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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2017 22:56    Post subject: I cannot
get over how stupidly smooth 240hz monitor feels. I got this new monitor few hours ago.
Just mouse movement, dragging windows, scrolling websites. Holy crap Shocked

And gaming is in a whole different ballpark too. It's just crazy. I can only run some light or older games at 240hz. I only had Painkiller installed and it's so weird playing a game this smooth. And newer games like Witcher 3(just installed quickly to test) are so much smoother with gsync. I am getting 50-70fps maxed and without gsync it's miserable while vrr eliminates all framerate stutter and tearing. Just simple panning around camera in starting area is so much improved.

And ulmb strobing at 144hz looks like crt. Each frame is clear... I had no idea LCDs are doing this now Laughing

Anyway - Fuck me I've finally got a monitor after my miserable search Crying or Very sad


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ixigia
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 00:56    Post subject:
Don't forget to use Rivatuner (or alternatively the NV Inspector) in order to get the most out of it, the sense of 240hz smoothness is amazing by default, but it does get consistently better once you manually adjust the framerate putting it to a stable value for games. The lower the better, since thanks to the gsync you can see frames more clearly that way, though this could be a sweet spot:



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TSR69
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 01:03    Post subject:
240 ? O.O
I guess I need replacement for my crappy 144 Hz monitor. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 03:51    Post subject:
TSR69 wrote:
240 ? O.O
I guess I need replacement for my crappy 144 Hz monitor. Sad


No shit, right? I just got my 144hz display in January, looks like it's already outdated. Not that my paltry 1070 can run anything modern at 240fps aside from my desktop anyway. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 04:05    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
get over how stupidly smooth 240hz monitor feels. I got this new monitor few hours ago.
Just mouse movement, dragging windows, scrolling websites. Holy crap Shocked

And gaming is in a whole different ballpark too. It's just crazy. I can only run some light or older games at 240hz. I only had Painkiller installed and it's so weird playing a game this smooth. And newer games like Witcher 3(just installed quickly to test) are so much smoother with gsync. I am getting 50-70fps maxed and without gsync it's miserable while vrr eliminates all framerate stutter and tearing. Just simple panning around camera in starting area is so much improved.

And ulmb strobing at 144hz looks like crt. Each frame is clear... I had no idea LCDs are doing this now Laughing

Anyway - Fuck me I've finally got a monitor after my miserable search Crying or Very sad


so with the additional crispness of 240hz would you still enable motion blur in games?
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 07:20    Post subject:
Thanks for advice ixi!
But its true. Best to lock game to 238 fps so gsync is always active. It is so smooth whatever the fps is.

@ampeg - it depends. Ive not tested much yet. There are so many frames so motion blur is not needed there to cheat my eyes into clear motion. But if a game works at lower fps then motuon blur would still help. I mean with 240hz or ulmb at 144hz You can see things when turing around clearly or read text whe scrolling.

I was not expecting to feel much difference of 144hz... Let alone 144hz to 240hz but I can feel and see the 240hz. It cannot go higher right?


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 14:51    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
It cannot go higher right?

You could try some extremes to see for yourself, if there is room for potential left still.
http://www.testufo.com/#test=mprt&background=000000&foreground=ffffff&size=12&thickness=1&pursuit=0&ppf=12
You can change the speed to whatever you feel like is the maximum you could care about and see if blurring occurs (bars widen). The default settings (12 pixels per frame) cause a checkerboard image for 60Hz displays without display time reducing methods (strobing, bfi), which just shows how awful naive 60Hz still are.

I still believe that strobing/bfi are a more cost effective solution than higher refreshrates, because they don't cost computing power. Refreshrates need to be high enough to avoid flicker (and maybe light loss), and perhaps then some for the feel of a game.
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 15:26    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
It is so smooth whatever the fps is.


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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 15:58    Post subject:
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2017 17:23    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
But dont have 240Hz monitors currently bad picture quality and color tearing and such?

I had a Acer Predator with 144Hz and it was really, really bad with certain objects (brownish) so that when you moved , it left behind a purple trail / ghost of the same object.

I couldnt play CS:GO because of that and then I got an Eizo with a VA display (the other was TN+film I believe).

There are only few new gsync 240hz monitors.
I have AOC AG251FG. There is also Asus and Acer. All have presumably the same panel inside.
It's a TN panel but I am surprised that viewing angles are ok. Better than TN I had in 2007... So this is not a problem surprisingly. The picture quality is good. Don't see what the big deal is. At least there is no ips glow or silvering.


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2017 22:14    Post subject:
Dang, going back to 60hz (for test purposes) is extremely jarring. Just operating desktop with mouse is just so weird

Going back to my darkness1 and gears of war trilogy replay on 360 once every few years is not going to be pleasant Crying or Very sad


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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2017 23:08    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
Welcome to my world where everything below 120Hz is 30 fps and 30 fps is eye cancer, even if it's 60 fps.

Yep. THat is starting to be a problem especially that I did not believed that anything above 60hz in lcd world is much of a difference. Now 240hz or nothing Laughing

Thankfully gsync allows to not care much for fps. Recent games like wolfenstein2 played ffantastic. Even lower fps games like Evil Within 2 played comfortably in 50-70fps range thanks to gsync. That way or anoyther - tearing and input lag are gone forever.


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