Unfortunately AMD is still way behind on IPC which matters most when it comes to gaming and similar stuff. It doesn't seem like they're anywhere close to catching up to Intel with Zen 2. :/
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Zen 2 is expected to bring an increase in instructions per clock over Zen, but not nearly as large as the jump from Excavator to Zen.
We'll see. AMD does have an edge on price/performance with their CPU's (which has been their forté ever since they started making x86-CPU's except for a couple of time periods).
The more cores games use and the more they use DX12 the less CPU IPC is important. AMD is good enough for all those gamers who do not use High-End GPUs and are GPU bound anyway and all those who still game at 60Hz. But I agree, if you absolutely need those FPS for competitive gaming/4K/144Hz Intel is the best choice. Most people wont notice the difference except benchmarks.
More threads are becoming more important. Just look at AC:Odyssey benchmarks. And Intel sells 6-cores without HT for 280$.
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Yeah. I got my i5-8400 for way less than $280 (a friend who always find bargains got it brand new for me for ~$200 or something). It's a stop-gap CPU but I'm not really feeling the need to upgrade right away since the difference from my previous i5-3570K@4.5GHz is still quite noticeable even though the 8400 runs as lower clocks (4GHz max on 1 core, 3.9 on 2 or similar and 3.8 on 3 or more cores). I was surprised since I had gotten the impression that IPC and efficiency hadn't really improved that much over the generations but the fact is that 1 core at 4GHz on my 8400 is quite a bit faster than 1 core at 4.5GHz on my previous 3570K.
I'm happy that AMD and Intel are making 6+ core "standard" in even the mid-budget segment. That gives developers a lot more incentive to properly multi-thread their games.
I know what TDP means, my point was that 8700K has also 95W TDP and intel states 9900K which has higher boost + 2 extra cores and 4 threads is also 95W TDP, it does not make any sense.
The Intel TDP reported is using certain criteria is it not?
It's not the max value but rather the stock clock before boost and using a average workload from what I recall. AMD also uses something like that I think.
Standard or average thermal and power draw value and not what it would be using at full.
(Thus measures taken by reviewers will - always? - show a higher maximum power draw when measured on newer Intel CPU's compared to what Intel reports since they changed how this was measured.)
EDIT: Though from benchmarks I'm finding of the 8700k it actually performs pretty close to the rated TDP value in most situations other than extreme benchmarks so that's pretty good.
(Given some room though the boost clock can push it higher and then the power draw is seeing a noticeable increase as does thermals.)
Take it with grain of salt, but sounds promising, AMD should be pretty equal compared to intel after this in single core performance, if they also keep their pricing, Intel is getting rick rolled.
I sure hope its true, even though my Ryzen 1700X is plenty enough for me.
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I sure hope its true, even though my Ryzen 1700X is plenty enough for me.
Does not sound impossible at all, Ryzen IPC is enough for everything currently anyway, expect if you want to run your esports 10000hz monitor on ancient 1080p resolution. 1950X has been crushing everything what my work requires and dont have any problems running 3440x1440 100hz on gaming side (GPU is the limiting factor here, but will see when i install my second 1080ti), but not that i need constant 100fps, G-SYNC is amazing (or was, until Windows broke it ).
Yes i will go for SLI, mainly for video work, where it will work flawlessy, could not resist the offer to get FE model for 450 euros, was a steal, since some retards sold their 1080ti´s dirt cheap at the time when you could preorder RTX cards .
Not sure what you mean with "magnitude" faster, zen+ has like 3% faster IPC than 1st gen Zen. What kind of emulator you are planning to run, i can test 4.1ghz + 3200mhz ram performance, just tell me what settings / game / emulator.
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(remember, it's a non-OC CPU).
