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Frant
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vurt
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| Frant wrote: | | vurt wrote: | Really great!
Socialism 101.. hard to not think of my country in the scenes with total denial 
- "We must do something!"
- "You are delusional. You are most likely a fascist who hates our government, I can make your life very.. complicated."
This should be shown in schools. |
Wut, you've moved to North Korea?? |
Sweden is the north's North Korea. Above is the exact same as in Sweden.. Total denial + trying to get anyone who tells the harsh truth into trouble, calling anyone who opposes the Party or its extremist ideas as nazis, fascists or racists (no matter if its true or not).. this is an old communist tactic which still works really well.. Löfven started with SD, but now everyone who opposes him or The Party is blamed of being a nazi, even the other political parties. I predicted that this would happen years ago, it was just a question of when.
But please, let's not turn it into a political thread of 2 pages  PM and i'll answer instead, no one else will be interested im sure.
btw, was Skarsgård in this episode and i completely missed him? maybe he's not in yet.
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Frant
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 7th May 2019 23:11 Post subject: |
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wut? are you saying people who are voting for e.g SD arent called nazis all of a sudden, huh... That's new.. or that he didnt just call KD and M nazis / or "brown" (which is the same as extreme right/nazis)? You're either in denial or you are not following swedish politics at all. It shows socialism really well, and they do call it Socialism during this period (at least in the series), not communism  not that it's much different..
Sweden and EU are very totalitarian, anyone who's followed what plans they have for internet and freedom of speech has to admit that or again, they are in complete denial or are brainwashed by media to believe this is normal. Memes won't be allowed etc, very similar to other communist / socialist countries like China or North Korea.
PM if you want to continue, like i suggested, this is not the place for this yes, i know i started.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 02:19 Post subject: |
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@frant,
You have "nothing to defend"? haha ok. So you're fine with Löfven's party's past then.. i'd be pretty ashamed, but maybe it's because i'm not so very fond of nazi scum or of other jew hating cunts like Wallström or Reepalu..
Earlier this week i read that SSU together with Reepalu shouted "Crush the Zionism!" in Malmö. Any comment on that? Or that's just normal to you?
S and NMR are the real nazi / jew hating parties that we have here, and you know it (or you don't because you're too fucking dumb).
A party with a past of forced sterilization of minorities and homosexuals.. had a leader who was a chief for concentration camps for e.g communists... The vipeholm experiments etc.. i can continue with our PM's nazi father perhaps lol.. Nothing to be ashamed of at all, well of course, if you're a nazi perhaps, but otherwise you'd be pretty ashamed.. but now you're just gonna tell me you don't vote for S i don't care, you're still defending these jew hating, pro-islamist and pro-terrorist (/pro-Palestine) cunts.
SD's (no nazi past, unlike S im happy to inform) can be found here in good detail:
https://sbojerud.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/sd-rotter-ny-version/
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 03:05 Post subject: |
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SD = party sprung out of a neo-nazi movement, party members being exposed doing all kinds of racist and nazi-shit, cleaned up their outward appearance but most of it is still there, just hidden behind populism. There's no point in having a discussion over this (esp. not this thread) since you're soooo far right that anything "left" of Sweden Democrats are "socialist". Please, keep your opinion of me as some socialist far-left extremist if that makes you feel any better, I have nothing to defend in my case.
EDIT: this belongs above your post.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 03:18 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 03:20 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | SD = party sprung out of a neo-nazi movement, party members being exposed doing all kinds of racist and nazi-shit, cleaned up their outward appearance but most of it is still there, just hidden behind populism. There's no point in having a discussion over this (esp. not this thread) since you're soooo far right that anything "left" of Sweden Democrats are "socialist". Please, keep your opinion of me as some socialist far-left extremist if that makes you feel any better, I have nothing to defend in my case. |
Does the origin of something matter if their values today are completely different? I thought you to be above parroting typical media manipulation. Likely true about the origin, but the rest is probably nothing but conjecture. Typical svenario is one person saying something racist, and naturally this means they're all racists.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 03:51 Post subject: |
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I REMEMBER when the party was formed out of BSS among other ultra-nationalist and racist organizations in 1988. I've followed the 'change' and while they've cleaned out the nazi-skins and open neo-nazis they STILL keep getting caught with their pants down. And media manipulation? Please. I've read local and national news papers from many outlets, I've read so much on "alternative media" (fria tider, avpixlat and all the other sites, some of which are/were funded and ran by Sweden Democrats or via proxy), I've met and talked with Sweden Democrats, I KNOW people who vote for Sweden Democrats personally.
And of course the origin matters, esp. if it's a young party with deep roots in the brown swamp. A party can change but it usually takes a long time and that change is dependent on it's roots. A right-wing party doesn't suddenly decide to become left-wing.
They have, under the skillful Jimmy Åkesson, created a polished populist front in order to attract voters. Meanwhile a lot of the people in top positions within the party have been exposed multiple times. Some have resigned after having been exposed, others have been forced out (some to take a time-out until things around them die down). Unfortunately a rather large part of their voter-base have swallowed the new image (without knowing much about their past) and voted for them after being disappointed with the established parties. I don't believe that every person voting for the Sweden Democrats is a racist. I do believe they are misguided and very uninformed.
I could spend all night bringing sources, proof etc. from all sides of all fences but would it really change anything? No.
Do you know anything about the Sweden Democrats? Do you know about any of the many dozens of scandals and exposures that have taken place the last decade?
Here's a start:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=sverigedemokratern+som+l%C3%A4mnade+partiet
I don't really see a point in turning this into a serious discussion since vurt is so disingenuous in his posts and this topic tends to turn everything black and white and turning into a slug fest.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 20:22 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | And sverigedemokraterna doesn't have anything to do with their old roots. |
Yeah, no. That's not how it works, for any political party. |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 20:59 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | deelix wrote: | Svenske tilstander
Well, im sure the truth is somewhere between Frant and Vurt, but no matter how you see it, its a bad idea to take in that many refugees without a proper plan.
And sverigedemokraterna doesn't have anything to do with their old roots. Some conservative individuals might think so, but not the majority. Same goes for Norwegian Fremskrittspartiet. A lot of people in Sweden have had enough, and unless you go far right nothing happens. When some of the other political parties doesnt want to talk to them or acknowledge them as a political party... its kinda hard to have an open debate. |
I don't know where you keep up with Swedish matters. Things aren't like they were 4-5 years ago.
And how do you know both of us are on the "extreme" side of the spectrum? Do you know something widespread about Sweden Democrats that I don't? I mean, I called out vurt that used an actual self-proclaimed racist who liked the SS and had a high position in the Sweden Democrats as a defense against Sweden Democrats having anything to do with racism. I haven't been called out with facts or sensible arguments why my standpoint is wrong. I've just seen some opinions with no weight behind them. |
Well, I keep up with "Swedish matters" both via non biased media (Both Norwegian and otherwise) and a friend of mine from Sweden that is in the middle but thinks the circus around the last election was too dumb. Then he started sending me links to a lot of different TV debates in Sweden. And honestly, the debate about immigration is pretty much non existent. And being a nationalist/pride for their country is the same as being a racist. The only Swede here at the hump with guts enough to show his pride for Sweden is Ankh, and that seems sad. Sweden is (even today) a great nation
And where did I say extreme? Or even far left or right? 
But yeah, you seem left, Vurt seems right based on different topics here on the hump. And then again compared to USA standards right would seem like left.
If I lived in Sweden im pretty sure I would vote for SD. Not because I agree with everything they stand for, because nothing happens in Sweden... nobody has the guts to change whats happening with the immigration situation.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 8th May 2019 22:32 Post subject: |
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Nationalist and individualist with some alt-ideas (no, I can't list them since I'd have to wade through the forum to find the posts that formed my opinion). At least from what I've seen.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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Frant
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And for those who think Sweden is "We love Islam, please come and preach hatred and promote terrorism" (ps. these news comes from a Social Democratic leaning newspaper, ie. a leftist paper/outlet):
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/LAWv8R/imam-i-forvar-hos-migrationsverket
| Quote: | SÄPO (national security agency) have put an Imam into custody in order to minimize the violence-promoting that some Islamic leaders commit. Two other imams have been put in custody as well for the same reasons.
etc. just use google translate |
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Ad0zor/sapo-pa-offensiven-mot-svensk-islamism
| Quote: | SÄPO (national security agency) on the offensive against islamism in Sweden. Yet another imam have been taken into custody for promoting salafism and violence.
etc. just use google translate |
Islam was a very touchy subject 4+ years ago and the politicians didn't want to touch the hot potato. That has changed and islamists are constantly under observation and if caught with hate speech they're going to court.
Today:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/50W0eE/imam-atalas-for-hets-mot-judar
| Quote: | | Imam prosecuted for hate speech against Jews. "Jews are the offspring of apes and swines". The Jewish Assembly reported it to the police after which the Imam was charged with hate speech. |
I know some of my apparent opponents would try to make things out differently but things have changed, much thanks to IS and other terrorist organizations and the issue with returning warriors who joined IS. They're ALL under surveillance and we don't accept known warriors that are stuck in camps. The question now is about children that these dickheads had while in Syria and Iraq.
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