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 Posted: Mon, 9th Jan 2006 12:10 Post subject: Nforce 3/4 Mobo -Starforce 3 |
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Hi,
I read on the forums that if you have a Nforce3/4 mobo you don't have problems with Starforce protected games combined with DT4.
Now I have a nforce 4 mobo but I can't play any starforce game (that isn't cracked).
Someone knows more?
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Jan 2006 12:28 Post subject: |
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You read wrong. My NForce 4 Mobo never worked with Starforce 3. Resorted to physically unplugging. Don't believe everything you read, as 95% turns out to be bullshit.
No doubt some NForce 4 motherboards do work, but as you found out, not all heh.
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deelix
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Jan 2006 14:03 Post subject: |
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| Immunity wrote: | You read wrong. My NForce 4 Mobo never worked with Starforce 3. Resorted to physically unplugging. Don't believe everything you read, as 95% turns out to be bullshit.
No doubt some NForce 4 motherboards do work, but as you found out, not all heh. |
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Jan 2006 17:34 Post subject: |
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Wait a sec. With you board do you have nVidia nforce Parallel drivers INSTALLED and SHOWING in the device manager under ATA controllers? Because with mine, at first the standard ide controllers were installed, and I had to override that and disable the PATA controller.
If after all this it still doesn't work, then well, yeah I guess it doesn't work with all. But I can't really see why it wouldn't work with nFOrce 4 mobos at least. Oh well.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th Jan 2006 21:41 Post subject: |
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so when SF3 is workin' without unplugging?? I though it's a matter of chipset (i've Nforce2Ultra400 - workin' without unplugging for me)
but i see it's not... so what depends on it.... ??
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 11:57 Post subject: |
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Ive got a Nforce4 board and when i was running standard windows drivers i had to unplug the drive to fool starforce 3 games. Disabling didnt help. After installing the nvidia drivers all i have to do is to disable the Paralell ata controller in the device manager to get games running.
To me it seems that installing the nvida drivers is the key..
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 15:59 Post subject: |
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Yeah, like hottar said. Install the Newest nForce Drivers you can find then go to the device manager. Under the ata controller go through the driver installation process and POINT it to the nForce driver directory. For the IDE controllers that is.
If anyone can report that this DOESN'T work with nForce 4 boards, post here and post what it is that you did. Maybe you messed up somewhere.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Jan 2006 18:15 Post subject: |
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About you people talking about using the nVidia IDE drivers to fool starforce I advise do NOT.
The nVidia IDE drivers are buggy as hell, will most likely give you problems (if not immediately they will come after a while), does not give any performance boost that is noticable and they are generally bad.
To give you some perspective about it. In the old days when I had an nForce2 mobo (Abit NF7-s v2.0 and before that the A8N7X-Deluxe 1.01) the nVidia IDE sucked badly. Whenever I tried to use them I would get random bluescreen about this and that. If I uninstalled them all problems went away.
Now you might think "dude that was like 3-4 years ago". Yes it was, problem is nVidia still haven't fixed them!
BUT everything is not bad about them. The people that get them to work properly might notice a performance boost in some cases.
However on my A8N32-SLI (nForce4x16) I get random crashes and other shit when I use the nVidia IDE so for me they are still no good.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jan 2006 20:39 Post subject: |
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Well i got a Nforce board and all i do with sf3 games is mount and i can play without unplugging my ide cd-rom(s).
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Jan 2006 18:49 Post subject: |
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I got MSI Nforce 4 -f
and all i got to do to run sf games is to disable "ATA PARALLEL CONTROLLER" from the Device Manager.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Jan 2006 19:06 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | About you people talking about using the nVidia IDE drivers to fool starforce I advise do NOT.
The nVidia IDE drivers are buggy as hell, will most likely give you problems (if not immediately they will come after a while), does not give any performance boost that is noticable and they are generally bad.
To give you some perspective about it. In the old days when I had an nForce2 mobo (Abit NF7-s v2.0 and before that the A8N7X-Deluxe 1.01) the nVidia IDE sucked badly. Whenever I tried to use them I would get random bluescreen about this and that. If I uninstalled them all problems went away.
Now you might think "dude that was like 3-4 years ago". Yes it was, problem is nVidia still haven't fixed them!
BUT everything is not bad about them. The people that get them to work properly might notice a performance boost in some cases.
However on my A8N32-SLI (nForce4x16) I get random crashes and other shit when I use the nVidia IDE so for me they are still no good. |
Been installed for a few months and it works flawlessly. Then again, there is not much IDE operation on my PC anyway. Chances are this is fine for those with SATA HDDs.
But just so you know, I think they must have improved. Sorry for YOUR problems but they don't seem universal.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Jan 2006 13:44 Post subject: |
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I am one of the lucky ones that got them to work without unpluging the optical drives.
The mobo is an Abit An8-SLI and I have no IDE disk drivers - only optical. I also don't have any Nvidia IDE drivers. Only the standrad drivers from Microsoft.
The only thing that I do is to disable the IDE controller for the optical drives from the device manager and it works.
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Jan 2006 16:00 Post subject: |
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For more information about successes and non-successes about the nVidia IDE drivers you could always take a look at the nvidia forums and over at nforcershq.com forums.
For me they never worked good, too bad back then...
No matter, back on subject... 
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Mar 2006 22:46 Post subject: |
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I have a A8N-E motherboard (NF4 Ultra) and I have installed the latest nForce drivers with all options and I can't find any PATA entry inside ATA Controllers =/
I have Primary IDE, Secondary IDE, and Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller.
When I disable Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller, King Kong works, however when I try to re-enable it, Device Manager crashes, and the whole system behaves wierdly and I can't use the CD/DVD drive until after I reboot.
| childofbhaal wrote: | Yeah, like hottar said. Install the Newest nForce Drivers you can find then go to the device manager. Under the ata controller go through the driver installation process and POINT it to the nForce driver directory. For the IDE controllers that is.
If anyone can report that this DOESN'T work with nForce 4 boards, post here and post what it is that you did. Maybe you messed up somewhere. |
When you say IDE controllers that is you mean that I should try to update Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller? Because I tried all 4 subfolders in IDE folder (legacy, raidtool, sata_ide, sataraid) and Device Manager don't seem so recognize either of them of having an appropriate driver for Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 15:18 Post subject: |
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I've got a ASUS A8N-SLi Premium (nForce4) and haven't had any problems
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Mar 2006 05:02 Post subject: |
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| Spike_UK wrote: | | I've got a ASUS A8N-SLi Premium (nForce4) and haven't had any problems |
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Mar 2006 05:19 Post subject: |
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| childofbhaal wrote: | | Sorry for YOUR problems but they don't seem universal. |
Problems are hardly ever universal.
Of course the Nvidia drivers work perfectly fine for the majority of users.
Or do any of us honestly think a huge company like Nvidia has such bad quality assurance that they release official drivers (which get WHQL certificates by MS as well) knowing that those drivers will cause problems to each and every user?
In general, Nvidia IDE drivers have been and are known to cause a lot more problems to a lot more users than should be expected for a driver release of this magnitude.
And since there is hardly any benefit to using the Nvidia drivers over the Microsoft drivers (excluding the use of those drivers to fool Starforce of course), why risk it.
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Mar 2006 09:26 Post subject: |
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| Spike_UK wrote: | | I've got a ASUS A8N-SLi Premium (nForce4) and haven't had any problems |
you mean you can mount starforce games wihout tools. And do you use ide drivers from nvidia
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