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 Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 23:16 Post subject: Bohemian Grove |
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i dunno if this is old, but i never heard of it before.
http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html
i highly doubt any of this is true of course, but i m just wondering, did anyone see the full video on this? how authentic does it seem?
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 23:39 Post subject: |
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as soon as I read the "bizarre pagan ritual" part, i stopped reading. Obviously this is written by some wacko christian conspiracy nut.
Atleast use 'satanism' or something that is actually 'evil' by common standards.
The way pagans worship may be odd, but nothing sinister takes place...
Forget the fact that most pagans dont believe in a 'devil' but rather because most believe in 3 Fold Law - whatever u do comes back to 3 times as great, so it gives u that push to be good rather than hurt ppl. |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 23:45 Post subject: |
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he's also the make of 911:the road to tyrrany and some other docs.
quite intressting.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2006 00:16 Post subject: |
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as far as i know the story checks out. Its some nutjobs on a yearly retreat that do rituals together. Considering how big of an influence freemasonry was for the u.s. and still is to this day, i dont see why its so unbelievable. Alot of the conclusions inbetween in this story are shakey though and are indeed more of a conspiracy theory. It wouldnt surprise me though if dubja was indeed the son of satan himself
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Feb 2006 23:49 Post subject: |
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ive seen some of Mr. Jones work , he is a bit intense for most ppl but its good that some are taking to the streets and getting in ppl's faces about this, it would be unwise to ignore him.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2006 17:10 Post subject: |
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Im not saying that these guys arent wacked, but why imply that it has something to do with paganism when it could be a bunch of drunk, egomaniacs running around in robes thinking they are 'magical' sounds like a bunch of ferries to be honest.
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2006 17:18 Post subject: |
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as i said, the high echelons of the ruling people in europe and north-america have been associated with masonic lodges or other "secret" societes for the last 200 years at least. It is not so wild a speculation to call their doing rituals and its content pagan. Remember paganism isnt necessarily "satanic" and masonry not necessarily evil. Those are usually implied though for whatever reasons there are
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2006 18:18 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | as i said, the high echelons of the ruling people in europe and north-america have been associated with masonic lodges or other "secret" societes for the last 200 years at least. It is not so wild a speculation to call their doing rituals and its content pagan. Remember paganism isnt necessarily "satanic" and masonry not necessarily evil. Those are usually implied though for whatever reasons there are |
Yeah, I know, thats what pisses me off tho. In the media and sorry to say, to those who come from a christian or conservative upbringing, paganism and satanism are one in the same, and they arent.
Christians, had nothing against Pagans until the King James version of the bible came around in the...16th centruy if i recall correctly. He feared witches and druids and all that, so when he did his interpretation of the bible, he focused on them negatively.
I wonder how much of the current Christian/Catholic bible is the same as say a bible from 1000CE
And i dont mean the 'laws', I mean the actual story of christ that is recorded in the new testament. |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2006 18:26 Post subject: |
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i think the whole witchunting thing was earlier, but you re still right there, as its sad how religious arguments where used to kill so-called witches or satanists, often only to gain power or wealth from them or just in egoistic feuds against those with a bad standing in a community.
Sadly, religion is just opiate for the masses most of the time
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Feb 2006 01:02 Post subject: |
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like the ppl at the grove it is basiclly mind control. the weaker minds always fall for the usual doctrines that are thought to them at an early age and not changing much but if u become important enough later or u think u are it will naturally feel laking and u might want to explore and expand ur beliefs or look for a new belief system altogether, not just some hocus pokus ritual but some thing with u can feel , experiance , and be a real part of. if one could be convinced that u can make heavan on earth and be part of the elite or higher ranks of that, wouldnt that be tempting , and if there is such a religion/ideology/ faith recruting ppl (selectively) than a lot that is being said is plausibe but by far the large number of ordinary ppl and even most members of such cults or organizations have only bits and pieces of the truth or the knowledge which absolute high rank holders posses. remeber its about contrling minds, at least initialy.
best example would be The Knight Templers, since most here are from Europe. they, it is clainmed and proved, had 'secret' knowledge and mostly kept it to themselves but if u know where to look than u can get an idea of their abilities. they for one belived the earth to be round, they could calcolate true circumference with out using pie, also founded the modern banking system that is used in most of the world today, just to name a few. like the egyptians they seem to have abilities that most in the modern world will not give them credit for.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2006 18:00 Post subject: |
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I've seen the documentary and to me it just seems like a bunch of guys having a good time, they filmed the cremation of care and although Jones was narrating over the top how evil everything was, to me it just seemed like a bit of theatre, they even have fireworks!
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2006 18:56 Post subject: |
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to me it just looks like he's sensationalizing an innocent rites ceremony.
I mean nobody is getting harmed here. are they? traditional ceremonies like this go on all over the place. and nearly always if you track back far enough the roots of it stem from pagan rituals and such, but today their meaning is lost.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Feb 2006 20:30 Post subject: |
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I love Alex Jones, great stuff. NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
Seriously he can be a bit crazy. He does take action. From privately owned toll roads, public access too banning the Patriot Act from Autstin. I personally consider him a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Feb 2006 09:54 Post subject: |
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| beeno wrote: | to me it just looks like he's sensationalizing an innocent rites ceremony.
I mean nobody is getting harmed here. are they? |
no, not during the ritual, that happens when they get back to business.
i agree alex does sensationalize, but he tends to stick to facts. he never says he has evidence of actual sacrifice, just effigy. the only thing that i know of that suggests actual sacrifice is a vague description that people think is of the Grove from a book called The Franklin Coverup (warning: disturbing).
http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/FranklinBookGrove.htm
here's an interview i found with Ralph Nader talking about the Grove:
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bohos/nader.html
oh, and an excerpt of the Nixon tapes where it's mentioned:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Feb 2006 10:02 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the links. The thing is whenever Alex refers to the sacrifices it is always "mock sacrifices", he doesn't even imply they are real. Also, I think Alex picks on the Grove is because he told people for years about it and they called him a nut. No one even believed these people were gathering at the Grove, till his video was released. Now they admit they meet but claim they don't talk policy. Yeh right!
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