Chernobyl (HBO, 2019)
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I finally found the time to join the night shift supervised by lovely comrade Dyatlov, it was a really good ionized bath. Not quite as refreshing as HBO's winter graphite-based party but..close enough

All kidding aside, as far as mini-series go (and taking into account a bit of dramatization - though without overdoing it), it was honestly almost impeccable, especially when it comes to the purely technical aspects. The quality photography, direction, acting and the slow haunting soundtrack all managed to build up a believable grim atmosphere, which is what ultimately makes it a solid production with only ~3.6 faults per hour reported by our reliable communist dosimeter. Maybe it's not fully correct, but I thoroughly enjoyed the ride and that's what goes into the report.
Now I'll have to catch up with everything that's been posted in the thread like a naked miner Dude Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Jul 2019 08:07    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:


Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Jul 2019 13:44    Post subject:
I'm amazed at how HBO still manages to force nudity into any show they produce Laughing



1 and 2 are still amazing.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Jul 2019 14:29    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
I finally found the time to join the night shift supervised by lovely comrade Dyatlov, it was a really good ionized bath. Not quite as refreshing as HBO's winter graphite-based party but..close enough

All kidding aside, as far as mini-series go (and taking into account a bit of dramatization - though without overdoing it), it was honestly almost impeccable, especially when it comes to the purely technical aspects. The quality photography, direction, acting and the slow haunting soundtrack all managed to build up a believable grim atmosphere, which is what ultimately makes it a solid production with only ~3.6 faults per hour reported by our reliable communist dosimeter. Maybe it's not fully correct, but I thoroughly enjoyed the ride and that's what goes into the report.
Now I'll have to catch up with everything that's been posted in the thread like a naked miner Dude Happy


That dosimeter is faulty, you should get the good one from the safe! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Jul 2019 17:13    Post subject:
Take him to the infirmary, he's delusional. There is no safe! The condenser php lines here are at the Humps are mildly contaminated but I've seen worse. Not great, not terrible, we'll be fine.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Jul 2019 17:16    Post subject:
Thats the JackQenkov effect, perfectly normal.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Jul 2019 19:18    Post subject:
Yuri wrote:
I'm amazed at how HBO still manages to force nudity into any show they produce Laughing
I never excepted Chernobyl to brake the famous hbo 'running with the penises' record Surprised
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 09:17    Post subject:
I spent 2 nights with this show and I must say, as I was born a year after the incident and have spent my life living next to Mother Russia, I really enjoy the production value of this show. I'm not going to nitpick some minor details because they managed the get the big picture and overall tone just right.
It was just like how things were done during that time.
My uncle was part of the general cleanup crew and he described the whole thing pretty much like this. Too bad he is not around anymore (not a radiation issue), I think he would have enjoyed this show.

Amazing how ambition, secrecy and cheapening everything can really mess up life of thousands of people.


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 10:32    Post subject:
madmax17 wrote:
Yuri wrote:
I'm amazed at how HBO still manages to force nudity into any show they produce Laughing
I never excepted Chernobyl to brake the famous hbo 'running with the penises' record Surprised




1 and 2 are still amazing.
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 16:19    Post subject:
well, i am convinced now, most of the doomsday big picture was all just a face saving and anti communism and green politicians charade fueled by russians trying to make it look much worse then it was to save face and the americans gobbling it up and amplyfying it cause it suited them at that time, now 3 billion dollars later some people got rich of this dome construction and hundreds of thousands were affected, land confiscated, people relocated, but not for the reasons they portrayed.



ffs , if we had more nuke power plants, we would be in a much better spot then we are now, but cold war politics and green ploiticians seeying their opportunity and fear mongoring jumped on coal and oil cause it suited them (fear equals votes)

and even to this day dumb greenies MIT phd people dont get the science right and fear mongor ....

now we gonna hear about chernobyl again for the next twenty years in clean energy discussions cause of a tv series lol .
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 17:09    Post subject:
lol wut

Who is fear "mongoring" exactly "lol"? Nothing about this show is anti nuclear power. If anything, it's against communism and a culture of not taking responsibility.

Also, indeed, the countless observed and documented DNA mutations, human cancer and environmental damage is just a conspiracy by "leftist" "greenies" who want to see "nuke" power begone. Laughing Thanks "independent" utuber. Laughing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disaster)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Forest

Oh and daemn lefties and their anti coal greedies policies lol wut

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_the_coal_industry
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Ah, now I get it... (I saw the flat earth post first.) Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 19:39    Post subject:
it's not even anti socialist per se... it's just showing how the USSR's socialist dream was pretty rotten at its core...
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 22:56    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
lol wut

Also, indeed, the countless observed and documented DNA mutations, human cancer and environmental damage is just a conspiracy by "leftist" "greenies" who want to see "nuke" power begone. Laughing Thanks "independent" utuber. Laughing




U lack a sense of scale, it portrayed doom, doomsday, total multi continent destruction/inhabitability, and here u list a single forest, a few thousand increases of cancer that barely fit a statistical percentage/error. He totally debunked the doom scenario from my pov. And sofar those soldiers are not doing that bad all things considered. The death toll was remarkably low.

Ud have to eat tons and tons of the stuff to suffer consequences.
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We have a retard among us, a worthy contended, on the Q and KC level. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 23:49    Post subject:
well u know what they say about the person in an argument running out of things to say and having to switch to the personal insult level
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Jul 2019 00:36    Post subject:
Seriously dude, wtf is wrong with you.
Where the fuck do you even find that nonsense? Laughing


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PickupArtist wrote:
well u know what they say about the person in an argument running out of things to say and having to switch to the personal insult level


Well, yeah, ad hominem.


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"If you go threw the safety test step by step it was meant to cause an explosion" looooooool Laughing
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iT WaS TeH CiA Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Jul 2019 17:02    Post subject:
https://www.strata.org/stratasphere/s-energy/hbos-chernobyl/?fbclid=IwAR3Ok3sk0FZL6WvE_4jGTWfaDgHARNy2M7trvJkPfjZyj0Ln0OdmCYgLAhI

"Nuclear power is not only one of the safest forms of energy production, but it has less direct and indirect CO2 emissions than other sources of energy.13 It even has less CO2 emissions than biomass, hydro, wind, or solar.14 The radioactivity emitted from nuclear power plants is even less than that of coal power plants"

Well that is rather funky that they switch from mentioning co2 to radoactivity for the coal plants haha
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Jul 2019 18:08    Post subject:
One quick search shows that Strata is connected to the Koch brothers, who are invested in nuclear and fossil fuel energy.

Probably a coincidence.


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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Jul 2019 20:33    Post subject:
Coal is the worst, kills more people than the plague.

If you compare ANYTHING to coal you're gonna make it look good, oh guns are good, sugar is good, Trump is good.
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PostPosted: Wed, 3rd Jul 2019 22:05    Post subject:
Renewables doesn't only include sun, wind and water. Bioenergy is renewable but is nearly as pollutant as it's non-renewable cousins.

Quote:
According to the European Environment Agency, biofuels do not address global warming concerns. Biodiesel is made from vegetable oils, animal fats or recycled greases. It can be used as a fuel for vehicles in its pure form, or more commonly as a diesel additive to reduce levels of particulates, carbon monoxide, and hydrocarbons from diesel-powered vehicles. Biodiesel is produced from oils or fats using transesterification and is the most common biofuel in Europe. Biofuels provided 2.7% of the world's transport fuel in 2010.

Biomass, biogas and biofuels are burned to produce heat/power and in doing so harm the environment. Pollutants such as sulphurous oxides (SOx), nitrous oxides (NOx), and particulate matter (PM) are produced from the combustion of biomass; the World Health Organisation estimates that 7 million premature deaths are caused each year by air pollution. Biomass combustion is a major contributor


Deaths per year based on the form of energy production?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/494425/death-rate-worldwide-by-energy-source/

Yes, there's still the question of how we take care of the spent fuel but research and work has been done on that for many decades and there are certain ways to mitigate it or turn it into usable fuel again.

What's sad about Fukushima is that the stigma over Chernobyl had basically disappeared except among Greenpeace activists and old hippies until the Japanese power plant, geographically located where four different continental plates meet, grind against each other and cause massive earth quakes, tsunamis and so on finally was hit by the inevitable disaster.

Up until then scientific research into modern, much much safer nuclear technology was being made all over the world. After Fukushima the anti-nuclear movement rose from it's grave like a zombie resulting in the same old super-exaggerated fears. We're so close to being able to build reactors using new methods that nearly nullifies every risk of any kind of meltdown but research and development funding after Fukushima suddenly dried up. It seems The Netherlands is the only country that is actively working on a molten salt reactor in Europe:

"In 2019, a report was sent out that the Petten HFR reactor will be renamed to SALIENT and will become a thorium molten salt reactor.".

Canada is working on it, China started working towards building (and replacing it's ultra-polluting coal pp's) molten salt reactors, India is going full force with thorium based reactors and they have their own design etc. etc.

We entered the Generation 3+ phase ~2010 (ie. designs with extensively updated safety features; Chernobyl was a Soviet build and ran Gen.2 reactor and so was Fukushima). Generation 4 is expected to enter in ~2030 depending on what happens with research around the globe.

If nuclear research is stuffed in a box because of nuclear anxiety we may see Fusion power (~2050 estimate) remain a dream (and it's so far away I'll probably be dead by then anyway).


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PostPosted: Thu, 4th Jul 2019 00:44    Post subject:
Well, duh. It's extremely radioactive material meaning the unstable isotopes are constantly spewing ionizing radiation in the form of high energy particles of various types like alpha, beta and gamma particles (gamma radiation aka high energy photons is the most dangerous one since the particle moves at the speed of light and can penetrate most things).


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Why does this person keep bouncing up and down while talking? It's very distracting. He seems high on cocaine. Laughing
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fusion [/end of discussion]

too bad the ITER seems to be going nowhere Crying or Very sad
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