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Im very picky about image quality, and OLED seems to be way to go, but i really cant be arsed to pay like 3500 euros for screen that has shitloads of image retention issues (not to mention OLED prices will go down for sure soon enough). Currently debating if i should just buy the new Xiaomi Laser Projector to replace my 58" 4K TV.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2017 20:29 Post subject: |
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I'm looking at 65" OLED but IMO it's not worth the money atm. Next year prices will probably drop sharply, at least I hope so. Once you've seen OLED in action next to an LCD, there's no other choice. I can lol at Samsung's Qled, trying to fool consumers.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2017 13:21 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Nui wrote: |
Do you tend to use your displays at maximum brightness or do you use sensible or even typical calibration targets? |
It really depends, on my current monitor i use what's comfortable, which is not maximum brightness, it's quite scaled back. I probably tend to use more extreme settings on a TV since i won't sit infront of it the entire day 
| Breezer_ wrote: | | Im very picky about image quality, and OLED seems to be way to go, but i really cant be arsed to pay like 3500 euros for screen that has shitloads of image retention issues (not to mention OLED prices will go down for sure soon enough). Currently debating if i should just buy the new Xiaomi Laser Projector to replace my 58" 4K TV. |
3500? they're down to 1400 for a state-of-the art one (LG).. it will drop again for sure after Christmas, and that's when i'm gonna buy one..
Wouldn't mind a new projector though if it lives up to OLED quality and has great HDR.. i doubt its "cheaper" than an OLED though?
@Mister_s yeah that QLED was really lame. |
Yes the tiny 55" model, i need 65" atleast, and that costs over 3000 euros here even for the older B7. Ah well i found awesome deal for 65" Samsung VA 4K "HDR" (890 euros), that will do for me till when OLED prices drop and you can get 65" "cheap".
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2017 17:31 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2017 17:34 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | C7 is the newest? |
Thats just another model. B7 is the cheaper.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2017 17:40 Post subject: |
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Basically the letter is the model within a generation and the number the generation. For now...
Actually starting with this generation there is nothing but a cosmetic difference between the B7/C7 and image quality wise there is NO step up from there, so the higher priced models do NOT look at any better.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2017 17:44 Post subject: |
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Ah, okay, well prices here are like +500eur for the C7. TV market is fucking confusing and pure lies to consumer these days, also its insane that some models have panel lottery, meaning that you can get IPS or VA to same model and this is big difference for people who is searching TV for gaming or pure movie usage ( i prefer VA since i watch only movies on TV).
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yeah that panel lottery has been going on for years for some models, and you might not be aware, it can take months before reports starts to show up that it's the case. How convenient for the company; send out the superior ones for reviews or make sure the first ones that goes out are the better to get a headstart with positive reviews from consumers.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Dec 2017 13:03 Post subject: |
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How is that possible? Shouldn't the panel type be named in the specs?
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Dec 2017 13:08 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | How is that possible? Shouldn't the panel type be named in the specs? |
I'm sure the specs are written differently, but the model name is the same so good luck getting the right one. In fact i saw such monitor recently when i browsed (prisjakt.nu -
swedish site for best prices) - two monitors listed with the exact same name but when i started reading the specs there was a variation. I'm sure if you read on the back there is some variation on a number between the two (but not the model name itself).
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jan 2018 00:27 Post subject: |
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Pretty satisfied with it  Colors looks way better than on my LCD, black is as black as a TV looks when it's turned off, no hint of grey.
HDR.. it's really underwhelming, not sure what type of TV it would take to make me impressed by it.. it's extremely subtle. Night scenes with lots of lightning does look better and more atmospheric. But those images you sometimes see (of skies etc) where they say this is HDR on, this is HDR off - where it looks like the HDR is making it look completely different.. no, i've never seen that, but haven't compared too much yet (turned on Planet Earth II 4K HDR version on both the LCD and the OLED to see how they would compare, it's not a huge difference apart from color and black level).
Also, way too many reports now (e.g on the AVS forum) about burn ins to not be kind of worried about it.. i can understand why LG makes the screen saver kick in within 3 minutes(!!) on a frozen screen, there's probably a good reason... kind of shitty that we still have to deal with stuff like this on a modern screen.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jan 2018 12:46 Post subject: |
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...did some more comparisons (batman vs superman) .. yeah HDR actually does make quite the impact in some scenes, i'd say it's equal to having more natural colors, it makes scenes more realistic and it does bring out more detail where otherwise it's mostly a blur. it's not something that stands out, it looks natural, and i guess that's the point.
Tried my best to calibrate my LCD (which stands next to it) to the OLED's colors, haha, it really has no chance.. especially for cyan color it seems, it can not replicate the very realistic looking ocean colors i get on the OLED..
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2018 08:16 Post subject: |
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HDR is basically color grading (for example lets take raw picture of some nature scenery with lots of light, sky might be washed out, but after color grading its full of details), or that is how i would describe it (i personally was little underwhelmed too when i first time saw it, guess people haven´t used to natural colors). I will go for HDR when ultrawide monitor comes that supports it fully, meanwhile im happy with my purchase (got the 65" 4K samsung VA for little over 800 euros, amazing picture for the price when calibrated, very good blacks and uniformity is superb on this unit).
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2018 14:29 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | HDR is basically color grading (for example lets take raw picture of some nature scenery with lots of light, sky might be washed out, but after color grading its full of details) |
Sounds like your describing "HDR" for photos that we already had for a while. This is different. This merely allows for much higher peak brightness (for small areas), so you don't have to resort to some mapping of high-dynamic-range data into low-dynamic-range output.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2018 14:42 Post subject: |
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Yes it's often very visible in small areas, like from light bulbs in Uncharted 4, got to say it looks quite realistic in comparison to the more muted light you otherwise get. A city night scene with many lights also looks great.
My father was impressed by the interface of the TV (they have like a 10+ year old LCD) so he got himself the IPS version.. gonna be interesting to see how that looks. (edit: like expected; like crap, in comparison to the OLED)..
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Are the prices finally getting down? I think I night get new TV in the upcoming 2-3 years, but I will have to update my receiver as well to more properly Support UHD and above so I am not in hurry.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:32 Post subject: |
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Prices have been going down each year. And they will also almost certainly be cheaper in 2-3 years as well. Friend of mine just got the 65" version for just 2200€.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2018 19:07 Post subject: |
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Is there anything special coming for the 2018 OLED models? The 2017 models are dropping in price, I wonder if I should wait for the new models or not.
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2018 19:57 Post subject: |
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There are no useful tests yet.
Cheaper initial prices.
Larger internal 3DLUT (33x33x33), even with direct access for calibration using Calman. No idea if they fixed their standard calibration tools in the menu. Only interesting to those calibrating their devices or potentially those copying settings from others (unlikely though).
Over USB and internet 4k@120Hz support. Not via HDMI, because that requires version 2.1!
No sign of near black uniformity improvements so far.
I believe maximum light output is not increased.
Subpixel are larger
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/2950318-lg-2018-wait-buy-now-2.html#post55569952
There is new logo removal option with 2 strength settings?
They finally support BFI, but we don't know the quality of the implementation. So a mode that may flicker visibly for sharper and possibly smoother motion.
Some 2018 TVs supposedly support variable frame rates like gsync/freesync, no idea if LG belongs to those or what the limitations would be.
I would guess that the improvements are on the minor end for most people?
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2018 12:19 Post subject: |
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I forgot to mention some things.
The B8 is no longer unconditionally the same visually as the C8. Only from C8 and up we get the newest and greatest processor dubbed alpha 9. But of course we dont know what that means really.
There will also be a feature that aims to remove some color banding artifacts like sony already has. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_banding
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picture quality does deteriorate by usage, image burn in etc might be a problem with task bar etc.. hmm.
