weird and the over the top bullet hell areas are harder, but I've managed so far. Note, that I'm not defending the porting problems.
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 19:47 Post subject: |
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@Nodrim
I watched a video some days ago where someone was playing with mouse + keyboard.
And the sections you mentioned (sidescroller bullethell) didn't look like fun at all with that combo.
I'm not sure if it's even possible to make the controls work better without using a gamepad.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 20:01 Post subject: |
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This is not a mouse/kb game, it just isn't. It's designed to be played with a gamepad, and there is nothing wrong or unholy about that.
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 20:01 Post subject: |
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You'll adapt and make it work. You'll never play better than with a controller.
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 20:13 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | | This is not a mouse/kb game, it just isn't. It's designed to be played with a gamepad, and there is nothing wrong or unholy about that. |
It's not a proper port period. There is no such thing as "not a mouse\kb game". There are piss-poor developers who don't know jackshit about PC and in this particular case didn't even care. All they cared about is delaying it for new crapnuvo
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 21:14 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | | This is not a mouse/kb game, it just isn't. It's designed to be played with a gamepad, and there is nothing wrong or unholy about that. |
There is no excuse for not having the mouse aiming work for the twin-stick shooter phases. No fuckin excuse!
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 21:22 Post subject: |
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| Nodrim wrote: | | Kaltern wrote: | | This is not a mouse/kb game, it just isn't. It's designed to be played with a gamepad, and there is nothing wrong or unholy about that. |
There is no excuse for not having the mouse aiming work for the twin-stick shooter phases. No fuckin excuse! |
Is it not working at all there, or just bad?
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 22:01 Post subject: |
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I think people's fixation on mose/kb having to work on EVERY SINGLE GAME on the PC is quite rightly giving the PC userbase a reputation of being dicks. I mean, come on, I hear people complain that DRIVING games don't work well with mouse/kb. Flight sims apparently must work with Mouse as an option to fly. Even fighting games supposedly must be redesigned to work with keyboard.
While it's true that for FPS games, Mouse/kb is probably unbeatable.. that's the only game that REALLY needs it. This just sounds to me like people don't think they should have to buy a gamepad just to play a game.. which I think is a ridiculous argument.
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prudislav
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 22:10 Post subject: |
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WTF is there with all this controls discussion :-O
| Kaltern wrote: | I think people's fixation on mose/kb having to work on EVERY SINGLE GAME on the PC is quite rightly giving the PC userbase a reputation of being dicks.
This just sounds to me like people don't think they should have to buy a gamepad just to play a game.. which I think is a ridiculous argument. |
sure game not working on STANDARD control method of a Device (aka everyone who owns the device ) means the userbase of the device are dick?????
Like what the fuck ... thats like console game not working on gamepad or VR game not working with VR gogless
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prudislav
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 22:13 Post subject: |
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| Nodrim wrote: | | There is no excuse for not having the mouse aiming work for the twin-stick shooter phases. No fuckin excuse! |
from what i saw .. the biggest problem for controls is that the game changes the genres quite frequently and all genres use same controls scheme for all the genres without explanations of what which button does in which genre
.... and making separate scheme for each genre might be quite hardcore job to do .
Altghout they should at least add the option to rebind evade from doubleclicks
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Shinin
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 22:31 Post subject: |
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| prudislav wrote: | WTF is there with all this controls discussion :-O
| Kaltern wrote: | I think people's fixation on mose/kb having to work on EVERY SINGLE GAME on the PC is quite rightly giving the PC userbase a reputation of being dicks.
This just sounds to me like people don't think they should have to buy a gamepad just to play a game.. which I think is a ridiculous argument. |
sure game not working on STANDARD control method of a Device (aka everyone who owns the device ) means the userbase of the device are dick?????
Like what the fuck ... thats like console game not working on gamepad or VR game not working with VR gogless |
I started typing at least 3 different replies to this... but I just can't do it. Correct tools for correct purpose. Why should game developers shoehorn a crap control system ino to a game just to please keyboard warriors? When a game would work WELL for a game, such as BF, CoD, Fallout etc etc, then of course they should make the effort - it makes sense, and when you can't rebind keys etc, that's sloppy coding.
But when a game simply wouldn't make sense to try and make a keyboard/mouse work - LIKE THIS GAME - then I don't understand why devs get flak for not including it. They make enough errors, like crap porting in general, and not taking time to ensure the PC versions work as well as is possible.
I mean, I bet you're the sort of person who think FIFA should only be played with mouse/keyboard....
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prudislav
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 22:41 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | | I started typing at least 3 different replies to this... but I just can't do it. |
trie again ... its the same flame/rand as before just in different words without ever replying to what i said .... rest is not really worth to reply as it has nothing to do with what i said
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 22:49 Post subject: |
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2017 23:04 Post subject: |
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| Bob Barnsen wrote: | | Nodrim wrote: | | Kaltern wrote: | | This is not a mouse/kb game, it just isn't. It's designed to be played with a gamepad, and there is nothing wrong or unholy about that. |
There is no excuse for not having the mouse aiming work for the twin-stick shooter phases. No fuckin excuse! |
Is it not working at all there, or just bad? |
It's bad, basically when you are in the over the top camera you have 8 angles to shoot from. Between the double taping dodge and this aiming problem, Normal is the highest difficulty attainable for m&k users.
I've been playing this game for 10 hours and I'm so torn because I want to continue to see the story unfolding but I also want to play Battlegrounds. Damn first world problems!
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demde
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 08:55 Post subject: |
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| prudislav wrote: | WTF is there with all this controls discussion :-O
| Kaltern wrote: | I think people's fixation on mose/kb having to work on EVERY SINGLE GAME on the PC is quite rightly giving the PC userbase a reputation of being dicks.
This just sounds to me like people don't think they should have to buy a gamepad just to play a game.. which I think is a ridiculous argument. |
sure game not working on STANDARD control method of a Device (aka everyone who owns the device ) means the userbase of the device are dick?????
Like what the fuck ... thats like console game not working on gamepad or VR game not working with VR gogless |
Standard? There is no standard on pc. You can use m kb to control media/games or controller for some games or whatever. When You buy pc parts, they do not obligatory come with mouse and keyboard. When You buy windows, again it does not come with mouse ans keyboard!
Gamepad is cheaper than mouse and keyboard, is made for playing games and just use it for when its better option than mouse and keyboard. Or are some people to stubborn? Its not difficult to use except fps games(for me it was always easy and comfy and I never understood the difficulty even though ive used pc only for 10 years before 360 in 2007. In fact mouse is much harder to lern). You have all buttons in one place and nice analog movement.
I could have the same right to be mad that controler is not supported in every game but mouse and keyboard is...
Again - last 20 years I am playing games on pc mostly with m kb. But in recent years games have benen made for controlera in mind and I really prefer using controllera in most aaa games releasing today.
In nier m kb combo IS supported and there is a lot of options for configuring it. I think its much better than darks souls did at launch. Although some fucking idiots still played it with keyboard.
To say the truth deva cpud make it wheel only if they wanted and it would be legitimate product...
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 09:00 Post subject: |
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@KillerCrocker | Quote: | | There is no standard on pc |
| Quote: | | I think its much better than darks souls did at launch. |
I'm sorry but when was DS1 released?
It is much worse than Dark Souls 3 that plays even better with KB+mouse than with a controller.
| Quote: | | But in recent years games |
Yup. Dumbed down AI, auto aiming, aiming assist etc etc etc .. so that you can lie comfortably on your couch and be relaxed (c) 
| Quote: | | Although some fucking idiots still played it with keyboard. |
These idiots made fixes as per PC community tradition and the game played fine then.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 09:12 Post subject: |
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Oh boy.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 09:14 Post subject: |
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Ds3 better with m kb?
For me its better with controller. Its subjective.
Dumbed down games? Yes. But that is not reason for different controls.
I played and finished fear and hl2 on 360 after finishing both many times on pc and it was just fine. I played on the same difficulty and enemies were same as on pc. I also had fun and did not had problems with dying more.
Those versions were subpar to pc in almost every way and I prefer it on pc anyway but it was a good test and fun to play anyway.
But I also finished re4 and dmc3 on pc with just keyboard. It was a huge problem but i enjoyed and somehow finished those bad ports. It was before 360 came out.
It may also come down to controller style. I hate ps3 and 4 pads. But i just love the feel of 360 pad. Its so ergonomic to me. Even xbone is worse.
So I can see that if You are not comfy with any of those, it might be a problem. I even dont ike steam monstrosity controller for games.
If i did not liked 360 pad as I do, i woud also have huge probem with some games on pc like some of You guys do.
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russ80
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 09:33 Post subject: |
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Not really sure how anyone can think playing a game like dark souls or this would feel more natural via a kb/m no matter how good the control implementation is.
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 12:43 Post subject: |
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| tet666 wrote: | | Kaltern wrote: | | There is nothing wrong with the game, or at least I've had no issues whatsoever. If there are problems, it can only be down to the PC itself, old parts, issues with Windows.. I don't know, but on my system it works 100% perfectly. |
Looking at your specs that that mostly means your PC is good enough to brute force at least 60 fps 
Just look at what most people buying this are running they have way lower specs, most people don't buy 600€ gfx cards for example. |
Hmm I guess you're right at that... sometimes I forget I don't have a 970 anymore... I wonder what the lowest card that will run this at 60fps is?
And don't forget, PS4's, for example, have a GPU similar to a 750ti card, more or less anyway. So any PC owner with a card of equal power or less is definitely going to struggle with any game released right now. When the Pro and the 'better' version of the Xbox come out and become mainstream, I imagine that bar is going to raise even more too.
At this point, I would expect anyone who wants to play PC games at a reasonable level, would have a 1060 or a similar equivalent card - otherwise they'll never be able to play these excellently optimised ports
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 14:05 Post subject: |
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This game is a piece of shit. It's still fun. I did it again. Did a bunch of side quests and ot another side quest about eating a fucking mackerel. Yes, you die on the spot. What the hell is the point?
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2017 15:08 Post subject: |
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if youre playing with controller (GOD FORBID) and got issues with the "borderless windows" tool try this one: https://github.com/Codeusa/Borderless-Gaming/releases/tag/8.4
Helped me cuz it kept switching to keyboard controlscheme (icons etc.) with the other one.
Love this game.
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On PS4 this is done with the touchpad.
Just the usual "my toy is better than your toy"flamewar again 
