I am either a fucking idiot or a genius.
The chipset fan on x570 gigabyte elite board started to annoy me a little when it was turning on (very rarely), so I decided to lubricate it a little like You can do with normal fans.
I broke the hell out of this little piece of shit
So I took it off of there completely and also discovered that there is a thick plastic "aorus" artwork sticker covering the whole chipset heatsink. I've also took it off and now it's a nice, black heatsink.
Not only does it looks better now but temps are 2-3 c degrees lower
Why the hell are they putting active fans on there?
Because when the time comes to really use PCIe 4.0 a fan is probably needed to keep the PCIe 4.0 subsystem cool enough. No idea how you managed to break the fan to be honest. Did you even check what kind of bearing it was using? Sleeve bearings, Ball bearings (incl.dual ball bearings), Fluid dynamics? Sleeve bearing fans tend to be the cheapest and can develop a whirring/whining noise and they don't last as long.
*PC on idle* "My gpu doesn't need a cooler, it's the same temp without it!" *playing game, gpu goes poof*
That's 49c degrees after benchmarking and running nvme ssd.
By the time pcie 4.0 becomes a must I can just aim any normal fan at it.
OR hopefully someone will be selling replacement heatsinks with better design. if there were more fins, this thing would be running even better.
Right now, case airflow does better job than that shitty little rattling fan did
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Really clever. Take something out of context and reverse it... You always had an issue to read with understanding.
Apparently I am now an idiot for what? Because I took the fan and sticker off of a heatsink and discovered that the temps a little bit better? Is it forbidden to do this or what? Is it some obvious knowledge? Do You have this motherboard to know that this is such a bad idea that will ruin the motherboard and only an idiot would do it?
The only idiotic thing here aside from You is that motherboard manufacturers do not supply ANY spare parts for these motherboards. At least on those 2004 old mobos, the fans were replacable. Here it's a custom shape
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
Since you removed the sticker, you also removed the warranty, gigabyte sees it now as modified mobo Anyway, its probably 40mm normal chipset fan, Scythe and Noctua makes good very small fans, will be definately better what gigabyte uses. What goes for the fan itself in the chipset, there is one because they have skimped on the actual heatsink in search of gaming looks, if these would have properly designed heatsinks, it would be definately be enough for cooling, but that would add like 1$ extra cost per motherboard, so that is not option .
I don't care for warranty or fan really since it was small, inefficient and loud... The front intake fans cover it's area anyway. Heatsink looks better without sticker too
I've also checked more temps: chipset is idling at 46 to 48c. No cpu, memory or pci express benchmark stress test changes it. It is designed to run at a set clock. So x570 does not downclock.
What raises it's temperature is the gpu. During furmark the hot air blowing on the mobo raised the chipset temp up to 65c max with gpu at 75. I can still improve case airflow.
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
I was not making fun. Years ago I used a Geforce GPU without a fan for a year. When it works it works. If I had a x570 with a tiny fan, first thing I'd do is disable it to see how it works.
Really going to have to take a day after im done moving to test out the limits of this chip, think I have some decent sillicon here. 4.3ghz all core at 1.31v seemed no problem. I'd rather wait out a new bios before going all in, but seems more and more likely that might not make the end of the month.
Really going to have to take a day after im done moving to test out the limits of this chip, think I have some decent sillicon here. 4.3ghz all core at 1.31v seemed no problem. I'd rather wait out a new bios before going all in, but seems more and more likely that might not make the end of the month.
Really going to have to take a day after im done moving to test out the limits of this chip, think I have some decent sillicon here. 4.3ghz all core at 1.31v seemed no problem. I'd rather wait out a new bios before going all in, but seems more and more likely that might not make the end of the month.
How do you test out stability?
You shake it, shake it hard. Doesn't fall out? It's stable.
A few runs of cinebench first then IBT Linpack + AVX. Then some gaming. Witcher 3 f.e. I know you can run 24h blend test or small FFTs on Prime95, though I never could be arsed.
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Really going to have to take a day after im done moving to test out the limits of this chip, think I have some decent sillicon here. 4.3ghz all core at 1.31v seemed no problem. I'd rather wait out a new bios before going all in, but seems more and more likely that might not make the end of the month.
a 200 usd cpu with a 1200+ usd gfx card who would have thought it might be a bottleneck herp derp ...
i9 is still 500 usd aka (250%) more for barely 5-8%+ more frames, i like how intel probalby asked them to not mention the price of their cpu in the article lol cause its nowhere to be found
i think the conclusion is holy fuck, i can get 90% of the performance for 35% of the price
a 200 usd cpu with a 1200+ usd gfx card who would have thought it might be a bottleneck herp derp ...
i9 is still 500 usd aka (250%) more for barely 5-8%+ more frames, i like how intel probalby asked them to not mention the price of their cpu in the article lol cause its nowhere to be found
i think the conclusion is holy fuck, i can get 90% of the performance for 35% of the price
Did you really get those charts right? It shows that the i9 9900K is still ahead in gaming over the more expensive Ryzen 3900X. On the other hand, those extra 4 cores/8 threads will be of use for content creators and other applications where many-threads is useful.
i did ? by scraping barely 8% to 15 % ahead depending on which overpriced card , i just couldnt figure out paxsali his reaction , he didnt grasp the financials and got blinded by said graphs
id bring balance in the force by stating what a beast the 3600 is
If someone can afford a 9900K/3900X they can probably afford a 2070 Ti Super or higher and that's when charts like that show them useful information (although I'd personally need to check out a lot more benchmarks before drawing any final conclusions as well as wait for the Ryzen 3K bios/stability/performance issues to be ironed out) about whether to go for the 9900K or the 3900X as a pure gaming CPU. Then you have the fact that the 9900K should be able to hit 5GHz without much trouble. So far the AMD chips haven't shown much promise in the overclocking department but it's brand new silicon and things may change as the process is tweaked at the manufacturing plants.
The 3600 is in a different class altogether and shouldn't be directly compared with the 3900X/9900K. Many people do more than game though and unless you've got very deep pockets the Ryzen 5's are better value-for-money CPU's than the highest tier CPU's. It all depends on how much you're able/willing to spend on your PC. When you plan a purchase you should attempt to balance the CPU performance wise with a GPU that makes the most sense.
You're right in that with a set budget it makes more sense to spend a majority on the GPU and the rest on the CPU since CPU's of today are rarely if ever CPU-bound (unless you buy the cheapest low-end CPU's with 2c/4t or something) while the GPU is often the limiting factor. Since the 3600 has 6c/12t it's really a good choice for a mid-range CPU paired to a mid-high-range GPU like 1070 Ti/1080/1080Ti/1660/1660Ti/2060/superbleh etc.
(don't get me started on this whole super-duper-silly SUPER! strategy of nvidia).
If someone can afford a 9900K/3900X they can probably afford a 2070 Ti Super or higher and that's when charts like that show them useful information (although I'd personally need to check out a lot more benchmarks before drawing any final conclusions as well as wait for the Ryzen 3K bios/stability/performance issues to be ironed out) about whether to go for the 9900K or the 3900X as a pure gaming CPU. Then you have the fact that the 9900K should be able to hit 5GHz without much trouble. So far the AMD chips haven't shown much promise in the overclocking department but it's brand new silicon and things may change as the process is tweaked at the manufacturing plants.
The 3600 is in a different class altogether and shouldn't be directly compared with the 3900X/9900K. Many people do more than game though and unless you've got very deep pockets the Ryzen 5's are better value-for-money CPU's than the highest tier CPU's. It all depends on how much you're able/willing to spend on your PC. When you plan a purchase you should attempt to balance the CPU performance wise with a GPU that makes the most sense.
You're right in that with a set budget it makes more sense to spend a majority on the GPU and the rest on the CPU since CPU's of today are rarely if ever CPU-bound (unless you buy the cheapest low-end CPU's with 2c/4t or something) while the GPU is often the limiting factor. Since the 3600 has 6c/12t it's really a good choice for a mid-range CPU paired to a mid-high-range GPU like 1070 Ti/1080/1080Ti/1660/1660Ti/2060/superbleh etc.
(don't get me started on this whole super-duper-silly SUPER! strategy of nvidia).
What kind of assumption is that? You can save up to one of the upgrades at a time, like i've done.
I fail to see the relevance of your post. I didn't account for every scenario possible, only the ones I thought fit the context of that slide best in my opinion. Of course you can plan your upgrades in steps as well, I just didn't consider that in this particular instance.
When you run into a CPU limit with a 2080Ti you know you’re doing something wrong. The guy who buys a 2080Ti to play at 1080p is either a total nub or an eSports guy. If you read the charts right you see that all the CPUs deliver enough FPS for proper gaming and that there is NO reason to buy a 2080 Ti over a 2070S at 1080p, if the 2080Ti can deliver ONLY 10% more FPS on the same CPU. The 2080Ti is limited on all 3 CPU.
Now up the Resolution, where the 2080Ti shines and you’ll have less of a CPU bottleneck. Then magically the 9900Ks advantage will matter less and as a conclusion, the benchmark shows not much useful information at all.
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Anyway, its probably 40mm normal chipset fan, Scythe and Noctua makes good very small fans, will be definately better what gigabyte uses. What goes for the fan itself in the chipset, there is one because they have skimped on the actual heatsink in search of gaming looks, if these would have properly designed heatsinks, it would be definately be enough for cooling, but that would add like 1$ extra cost per motherboard, so that is not option 
