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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 07:48    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 08:13    Post subject:
This comes as a surprise, especially for all those people who spent extra just to have G-Sync. Laughing


But overall good news!


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 08:24    Post subject:
Damn, I wanted to pay tons of extra money for propriety tech that barely works cross platform when perfectly good opensource solutions are available Sad Oh well guess I can always spend $2400 on my next Nvidia GPU.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 08:54    Post subject:
Laughing Laughing

Good news for me though since I have no intention of ever buying into the G-SYNC-shenanigans with $200 premium for proprietary sync, esp. not when FreeSync comes almost free (with LFA I'm okay with spending $20 or so extra, not $200).


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 10:17    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 10:48    Post subject:
Welp, unless Nvidia's implementation ends up sucking on the majority of FS monitors, there goes one of the few reasons to buy an AMD card. Navi's price/perf better be fucking insane Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 10:50    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
So will it be locked to RTX / "new" Nvidia cards or will it be backwards compatible with older Nvidia cards via driver update???

It's not clear to me...


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 11:06    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
So will it be locked to RTX / "new" Nvidia cards or will it be backwards compatible with older Nvidia cards via driver update???

It's not clear to me...



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G-SYNC Compatible tests will identify monitors that deliver a baseline VRR experience on GeForce RTX 20-series and GeForce GTX 10-series graphics cards, and activate their VRR features automatically.


https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2019/01/06/g-sync-displays-ces/


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 11:33    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 11:43    Post subject:
That's cool. Hopefully it will work on my Korean Crossover without any issues.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 12:10    Post subject:
Sauronich wrote:
Welp, unless Nvidia's implementation ends up sucking on the majority of FS monitors, there goes one of the few reasons to buy an AMD card. Navi's price/perf better be fucking insane Laughing


The highest suppose AMD model coming out is the 3080 and according to them, it's the equivalent of a 2070/1080 which should be priced again according to them at 249$

So no AMD surpassing NVIDIA high end in video cards this year in terms of performance.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 12:37    Post subject:
If AMD can launch a really decent card in the higher part of the mid-range with a price that puts it on top when it comes to price/performance (trhat's what made AMD big back in the Athlon days to the point that they could afford to buy ATI). They kind of lost their way with Bulldozer and it's later variants, selling CPU's that were good in themselves but unable to compete with Intel's Core-CPU's (which were based on the mobile version of the Pentium 3).

They did come back a little when P4 was released which was hot enough to cook eggs on with disappointing performance (first gen P4) while AMD had better chips out for a while until Intel fixed their P4 CPU's and moved to the Core-series which has kept it's #1 position (until somewhat recently when AMD finally got Zen fixed).


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 13:24    Post subject:
I don't see a point in selling AMD/ATI short. There was a time when AMD dominated the desktop CPU market in performance over Intel's terrible Pentium 4/D. It was only the Core microarchitecture that brought them on top, but that took years. Likewise with ATI GPUs, there was a period of time where their cards were superior whereas nVidia stumbled quite badly (FX, 7000, 8000, 200 lines).

They should by all means attempt to produce high-performance chips. There is no reason to stagnate them.
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 14:21    Post subject:
Hey guys

Here's my review of the RTX 2060 FE > http://www.pcmrace.com/2019/01/07/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-review/

It includes the following:

13 Gaming Benchmarks with and without overclock
DX 12 Benchmarks
DLSS Comparison - Images and Video
Six Gameplay Videos
RTX and Mesh Shading Demo
Overclock
and more

Hope you like it


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 14:24    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 14:37    Post subject:
Will be live again in 20 minutes. Miscalculated embargo time

Edit: Live again.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 18:35    Post subject:
Pey wrote:
Hey guys

Here's my review of the RTX 2060 FE > http://www.pcmrace.com/2019/01/07/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-review/

It includes the following:

13 Gaming Benchmarks with and without overclock
DX 12 Benchmarks
DLSS Comparison - Images and Video
Six Gameplay Videos
RTX and Mesh Shading Demo
Overclock
and more

Hope you like it

Nice. very nice Pey!


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 18:43    Post subject:
Yeah it's interesting, thanks. I wonder if the 6GB VRAM will turn out to be a problem?
KC you have a 6GB 1060, any game or mods where the memory reached its limitations yet?
It's not that cheap though, but performance seems alright and maybe sell the Anthem key to get back some bucks. Idea
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 18:55    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
Yeah it's interesting, thanks. I wonder if the 6GB VRAM will turn out to be a problem?
KC you have a 6GB 1060, any game or mods where the memory reached its limitations yet?
It's not that cheap though, but performance seems alright and maybe sell the Anthem key to get back some bucks. Idea

Not yet but I do not play arma or many mods.
And I only have 8gb ram too... No AAA game stuttered yet or I felt limited by vram or ram. It's a good card so far (2 years and going)


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 20:06    Post subject:
GTX line FINALLY comes to laptops!

https://techreport.com/news/34367/nvidia-rtx-lands-on-gaming-laptops
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/7/18170951/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-graphics-ray-tracing-laptops-ces-2019

So Much Win

Took a while as the 1080s came quick after announcement back in mid-2016.

Gather they had technical issues getting it to fit in the form factor.

Still.. power consumption is gonna be a bugger but.. Embarassed

No 8K laptop displays though Crying or Very sad (yeah yeah 8K would not be noticeable on a 17-18.4" screen + possible performance issue) but 4K will do + latest i9 processor is fine for now.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 20:08    Post subject:
Why is not having 8K on a Laptop an issue? Seriously.


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 20:13    Post subject:
Seriously. 14" 1920x1080p laptop screen in 157 dpi (have dell like that at work) and 27" 4k is 164 dpi and you already cannot see pixels there Very Happy Ideally, we could go as far as whatever and just use any integer resolution along the way without any loss.... oh wait there is an app for that!
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113272

Well, more of a partial workaround


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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 20:14    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
Why is not having 8K on a Laptop an issue? Seriously.

I cannot make full use of a 4K TV, because otherwise my speakers would be too far apart (with only a <1cm safety distance). And then there is thudo who wants an 8k laptop Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 7th Jan 2019 23:36    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
Yeah it's interesting, thanks. I wonder if the 6GB VRAM will turn out to be a problem?
KC you have a 6GB 1060, any game or mods where the memory reached its limitations yet?
It's not that cheap though, but performance seems alright and maybe sell the Anthem key to get back some bucks. Idea


I've checked various games (unmodded as well as modded with high res textures etc.) and max seems to hover around 3.4GB. The caveat is that I'm running 1080p. I don't know exactly how much that affects 1440p or even 4k since the pixel count is much higher and thus use a bigger frame buffer. However, even at higher resolutions the games use the same size textures as they do at 1080p unless you're using texture mods with 8k+ size textures (which seems kind of overkill anyway, but if you've got 8-11GB of VRAM it might make sense).

My opinion is that 6GB VRAM is plenty and won't be a problem. 4GB VRAM should be minimum though since I've definitely used more VRAM than 3GB. It doesn't hurt with 8GB for 4K use though but the 2080 Ti with 11GB (just like the 1080 Ti) seems overkill unless used as a workstation card where that kind of VRAM can be used for more advanced tasks. As far as gaming goes I feel 4-8GB is the range that makes sense in their respective segments.


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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jan 2019 00:03    Post subject:
Pey wrote:
Hey guys

Here's my review of the RTX 2060 FE > http://www.pcmrace.com/2019/01/07/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-founders-edition-review/

It includes the following:

13 Gaming Benchmarks with and without overclock
DX 12 Benchmarks
DLSS Comparison - Images and Video
Six Gameplay Videos
RTX and Mesh Shading Demo
Overclock
and more

Hope you like it


Thanks, the benchmarks were really interesting. It's basically a replacement for the 1070 Ti at a lower price (at least MSRP) with RTX and DLSS (RTX is still a somewhat pointless novelty since there is one game supporting it afaik and DLSS is worse than TAA but may be useful for 4K users). We'll see what happens with the GDDR5X-versions and the 4GB and 3GB versions as well (esp. pricing) we've seen from Gigabytes "leaked" list of 2060'ies that they're working on. From the numbers and benches I'd say it's optimal for 1080p and 1440p. 4K-users should get the 2070 or higher.


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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jan 2019 02:07    Post subject:
I'm gonna stay at 1080p for the forseeable future so it should be fine.
I'll probably get an RTX 2060 this month, sell Anthem key...then get the Ryzen 3600X when it's out. If it takes until April/May for the CPU to come out I'll just have to wait.
There should be a couple games that should not be bottlenecked by my old CPU I hope (so definitely no Ubisoft games Laughing ). With the new GPU I'd have a couple months to play those while I wait for the new Ryzen.
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PostPosted: Tue, 8th Jan 2019 12:11    Post subject:
Is there any reason to buy an gsync monitor now? I want to know because nvidia support freesync now.
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