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PumpAction
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 16:29    Post subject:
Waaaaaay to expensive. My price limit is after taxes 52.000€ incl. all extras. And with some of those cars - I'M LOOKING AT YOU AUDI! - apparently even something as basic as a park distance control costs up to 780€ EXTRA Mad


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 17:36    Post subject:
Hehe yeah German car manufacturers and their extras. You see a car for 40k, add some extras and you're at 60k Laughing Why not buy a great used car?
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 17:44    Post subject:
It's a company car, so they'll contact a leasing company and see what they can arrange etc.

I own a used car now and my personal budget allowed for the tiniest 3 liter BMW Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 18:45    Post subject:
ooh I just now saw this gem:

PumpAction wrote:
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BTW automatic is a must. I mean, manual is fun, but the automatic is just much quicker and if you want even more economical.

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there are 2 types of automatic gearboxes:

1 Torque Converter
2 DSG

1 is 100 years old, switches gears for ~2 seconds, weights ~80kg, needs maintenance 5y
+ very smooth but slow operation
- high energy loss (15%) except when cruising
in reality rises fuel efficiency by 1-2l/100km

2 is fairly recent, switches gears for 0.2 sec under limited conditions, weights ~100kg, may need 2y or 5y maintenance depending on type (wet/dry clutch)
+ very fast gear switching when accelerating in a straight line, but not very gentle operation
+ almost no energy loss
- may take longer than 2sec to switch a gear it didn't anticipate to prepare, like going down 2 gears etc.
in reality is almost as good as a properly operated manual transmission fuel wise, if you are fast with the manual you will get better mileage

BMW has primarily the 1-st type (ZF)
Audi has primarily the 2-nd type (DSG)

Both cost 2000+ eur, which can be spent elsewhere

the factory "claim" that automatics are more economical than manuals is a myth, just as their "claimed" fuel efficiency of 7/100 city driving
their "claim" that auto gearboxes don't need maintenance is BS too

tl;dr: only buy an auto if you can't or don't care about switching gears, or if you're doing a lot of city traffic driving


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 18:50    Post subject:
I have driven type one with the 8 gear sport automatic and no way there are 2+ second gear switches Laughing Or does the M240i accelerate to 100 in the first gear, else it would spend 2+ of it's 4.4 seconds to 100 for switching to the second gear? Laughing

I drove the DSG from an Audi but it was not their equivalent of the sports version.. It felt sluggish even though the car had similar engine props as my previous BMW (2l Diesel, 190HP).

Apparently BMW are also amateurs for planning to use the ZF for the upcoming M5s? Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 18:54    Post subject:
when you drive a type 1 transmission and you press the gas to accelerate, it says it changed gears, your revs go up, stay there ~1sec while the car (kind of slowly) accelerates then it really begins to accelerate

of course you can accelerate to 4.4 seconds 0-100 in a torque converter, but you never truly accelerate in 100% of the power, as the torque converter is constantly trying to match the speed of the engine like a clutch

I do not know which transmission BMW uses for which model

ZF transmissions are very good in dealing with a lot of power, there are several models based on NM max output they can handle, like ZF 600, ZF 800, ZF 1000 and such
because the torque converter cushions / smooths out spikes in the output of the engine like a rubber/sponge

this is very good explanation on the topic of type 1 Torque Converter gearbox:



after you watch the video, I hope you get the idea how this gearbox wastes 15-25% of the engine output which never gets to the wheels, while the 2 propellers match speeds during acceleration/deceleration

this is a very good explanation on the topic of type 2 Dual Clutch Transmission gearbox:



after you watch this video you will get an idea how the gearbox prepares gears for switching, and that's how it can switch so fast, but if you request a gear that is not prepared, it might take some time..

I'm not saying "FUCK AUTO TRANSMISSION IS FOR PUSSIES" but be educated when you make the decision Wink


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and yes, mine is only average


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Stige




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 19:05    Post subject:
DSG is aids, real men have torque converters in their cars that switch gears instantly.

Come to Finland StrEagle and I'll bust that myth right away for you about those "slow" or "delayed" changes Smile
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 19:07    Post subject:
dude the Torque converter NEEDS TIME to match both propellers, it CAN NOT SWITCH instantly Smile

and I'd love to visit Finland and cruise around in V8 style Drooling

just tell me when's the chicks season Very Happy


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Stige




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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 19:16    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
dude the Torque converter NEEDS TIME to match both propellers, it CAN NOT SWITCH instantly Smile

and I'd love to visit Finland and cruise around in V8 style Drooling

just tell me when's the chicks season Very Happy


Try August when it feels like it's summer finally, June/July feels like Spring really these days..

But I quarantee you won't be feeling any delays with a real transmission Wink
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 19:18    Post subject:
I'd love to be proved wrong!

But I've driven such transmissions on old BMWs and you think the gear is switched, when in reality the torque converter is still matching speeds like using half-clutch on a manual


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Apr 2018 19:29    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
I'd love to be proved wrong!

But I've driven such transmissions on old BMWs and you think the gear is switched, when in reality the torque converter is still matching speeds like using half-clutch on a manual


If it doesn't hurt your neck then it's not switching well enough! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Apr 2018 13:53    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Apr 2018 14:32    Post subject:
S3 > A4

Magnetic ride is adjustable damper's stiffness, worth it imo if you want to switch from sport to comfort suspension, if you only want comfort - not worth it

metallic paint is much better too

matrix LED is SO MUCH WORTH IT, must get it, it literally cuts the light beam in several sections and can individually shut off each one if there is a car in it so it doesn't blind them
so you can drive on high beams all the time, even in oncoming traffic!!

also get heatable steering wheel, if you get temperatures below 0 in the winter, you'll thank me in 6 months
it goes very well with heatable seats and heatable mirrors

if you're gonna get the automatic transmission, at least get the stop&go driving assist, as in traffic it moves and stops the car on it's own, keeping the distance with the car infront of you, very nice

I also highly recommend the back camera

the virtual cockpit is also a nice extra if you have budget left

also rip 6 cylinders Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Apr 2018 14:58    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Apr 2018 15:00    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Yeah, I think that the A4 as sedan looks lame. But I have to admit that Audi has really nice station wagons, but I would have to leave out too many extras if I took that. Also it's quite big.

Now off to the BMWs:

BMW 330i Edition M-Sport: http://mein.bmw.de/a9m0j5f8


BMW M240i: http://mein.bmw.de/y3g9k5x0


Just get the BMW, it suits you, we all know you are a dick anyway. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Apr 2018 15:08    Post subject:
M240i all the way, you don't have kids I suppose Very Happy

the other 18" black rims look fancier imo

high beam asistant

rear view camera

active cruise control

steering wheel heater

adaptive suspension

wlan hotspot is free?

extended size instrument cluster? more information showed is always better, unless is this a handicapped option or something?

alarm system

mirror package

adaptive LED headlights

yay 6 cylinders Very Happy


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Lutzifer wrote:
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Apr 2018 15:12    Post subject:
Right, some progress on my car finally.

The block is good, by that I mean no special reason for the cracks or anything, as I thought it might be corrosion inside the water jackets but it wasn't.
The reason the 2 cylinders were cracked was that the cylinder walls are 5-6mm on one side and like 2mm on the other side. And the side they cracked on is the thrust side of those pistons that takes most of the force when piston moves, the other side of block is probably fine cause the thrust side is on the thick part of the cylinder wall.

Block is now filled with block filler to strengthen it up a bit after the two cracked cylinders were resleeved. Hopefully avoid future cracks now.
Also adding an oil cooler because the bottom end will lose some cooling due to the filler so need to cool the oil better.

One head is fully assembled, second head needs valve springs installed and it is ready to go aswell.
Crankshaft is installed with new bearings, camshaft is also in place. Should get new rod bolts tomorrow so I can start putting pistons back in, and need to fit new piston rings aswell.

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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Apr 2018 17:28    Post subject:


Lutzifer wrote:
and yes, mine is only average
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Apr 2018 21:15    Post subject:
Some pushrod goodness almost back in shape.

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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd May 2018 21:16    Post subject:
And running, finally!

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PostPosted: Mon, 21st May 2018 18:48    Post subject:


Lutzifer wrote:
and yes, mine is only average
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PostPosted: Mon, 21st May 2018 18:50    Post subject:
My dream car is one that I don't need to make payments (pay in full), does not break down, gets me to point A and B , and is affordable , and lasts a long time. Oh wait.. I already have it..Chevy Prizm..


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PostPosted: Mon, 21st May 2018 20:00    Post subject:
todd72173 wrote:
My dream car is one that I don't need to make payments (pay in full), does not break down, gets me to point A and B , and is affordable , and lasts a long time. Oh wait.. I already have it..Chevy Prizm..


Dream car? I get such weird looks when people ask what car I want the most and I don't have an answer for them.
But I do agree with you that if I need a loan to buy a car, I won't. I want to afford it with my own money or otherwise that doesn't involve going to the bank for a loan.

I don't want some pre built superhypermegacar that drives itself or some 60s Mustang, Charger, Challenger or some other fancy car that everyone else wants too.

I enjoy what I have and build upon that, improving it constantly and thus having my "dream car" at all times, just making it better as I go along.
It's not a specific brand or anything, I had my -67 Fairlane for 7 years before I sold it to buy back this -68 Satellite I have now, sold it a few years back and regret selling it ever since I sold it.
I guess my "dream car" will never be complete or ready really, there is always room for improvement.

Well I could say I have a body style I would like to build upon and that's this, even though I'm not a big fan of 2 doors only. Just something about this style clicks with me.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jun 2018 20:22    Post subject:
Bought wife a new car.


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2018 09:38    Post subject:
Sweet! Very Happy
May she get many careless kilometres Smile


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2018 10:44    Post subject:
Did you grease up the cam on purpose? Mad


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2018 12:37    Post subject:
Is that a late 60'ies/early 70'ies Taunus?


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Jun 2018 20:08    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Did you grease up the cam on purpose? Mad


Has no lense on it.

Its a 67 Fairlane, not sure if that question was serious or not.
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