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Easy peasy.
The hyperbole over what's happening or going to happen to Europe fits well with what most Islamophobic ding-dong's spout and the bigotry coincides well with that.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 15:11 Post subject: |
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The demographics change is based on facts, not hyperbole. I have probably asked this before, but what is your ethnicity?
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 15:17 Post subject: |
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You also "objectively" formulate that as if all muslims belong to a homogenuous mass and are interested in nothing but spreading their religion.. Just because you think that you are not biased, doesn't mean that you are objective 
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 16:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 19:27 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | You also "objectively" formulate that as if all muslims belong to a homogenuous mass and are interested in nothing but spreading their religion.. Just because you think that you are not biased, doesn't mean that you are objective |
I base my statements on historic occurances, on the doctrine that is the Quran and on the current state of race relations in western Europe.
In terms of History, I'll go ahead and make the leap that you're familiar with the violent and expansionstic nature of the muslim collective. I'm sure back then there were many peaceful muslims as well that didn't care about any sort of expansion. But that didn't stop their leaders from taking 15million square kilometers of land betwen 622 and 750, asking everyone to convert or pay a hefty tax (under the threat of decapitation of course) and that won't stop me from calling it for what it is
As a unified force, islam has been trying to take Europe for 1400+ years and a few times they've actually gotten very close. They've held the entirety of Spain for hundreds of years. It took the reconquista 700+ years to full expel all muslim invaders. They've taken Constantinople and made it to the gates of vienna. They've held sicilly for hundreds of years. They've sieged Rome multiple times in the 7th and 9th century. Till about 625 till 1878 and the end of the Russo-Turkish war, which the Russians won, islam has been trying to establish a foothold in Europe by way of conquest. Now they employ a different set of tactics. Perhaps this statement too lacks objectivity since there were groups of muslims between 600 and 1800 that prefered not to expand the religion and stay home.
In terms of source material the Quran is about as awful and violent as any other religion. HOWEVER... the Quran is abit more sophisticated than the bible. Pretty logical considering it came to the party last. Christianity doesn't have a political system, shariah law, an economic system, it's not as detailed as the Quran when it comes to spoils of war, etc. There have been no revisements to the Quran. This is primarliy the same reason you'll never see the enlightment with Muslims as you did with Christians. Their ideology is too well written, too well formulated and doesn't need the add-on constructions, organizations and ranks like we see with Christianity like bishops, cardinals, ministeries and all that none-sense most people don't take seriously. Muslims take the Quran seriously. If it's not written in arabic it's not even legitimate.
So therein lies one of the key problems. since they don't look critically at the Quran and the Quran is literally the word of god, they have to accept it for what it is or live in a conflicted state of mind, philosophically. This is why radical muslims always win over secular muslims. You've seen it in Afghanistan in the 70s, you've seen it with the Egyptian revolution, you've seen it in the Iran revolution of 1978. Even if Assad would lose his war against the rebels he's fighting. I'm sure it would become a radical regime. Radical muslims always win over secular muslims because the radical muslims have one consistant message they always broadcast and that's the word of the Quran. Secular muslims can't seem to substantiate a message, let alone formulate it because they can't come to terms with themselves. They feel like muslims and disagree with soem parts of the Quran but they can't criticize their own faith, since it's the word of god so their stuck. Consistent message win over the message that keep changing or aren't well definied/ formulated.
In terms of race relations.... I'll keep this one short. I live in Amsterdam, it's quite multicultural, but forget about the Netherlands. Take a look at Belgium, take a look at France, take a look at England, take a look at Sweden. Their cities are torn. Women don't feel safe, elderly people don't feel safe. Gays sure as hell don't feel safe. There's alot of aggression and tension. You'll find that muslims, particularly people from north african decent are overrepresented in crime statistics. People aren't mixing, you don't see muslim girls marry with atheist or christian whites. You don't see much unity at all. You have all these different groups of people living in western europe and some are compatible, some or less compatible but the gap is manageable. With islamic culture there's no gap, there's a chasm. That's why you see right wing political parties springing up everywhere. Here in the Netherlands in the last 6 months, there's been atleast 3 new right wing parties that have sprung up. The people electing / voting on these parties aren't biggots and racists, they're people that see their communities change for the worse and want to do something about it. They don't live in gated communities and uptown districts where all the globalists live at.
Take a look at Yugoslavia, why did it fail there? Exactly the same thing that's happening in Europe happened in Yugoslavia but on a smaller scale. It's not going to work guys. Trust me haha. Take a look at Rome, was also a multicultural society that imploded from within as soon as they went bankrupt. A multi cultural society can only succeed if the cultures are compatible or if the minorities adapt to the dominant culture.
On another note. I was watching a Freddie Mercury doc the other day. Anyone knew he was Parsi? That's a group of Persian zoroastrains that fled Persia when it succumbed to Muslim invaders and fled to India. About 1300+ years later there is still an enclave there and they're still unmixed and true to their traditions and culture. Take a look at Freddie, he looks like a Persian doesn't he? Now take into account that this small secluded group didn't mix in India after 1300+ years but people expect the multi cultural society to succeed in Europe 
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 20:39 Post subject: |
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@Pizda2
I love your rhetoric but it's still mostly hyperbole and just plain wrong in some aspects (that Yugoslavia part is just  ).
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 21:26 Post subject: |
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common guys make counter arguments. Let's spark a conversation. don't just tell me i'm wrong without following up 
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 21:27 Post subject: |
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| Mr.Tinkles wrote: | @Pizda2
I love your rhetoric but it's still mostly hyperbole and just plain wrong in some aspects (that Yugoslavia part is just ). |
super interested in your arguments on Yugoslavia. Same people, same language basically. different religions. didn't work out. In Europe you have different religions, different ethnicities and different laguages. I'm curious to hear how it could work in EU but couldn't work in Yugoslavia. |
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 21:29 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | @Pizda2
Yugoslavia and Freddie Mercury, really?
You stated some unstructured facts, then you shat your own on post by making an extremely poor comparison between two completely unrelated topics.
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I didn't compare Yugoslavia and Freddie Mercury, that's why I said on another note. You sure you read my post? Which unstructured facts? Useless post this sir. |
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 21:40 Post subject: |
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Bit silly to imply that Amsterdam doesn't have the same atmosphere as Belgian cities tbh. Every big (euro) city has the same kind of problems.
While in Sweden I do feel a bit of a difference as in: you even sense those feelings in some small towns. I would argue though that all in all your tone is quite a bit hyperbole. That's not me saying everything is okay, they aren't... but they aren't as shit as you make it sound either.
And before I get called a Cuck Swede: I'm a Belgian living in Sweden with family in the Netherlands. 
Btw, why do people throw around the cuck word so much... makes them look daft in all honesty... kind of the same like when people constantly blurt out sexism or racism. Saying it more doesn't make it so.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2016 21:41 Post subject: |
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| Pizda2 wrote: | | Mr.Tinkles wrote: | @Pizda2
I love your rhetoric but it's still mostly hyperbole and just plain wrong in some aspects (that Yugoslavia part is just ). |
super interested in your arguments on Yugoslavia. Same people, same language basically. different religions. didn't work out. In Europe you have different religions, different ethnicities and different laguages. I'm curious to hear how it could work in EU but couldn't work in Yugoslavia. |
Yeah, and what were those religions? Orthodox christians (Serbano) and Catholics (The Croats or Croo-croo's). The second time that happend it was the Serbs again purging the Bosnians and a third time yet again with Milosevic purging the kosovo-albanians.
Three times the serbs were involved. Are you saying Orthodox christians are dangerous?
 Spoiler: | Or maybe it's a bit more nuanced than that and can't be oiled down to what you or I am implying? |
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jesus fucking christ.
and there are retards supporting this sort of shit.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2017 01:04 Post subject: |
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Is this the guy that won the presidency with the votes from abroad?
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2017 01:36 Post subject: |
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"Islamaphobia" 
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Are people even slightly serious?
Religions are dying, just realise the failure of your ways, and the moral bankruptcy that follows.
Christianity is dying a slow yet relatively painless death, judaïsm always was quite sectarian so who cares, buddhism/taoism is more of a philosophy...
That leaves our beloved Islam. Like a sick, wounded and cornered animal, it's shuffling around in a pathetic attempt to save itself, while clawing and gnawing at anything non-familiar that comes close.
It will take some time, but this idiocy will be fataly injured, and put to sleep.
Anything other than that would be the collapse of the reasoned mind.
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Apr 2017 03:32 Post subject: |
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| HubU wrote: | Are people even slightly serious?
Religions are dying, just realise the failure of your ways, and the moral bankruptcy that follows.
Christianity is dying a slow yet relatively painless death, judaïsm always was quite sectarian so who cares, buddhism/taoism is more of a philosophy...
That leaves our beloved Islam. Like a sick, wounded and cornered animal, it's shuffling around in a pathetic attempt to save itself, while clawing and gnawing at anything non-familiar that comes close.
It will take some time, but this idiocy will be fataly injured, and put to sleep.
Anything other than that would be the collapse of the reasoned mind. |
You are wrong though. Islam is growing and have always been. You are right about other religions dying though so soon there will only be Islam left
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| Posted: Sun, 7th May 2017 11:32 Post subject: |
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Weird as it sounds, I think this discussion is always going to be rooted as a case of 'the actions of few represent the entirety'.
Meaning, we look at the actions of those doing harm - and we think that because of nationality X, because of language X, because of culture X, because of religion X, because of clothing X - and so forth - everyone else who shares more or less of the same descriptors - are also to be regarded as negative, or put into context, a threat.
So many good people in bad places. Remember that.
It is tough to voice against anything that you might think is wrong, if the dominant opinion around you says otherwise, and if sharing your genuine thoughts might bring you or loved ones pain.
It is also tough to voice against anything you have been taught in terms of religion and world-views from a toddler stage, because these are values you are brought up with, and you might not have been exposed to other opinions or views in your entire life. Some places you know don't have free speech. You don't have channels on TV from all over the world. You don't have arenas or forums in which to debate and make qualified, rational life choices.
If you are born poor, there is a much bigger chance, especially in supposed under-developed countries to get an education and avoid staying poor as an adult. There is money at the top, but most importantly power. Power at a political level. Power through a religious level.
I can't blame people who grow up worse than me, worse than us, to wish they had better lives - just like even in the richest countries, no matter where, there's always a need and desire to want more and to live better lives.
I want to blame religion for a lot of things. I believe most religions have a darker side to it, if not today, then at least historically. Nobody is fully innocent. Religion as a way of shaping a human's behavior, believes and values is very powerful - and - sometimes I feel sad for children, no matter where, who grow up with very religious parents, who don't let their children be free of this; teach them good, common sense values, but leave the God, praying and everything to the side just at least until they are able to decide for themselves what they want to do, to believe or not, and how much of their daily lives they want affected by it.
Power corrupts, and greed fuels more greed. Imagine if certain parts of the world had been allowed to develop.
Now I wonder if it will ever happen. If it happens, I wonder what event needs to take place for things to move in a more positive direction. I don't think I will see some sort of combined world effort to come together in order lift everyone up to a level of understanding, out of conflict and poverty.
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fucking lol.
There's going to be lot more of these in the future. Gonna be sweet. Since almost every country has these laws... love to see this shit abused. Will put an end to religion in about 300 years.
| Quote: | I wonder what the pattern is  |
There is no pattern. It's pretty standard especially there if laws are THAT strict. It seems like you could be jailed for saying Fuck Jesus. Or Fuck Yahweh. Or saying people should work on Christmas. Or that Mohammed was a goat fucker. Or Jesus was a pedo.
It's not because of Muslim. But heeey...
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| Posted: Wed, 10th May 2017 12:59 Post subject: |
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Well, I believe these type of agendas shouldn't be discussed on here. The views of people are different, there is no right and wrong in this regard except for the differences in POVs.
Respect everyone, respect every religion, be friendly and above all love everything that is a part of this world.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th May 2017 15:17 Post subject: |
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| HB101 wrote: | Well, I believe these type of agendas shouldn't be discussed on here. The views of people are different, there is no right and wrong in this regard except for the differences in POVs.
Respect everyone, respect every religion, be friendly and above all love everything that is a part of this world. |
You remind me of how I was when I was 16 .
People say "oh it's just a few people ruining it for everyone" but let's not pretend that the other 85% of immigrants that aren't involved with shady stuff or crime are somehow useful to society. Basically, at best you got unschooled immigrants that don't speak the language and have a totally different culture. At worst, you got criminal or even radical immigrants that seek to commit crimes, murder or even commit terrorism. Even if you try to be very humane and overlook the crime, you still got to realize that our welfare system can't handle the stress and it will be at the expense of the elderly who will be left to suffer due to lack of funds.
Oh, and guess what a survey among immigrants shows when asked if more immigrants should be allowed in? Oh wait, the left-wing media has skilfully buried that study. Hint: it's more than 70% against more immigration. Odd, eh? Or perhaps they realize as well that more immigrant only leads to more friction? Too bad our politicians lack the brains to realize this ... .
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