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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Fri, 17th Mar 2017 16:40    Post subject:
That and some of the settings used in newer games are a bit much even for current top-end GPU's and the game engine itself at that which tanks performance and causes issues such as stuttering. Smile

I'm not that good at the underlying tech behind much of this but some games just aren't very well optimized or thought out when it comes to the highest settings although it usually does provide some improvement to overall visual quality though there's usually a hefty performance hit.


MSAA for example isn't too hot with deferred rendering and now with games being so reliant on shaders and things like transparency it doesn't do all that much so while Deus Ex Mankind Divided provides the option for 2x, 4x or even 8x MSAA it's not going to be very effective so it might be better to just use temporal AA and downsampling might end up being faster and more effective, both together might offset the blur introduced by TAA too.
(Overriding the MSAA into SGSSAA if possible would be one alternative though, still demanding but it resolves the issues with MSAA if there's a usable compatibility flag.)
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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Mar 2017 10:58    Post subject:
For me SMAA and Temporal AA has made MSAA useless, in fact, i haven´t used MSAA for years, its just way too demanding, and its quality over good SMAA or temporal AA is non-existant or marginal as its best.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Mar 2017 16:44    Post subject:
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti gets overclocked to record 3GHz
New frequency record thanks to LN2 cooling and a modified PCB

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Records are meant to be broken, and when there is a new product on the market like the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, it can happen rather frequently. Consider that only a week ago renowned overclocker Kingpin pushed a GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition graphics card to 2.5GHz. That was impressive, albeit comparatively pedestrian to the 3GHz overclock he just achieved on the same card.

Using LN2 cooling alone was not enough to bump the GPU up an additional 500MHz. To reach 3GHz (3,024MHz, to be precise), Kingpin modified the card's printed circuit board (PCB) so that he could bypass the voltage locks, WCCFTech reports. He then was able to go the extra distance.

At 3GHz, the card's pixel fillrate jumped to 229.3 GPixel/s and its texture fillrate hit 583.7 GTexel/s.

This is another testament to the high-end PCB featured on the Founders Edition variant. Of course, you won't see these kind of overclocks on air cooled or even water cooled cards. On air you're more likely to reach somewhere in the neighborhood of 2GHz, as we discovered first-hand. Cooling with water might yield slightly higher clocks, though nowhere near 3GHz.

Kingpin's overclock was a straight play for the frequency record, versus his previous overclock in which he set a 3DMark Time Spy record. His 3,024MHz mark now stands at the top among Pascal cards, having edged in front of the previous record holder, a GeForce GTX 1060 card that reached 3,012MHz.

http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-gets-overclocked-to-record-3ghz/



I would like to see actual gaming benchmarks for such extreme overclocking to see how much of a difference it really makes.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Mar 2017 08:06    Post subject:
Anyone heard when the custom TI's will be out in Europe?

I decided against the founder's editions as I don't really trust the cooling in those.

I'll probably go for some of the 3 fan systems with the preclocks in ~1.7k

So far all the shops have very different estimated arrivals for these cards. (next week - end of next month)


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Mar 2017 08:11    Post subject:
Several have been announced and some even have specs available but I don't know when general availability will start for these models.

The 1080 Mem+ models or what to call them are also being revealed now.
(The tweaked version with somewhat faster clocked GDDR5X RAM.)

EDIT:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-gtx-1080-ti-gaming-x-review,1.html

MSI 1080Ti Gaming X review.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/zotac_announces_more_gtx_1080_ti_models.html

Zotac 1080 Ti models.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/galax_geforce_gtx_1080ti_hof_spotted.html

Galaxy 1080Ti HOF showed up in a benchmark.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/gigabyte_going_white_with_the_gtx_1080_ti_gaming_oc.html

Gigabyte 1080 Ti Gaming OC

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/msi_to_release_gaming_x_plus_gtx_1060_and_1080.html

MSI 1060 and 1080 with faster memory.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/asus_as_well_offers_gtx_1060_and_1080_strix_with_faster_memory.html

Asus 1060 and 1080 faster memory.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_aero_makes_an_appearance.html

MSI 1080 Ti Aero

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/gigabyte_gtx_1080_ti_aorus_photo.html

Gigabyte 1080 Ti AORUS

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/colorful_igame_gtx_1080_ti_gets_16_gpu_power_phases.html

Colorful iGame 1080 Ti

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/evga_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_clock_frequencies.html

EVGA 1080 Ti

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/msi_to_release_five_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_graphics_cards_two_with_lcs.html

MSI 1080 Ti

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/manli_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_with_blower_fan.html

Manli 1080 Ti


EDIT:
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/pny_to_release_a_rather_lengthy_geforce_gtx_1080_ti_xlr8_gaming_oc.html

PNY 1080Ti XLR8 Gaming OC
(Long card is long? Razz )

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-review,1.html

Asus ROG Strix 1080 Ti review.


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Mar 2017 08:34    Post subject:
Custom PCB doesn´t seem to bring any improvements to overclocking once again on Pascal, 1080Ti has pretty odd 60c treshold on first small downclock on the core, seems that even those custom cooled ones cannot keep steady clocks. Have now waterblock installed on my 1080TI FE and i can get solid 2050 core overclock and +400 mem without any drops (highest what i have seen is around 55C on my Predator 360 paired with highly overclocked 5820K, which hovers in full gaming load around 50C).
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Mar 2017 09:10    Post subject:
Yeah I've seen a lot of discussion about that, hybrid cooling (Water on the GPU, copper block on the VRAM.) seems preferred due to the way boost 3.0 is very finicky about temperature so maintaining that (And possibly raising power limit via Afterburner 4.4.0 / Rivatuner 7.0,0 beta which supports the Ti.) seems key to holding the 2 Ghz overclock fully stable.

A good air cooler can also work I suppose but dual slot takes a bit more space of course as does the even bigger triple slot designs and ambient temperature and overall cooling efficiency in the case are also important.
(It's not quite the AMD R9 290 with it's "stable" temperature target of 95 degrees but it does look like it will reach some 80 degrees on full load even with a higher fan profile which will mean boost 3.0 kicks in and throttles things a bit.)
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Apr 2017 07:53    Post subject:
Found a store which is offering the non founders edition; 1.7ghz+ boosted cards for 819.

I wonder if it's a pricing mistake, every other place has this for 900+ (all 1.7k+ cards start from ~900 as far as I can find) and they (the seller) even have another store which is selling the same card for 900+.

Anyone got any experiences with Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX 1080Ti Xtreme 11GB GDDR5X Grafikkarte 2xHDMI/3xDP/DVI (Gigabyte brand for GPUs in general - I've always bought Asus or MSI)

edit:
well actually now that I checked again, I found few other stores selling this card for under 900. Few days ago it was still the only place.
edit2:
just being blind Razz the other stores selling 'this' card for under 900 were selling the non extreme edition (clocks down by a bit)


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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Apr 2017 08:35    Post subject:
I would not pay any extra on pascal cards with "extra uber SOC to the max" label, every card overclocks to around 2000mhz(ish) after that it is silicon lottery. Pascal boost is very odd, i can get my FE boost on stock clocks nearly 1900mhz on waterblock, its tied to thermals strictly and every card boosts different (no matter what the box says).
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Apr 2017 09:05    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
I would not pay any extra on pascal cards with "extra uber SOC to the max" label, every card overclocks to around 2000mhz(ish) after that it is silicon lottery. Pascal boost is very odd, i can get my FE boost on stock clocks nearly 1900mhz on waterblock, its tied to thermals strictly and every card boosts different (no matter what the box says).


But there must be a difference... The founders use single fan design, and the custom ones are usually 2-4 fan designs (or water cooled) I can't imagine you could just take a founders edition, turn the oc to 2k and run it as fine as a custom 3 fan design on (also clocked to 2k). With all the auto declocks when some heat thresholds are reached etc.

<- never clocked GPUs.
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Apr 2017 09:42    Post subject:
The cooling is ofcourse better on the bigger heatsink designs, but don´t pay extra for "OC" label on those designs (like some Super overclocks edition). Also for the record, you cannot cool this 1080Ti with any air cooler below 60c (where first thermal downclock happens) unless you crank the fans to the max (Accelero Extreme cooler is just enough for 60c with silent operation, but that you need to install yourself).
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Apr 2017 18:58    Post subject:
Finally the GIGABYTE 11GB D5X GTX 1080 Ti Gaming OC card which i ordered today from one of my favorite stores in Holland is arriving tomorrow. Don't care for the OC but it has a better cooling than the FE and i absolutely wanted to buy a custom card so tomorrow i'll be a happy man i think. Was able to sell my GTX 1080 just in time with hardly any loss just before the FE TI came out. The bad thing was i had to wait more than 2 months after that with just an onboard card on my desktop Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 15:52    Post subject:
https://twitter.com/nvidia/status/849973739051597824

Titan Xp


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The TITAN Xp is here—3840 CUDA, 12 TFLOPs of brute force, and 12 GB of GDDR5X.


https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 16:25    Post subject:
i think pax now needs a new card Razz

but surprised they instantly deliver something to defeat the ti again
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 16:29    Post subject:
As am I but then again this is a Enthusiast grade GPU priced accordingly, those who have the money will probably upgrade though I imagine the performance difference between the 1080Ti, Titan X (pascal) and now Titan Xp (pascal) is probably very minor in most situations outside of specialized benchmark software. Smile

Wouldn't mind having a faster GPU though but budget is actually a concern for once. Very Happy

Will be fun seeing reviews and such just of how fast it'll be although yeah I don't foresee any major performance differences compared to the current Titan X or the 1080Ti but I could be wrong.
(Doubt this will overclock much and Titan's don't usually come in third party models either plus these are ordered directly via Nvidia so they will be pricey.)


EDIT: Will also be nice to see a comparison between the Vega and the 1080 whenever the Vega actually gets released, doubt it'll topple the 1080 but if AMD could compete a bit at least that should make things interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 16:59    Post subject:
Titan xD
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 17:06    Post subject:
What, an another Titan X ? Laughing Man they really give hard time for original Pascal Titan owners lately. So basically this will give Quadro P6000 gaming performance (slightly faster than Titan old X pascal).
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 19:05    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 19:16    Post subject:
Perhaps they sold all original Titan X pascal cards and decided just make new one since they can (titan X was for a long time out of stock).
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 19:16    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
Janz wrote:
i think pax now needs a new card Razz

but surprised they instantly deliver something to defeat the ti again


I am confused.

Is this a "new" Titan XP based on 1080 Ti improvements?


I think this is the full GP200 (Or was it GP100?) Pascal GPU chip as a Titan series card, meaning it's a Pscal GPU without any cuts. Smile

IE it's the GPU chip used by the Quadro Pascal models albeit with GDDR5X memory instead of HBM2 though it's still really fast and unlike the Quadro it's suitable for things like gaming. Very Happy

If it's like the Fury - FuryX difference it's about a 10 - 15% speed bump over the existing Titan X (pascal) GPU model, well at best result, real difference between those two is pretty slim but this could be different, we'll see. Smile
(Probably beating the current 1080Ti stock models though that one might be clocked higher and third party models might allow for higher maintainable boost clock speeds without throttling.)



EDIT:
1080
GP104 chip, 7.2 billion transistors, 2560 cuda cores, 8 GB VRAM

Titan X (pascal) and the 1080 Ti
GP102 chip, 12 billion transistors, 3584 cuda cores, 11 GB VRAM (Well the Titan X has a full 12 GB.)

Titan Xp (pascal)
GP200 chip, 12 billion transistors, 3840 cuda cores, 12 GB VRAM


It's a fully enabled Pascal GPU chip. Smile

But the Titan X (pascal) is sold for 1200 USD/Eur so I can see this costing even more or at least the same.
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 20:57    Post subject:
Facepalm Laughing

derptan derpos, start your engines


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 22:41    Post subject:
Any step-up programs for existing users?

Jeez, talk about dick in a mouth.


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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 23:22    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Apr 2017 23:25    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
Any step-up programs for existing users?

Jeez, talk about dick in a mouth.


Oh so that's why people are calling this the xD.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 09:57    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
Przepraszam wrote:
Any step-up programs for existing users?

Jeez, talk about dick in a mouth.


Well, my current Titan X is only Maxwell based,
so theoretically I'm TWO whole Titan generations behind,
and I just got a new well paying job, so ya... gimme that D pls.

lol wut

But first wait for benchmarks...

EDIT:


There is already benchmarks, check Quadro P6000 gaming benchmarks. Anyway, i would go for 2x 1080Ti which would demolish this card if you are willing to put out 1200 dollars.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 10:34    Post subject:
those cards only have one purpose,prestige to be the fastest single gpu card. and besides that some scientific usage

if people are stupid enough (hi pax Wink) to pay that much money for home using those cards its their fault
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 18:20    Post subject:
since the clockspeeds are kinda low compared to the ti i expect the titan xp to have lots of oc potential

but just because you got a new job and have lots of money to spend -> imho its not reasonable to pay 1300 euros for a fucking gfx card (or 800 for the ti...)
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Apr 2017 18:30    Post subject:
in this case if you even waste 250€ on a mainboard why not going full money wasting and build a own watercooling system? will cost you around 400-500 euros extra for everything you need incl. waterblocks, if you wanna throw out money do it right Wink
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