We’re not ready to put dates on any changes beyond the Reprisal Update – they’ll be done when they’re good and ready – so we’ll talk more about them closer to the time, likely sometime in the new year.
What a fucking joke. It's ridiculous how long it's taking them to implement old content. Serves me right for buying a CA game day one I suppose.
The truth is we screwed up. We got so good at branching and merging builds, we thought we had it mastered. Merging is easy when the things that have changed in one branch don’t coincide with the things that have changed in the other. It gets more difficult when the changes overlap – you most often have to manually intervene to pick which branch is “right”. Typically, merges get exponentially more difficult the longer branches stay apart, as the chance of changes clashing increases.
We planned to take the Norsca branch from WARHAMMER I, along with a variety of other WARHAMMER I improvements, and merge it in to WARHAMMER II. Because the content in Norsca didn’t exist in WARHAMMER II, even though a long time had passed, the merge should have been quick and easy.
There was one tiny problem with this plan, which a bit of deeper might have discovered. It was bollocks.
Although the data itself didn’t clash, improvements to the infrastructure of WH2 meant the containers the data was going into had changed significantly. We also wanted to make Norsca really interesting and unique to play as, so there was also more in the way of bespoke code for Norsca than we originally intended. The first attempt to integrate Norsca in the routine way caused an immediate tsunami of bugs. We smacked our heads against it, realised it was unsolvable in a short span, and had to back out. We started on a second, more careful approach, which has been glacially slow, with deeper and deeper issues with the integration tools and process becoming apparent at each stage.
Modding Norsca into the final game, just as a modder might, would be much quicker and easier. But adding content to the final game rather than the source, which takes a great deal more careful implementation, would produce the same problems as modding; every new game update may break it. It would be a bodge.
The changes to the database structure between WARHAMMER I and WARHAMMER II and the ongoing code and database changes for Mortal Empires made it very difficult to un-tangle the Norsca content, once it had been copied across to WARHAMMER II. As the weeks passed, we realised that it would probably be easier to re-implement Norsca in WARHAMMER II, rather than straighten out the Norsca content copied over from WARHAMMER I. And so, having lost months, we’ve now decided to pick the next point where all the branches are back together (after the next major content update), and then re-implement Norsca from scratch in WARHAMMER II. This won’t be quick, but it is guaranteed to work.
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December: Reprisal Update rollout for Mortal Empires. This contains equivalent Foundation Update skill/campaign improvements to Old World Legendary Lords and Chaos, and will also include some new changes and fixes for Mortal Empires. We’re also bundling in a free, new (and highly experimental!) game mode which we’ve had in our back pocket for a while now. More news on this later in the week.
January: Our first Campaign Pack was initially planned for this year, but will slip to January. Not to seem too… cryptic… but It’s a hugely characterful and significant addition to both Eye of the Vortex and Mortal Empires, and we’re pretty sure people are going to enjoy it. We’ll also be rolling out another Mortal Empires update alongside this release to address any further issues post-Reprisal Update.
May: Yes, this is a bit of a gap, but this is how long our painstaking re-implementation of Norsca will take to get added to Mortal Empires. This update will include Norsca and its full roster, updates to various aspects of the race (eg techs, New World race interactions) to make them appropriate and relevant as well as the 30th birthday Regiments of Renown. There will also be further updates to other aspects of Mortal Empires.
Feels like they should have expected this now with this game engine and all that's been added to it over the years but I suppose a mistake is easy to make, nice to see the next timeline and progress report for the game itself though even if this particular faction is going to be a bit delayed.
(EDIT: Meaning how easy it would be to break things with how the data differs from a older game to a newer one and all the engine tweaks and updates done in-between even if the first TWW is not that old but it sounds like they did quite a bit of engine work for TWW2 from how I read it thus these issues when trying to merge the data.)
Norsca was the last faction added to Wh1, it's far from "an old faction" lol.
Old = a TWW1 faction with all of the assets and mechanics done. You can't seriously tell me that 9 months is a reasonable timeframe to incorporate that into the second game.
@Sauronich: well they explain it well in the link (quoted only part of it)
... tl;dr they fucked up with the builds, underlying changes between games and whole filesystem is a mess
all i read is, sorry paypiggies, we could not do simple copy pasta , ctrl v didnt work as our control key doesnt work, so now u must wait one year while we chrun out more pay dlc for u to consume, btw we working on loot crates, merry xmass and happy new year u lovely paypiggies
I can't say I am surprised. Their development strategy has obviously looked flawed for a long time now. I'm sure we can expect similar bullshit when they eventually try and merge the TWWH3 branches in. I guarantee the Mortal Empires equivalent for that will be a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
Across the arid wastes of once-proud Nehekhara, legions of skeletal warriors and vast, terrifying constructs rise from the sands to serve their ageless masters. The Tomb Kings have awoken – to rebuild their glorious empire anew! Rise of the Tomb Kings is coming to Steam on January 23rd, 2018.
“In response to player feedback, Rise of the Tomb Kings does not contain a supplementary story campaign, but instead 2 additional Legendary Lords for a total of four, with their own skills, traits, quest-chains, legendary wargear and situational challenges. Players may embark on Tomb Kings campaigns as Settra the Imperishable, Khalida, Khatep and Nagash’s former lieutenant, the malignant Arkhan the Black.”
shows u how much they playtest their own shit .... what a disgrace to mess up something as basic as difficulty settings, then again creative assembly n ai and difficulty always been a joke maybe they just spicing things up , making people on easy mode think they have to be gods to win a game and how good CA must be to make such crazy ai beating them lol
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Who gave CA feedback saying we don't want a "supplementary story campaign"?
Ah well, CreamAPI to the rescue. And CODEX, as I haven't bought the base game yet, and won't until it hits the 10-Euro mark. Provided they clean up the mess that is the game in its current state.
Who gave CA feedback saying we don't want a "supplementary story campaign"?
I never played those supplementary campaigns, and I guess, nether did the majority of the player base. They said, by cutting the mini campaigns they could add more legendary lord packs and maybe other extras. I think the legendary lord and regiments of renown packs were their most popular additions.
I am sure they get metrics on how many play what parts of the game, such as achievement meta data.
Who gave CA feedback saying we don't want a "supplementary story campaign"?
I never played those supplementary campaigns, and I guess, nether did the majority of the player base. They said, by cutting the mini campaigns they could add more legendary lord packs and maybe other extras. I think the legendary lord and regiments of renown packs were their most popular additions.
I am sure they get metrics on how many play what parts of the game, such as achievement meta data.
That could be the case. Still, I did play both mini campaigns for WH1, and found them at least decent. I mean, both the Beastmen and the Wood Elves were way more fun there than in the Grand Campaign (where WE suck in particular do their crapy startpos).
Btw, I still dislike the horde mechanism. Chaos and Beastmen are hands-down the two coolest factions, yet playing as a horde takes away the meaning of the strategy game layer (empire building). Simply destroying everything and everyone (while the AI masses a ridiculous amount of forces to stop you) is not a motivating or interesting objective for me.
I'm not sure what Steel Faith Overhall changed on them, but I played both Wood Elves and Beastmen on Very Hard and it didn't seem that much different from other VH campaigns. I did lose (restart) at least 5 times for each, but a few restarts isn't unusual.
I agree with not liking horde mechanics much. It was fun to play through once, mainly because it was different, but I need the empire building.
They did a really good job with Norsica having the chaos feel, within a normal playing faction. I dont think I will ever revisit a chaos play through, unless they totally overall it, in the WH:TW3
It's not that WE and Beastmen are hard, their campaigns are boring -- like I said, not much incentive to play without proper empire building (WE can't really do that, either).
I'm 5 and a half minutes into the video above, and everything sounds really cool. I might even cave in and buy the game when the Tomb Kings are released. They sound so unique in terms of gameplay.
Holy fucking hell do I suck at this game. I'm having so many issues with being able to pay upkeep on both a large conquering army (which, lets be honest, is required), but also having enough left over to field and maintain one for defense (because as soon as you move away, every fucking AI and their mother roll in to wreak havoc on your undefended land - they don't bother while you're within striking distance though).
I get the basics - ports/unique buildings generate the most trade income. Units take upkeep etc. Maybe I'm just settling too much and not raping and pillaging enough.
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the game is piseasy man ... all u have to do is like in any total war game for the last 8 years is to DELETE most of your army first turn, cause those troops cost super silly amounts of money, then turtle for 10-15 turns, build 2 cheap stacks of discounted and more experienced (from general bonusses) troops and bam u can autoresolve hundreds of turns and 'enjoy' the game hehe
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maybe they just spicing things up , making people on easy mode think they have to be gods to win a game and how good CA must be to make such crazy ai beating them lol
