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Badrien
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 05:18 Post subject: |
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eeeewww, why? dx12 delivers in 99% of all cases slightly better fps but always way better min fps and frametimes (for nv cards, the difference is even with a 5700 there but not that huge). dx12 is clearly the better choice atm
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 05:30 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | eeeewww, why? dx12 delivers in 99% of all cases slightly better fps but always way better min fps and frametimes (for nv cards, the difference is even with a 5700 there but not that huge). dx12 is clearly the better choice atm |
Not as far as this game is concerned, sorry. My settings were posted back, now, same settings, grants me -20 fps when using DX12?, switch to Spock, and all those sweet frames return 
Riddled is DX, like the OS, riddled with shit.
Maybe DX detects that I'm using LTSC, and because of the lack of Telemetry to MS, they have capped my frames when trying to use DX12? 
Who knows?, who fuckin cares?
It runs sweet on Spock for the moment, and I still see no reason to downgrade to the 20XX series.
Anyway, so good is this game, dying is not an option, it's way too easy now, but it's just a joy to play and control properly, a marvel at what it does, it sucks you in, if you let it, and fulfils all my boyhood dreams
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Badrien
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Location: Netherlands
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 08:31 Post subject: |
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After reading online I was expecting the worst performance wise, gotta say I was pleasantly surprised. Played a few hours and so far it uns like a dream 60+fps with no stutters (3700x/2080) on mix of ulta, high and some medium on 4k with 5/6 render scale. It looks amazing
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 10:49 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | | Janz wrote: | | eeeewww, why? dx12 delivers in 99% of all cases slightly better fps but always way better min fps and frametimes (for nv cards, the difference is even with a 5700 there but not that huge). dx12 is clearly the better choice atm |
Not as far as this game is concerned, sorry. My settings were posted back, now, same settings, grants me -20 fps when using DX12?, switch to Spock, and all those sweet frames return
Riddled is DX, like the OS, riddled with shit.
Maybe DX detects that I'm using LTSC, and because of the lack of Telemetry to MS, they have capped my frames when trying to use DX12?
Who knows?, who fuckin cares?
It runs sweet on Spock for the moment, and I still see no reason to downgrade to the 20XX series.
Anyway, so good is this game, dying is not an option, it's way too easy now, but it's just a joy to play and control properly, a marvel at what it does, it sucks you in, if you let it, and fulfils all my boyhood dreams |
Some people run the game better with Vulkan, some with DX12. They run pretty much within margin of error for me but DX12 crashed more often. Plus Vulkan feels more responsive. Though in Vulkan I have to enable DirectInput instead of RawInput else there are these weird stutters when holding Shift.
Unless they already fixed that, haven't checked yet.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 11:09 Post subject: |
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DX12 gives me the same maximum FPS and about -10/15FPS avarage less than Vulkan, but the funny thing is that every stutter is completely gone in DX12 compared to Vulkan.
There might be a bad implementation (no shit, Sherlock) specificaly on Vulkan regarding CPU usage, hopefuly this will get fixed somehow
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 11:14 Post subject: |
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| DaLexy wrote: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUrbciPfX6k |
Console settings (not final, but close enough):
| Quote: | Texture: Ultra
Anistropic: 4x
Lightning: Low
Global : Low
Shadow: High
Far Shadow: High
SSAO: Medium
Reflections: Low
Mirror: High
Water: Medium
Volumetric: Custom <- Lower than the lowest setting on PC
Particles: Medium
Tesselation: Medium
TAA: Medium
FXAA: Off
MSAA: Off
Graphics API: Vulkan
Near Volumetric: Low
Far Volumetric: Low
Volumetric Light: High
Unlocked Volumetric: Off
Particle: Low
Soft Shadows: High
Grass Shadows: Low
Long Shadows: Off
Full Res SSAO: Off
Water Refractions: Medium
Water Reflections: Medium
Water physics: Mid
Res Scale: Off
TAA Sharpening: Off
Motion Blur: On
Reflection MSAA: Off
Geometry LOD: FULL
Grass LOD: 1/5
Tree Quality: Low
Parallax: Medium
Decal: Medium
Fur: Medium |
30 fps.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 11:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 12:25 Post subject: |
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Read a number of pages of this thread and haven't seen any reference to a lack of beta testing this game.
Most every problem you all are having is found in beta tests.
That is the only reason i did not preorder because I knew (as like most games today) there were going to be huge problems due to lack of a large beta testing community.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 12:34 Post subject: |
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Huh? Beta test was done by the consolies 
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 13:33 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | I have only one issue now and it's an odd one. Every few hours or so the movement will go jittery despite the fact the FPS isn't dropping. You can stand still and the trees, animals, humans etc all move perfectly but if you move the mouse at all it goes all shitty, until you stop and it's perfect again. It lasts for a few seconds each time
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switch mouse controller from Raw to DirectInput
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 13:40 Post subject: |
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start mission, ctd before checkpoint
start mission, ctd before checkpoint
start mission, ctd before checkpoint
start mission, ctd before checkpoint
start mission, ctd before checkpoint
start mission, ctd before checkpoint
start mission, ctd before checkpoint
Fuck this game.
Edit:
restart in safe mode.
Past ctd point.
Wait for night rest, it's a long mission it seams.
Assumed check point was past.
Restart game to get out of safe mode.
Nope, back again at starting mission.
Fuck. I just wanna f5, fuck this console piece of shit.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 13:58 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | | Huh? Beta test was done by the consolies |
Well, the more one reads the more it seems that this version has as many (or maybe more?) issues than the derpsole version had 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Il_Padrino
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harry_theone
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 14:56 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 15:02 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | Don't have noticeable problems with this game. No crashes, no stuttering, no hitches. Sure fps is not too high, but I wasn't expecting that anyway, and at least it's smooth. I had a similar experience with Arkham Knight. All in all, I guess I'm very lucky with with my little gaming laptop
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What gpu does your laptop have? |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 15:06 Post subject: |
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| Badrien wrote: | | I caved =( |
weakling 
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 15:14 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | DaLexy wrote: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUrbciPfX6k |
Console settings (not final, but close enough):
| Quote: | Texture: Ultra
Anistropic: 4x
Lightning: Low
Global : Low
Shadow: High
Far Shadow: High
SSAO: Medium
Reflections: Low
Mirror: High
Water: Medium
Volumetric: Custom <- Lower than the lowest setting on PC
Particles: Medium
Tesselation: Medium
TAA: Medium
FXAA: Off
MSAA: Off
Graphics API: Vulkan
Near Volumetric: Low
Far Volumetric: Low
Volumetric Light: High
Unlocked Volumetric: Off
Particle: Low
Soft Shadows: High
Grass Shadows: Low
Long Shadows: Off
Full Res SSAO: Off
Water Refractions: Medium
Water Reflections: Medium
Water physics: Mid
Res Scale: Off
TAA Sharpening: Off
Motion Blur: On
Reflection MSAA: Off
Geometry LOD: FULL
Grass LOD: 1/5
Tree Quality: Low
Parallax: Medium
Decal: Medium
Fur: Medium |
30 fps. |
Which console? |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 15:18 Post subject: |
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Il_Padrino
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 15:32 Post subject: |
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Still no crack, no fix by Rockstar...no progress.great!
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 16:03 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | | DaLexy wrote: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUrbciPfX6k |
Console settings (not final, but close enough):
| Quote: | Texture: Ultra
Anistropic: 4x
Lightning: Low
Global : Low
Shadow: High
Far Shadow: High
SSAO: Medium
Reflections: Low
Mirror: High
Water: Medium
Volumetric: Custom <- Lower than the lowest setting on PC
Particles: Medium
Tesselation: Medium
TAA: Medium
FXAA: Off
MSAA: Off
Graphics API: Vulkan
Near Volumetric: Low
Far Volumetric: Low
Volumetric Light: High
Unlocked Volumetric: Off
Particle: Low
Soft Shadows: High
Grass Shadows: Low
Long Shadows: Off
Full Res SSAO: Off
Water Refractions: Medium
Water Reflections: Medium
Water physics: Mid
Res Scale: Off
TAA Sharpening: Off
Motion Blur: On
Reflection MSAA: Off
Geometry LOD: FULL
Grass LOD: 1/5
Tree Quality: Low
Parallax: Medium
Decal: Medium
Fur: Medium |
30 fps. |
Which console? |
Xbox One X
But the joke is that a 2080ti can barely keep up with 4K60 at those settings, while an Xbox One X, which has a much, much, much slower CPU and GPU, holds 4K30 pretty consistently, even in the New Orleans city (whatever the name was). The DF cwowns are gushing about the options, but the game is just not optimized well for PC. They should have focused on optimizing, rather than adding diminishing results "salability". The game look fantastic on Xbox One X, and they should have put that (or a little above it) as the highest settings, and optimize those to run as fast as possible. |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 16:15 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: |
Xbox One X
But the joke is that a 2080ti can barely keep up with 4K60 at those settings, while an Xbox One X, which has a much, much, much slower CPU and GPU, holds 4K30 pretty consistently, even in the New Orleans city (whatever the name was). The DF cwowns are gushing about the options, but the game is just not optimized well for PC. They should have focused on optimizing, rather than adding diminishing results "salability". The game look fantastic on Xbox One X, and they should have put that (or a little above it) as the highest settings, and optimize those to run as fast as possible. |
the xbox x keeps 30 frames because it uses more than half the settings on low and lower than possible from the pc version, some mediums and 4 or 5 settings from high. The game holds 60 pretty constant with a puny radeon 580 from years ago at 1080p and these settings. Lookings at this, the pc version has a load who knows how many times higher than consoles. They did an exceptional job. The game isnt unoptimised, it offers much much more than consoles. It requires extra performance, of course.
You're asking for them to gimp the game on consoles levels as max, but we can already make it as xbox x - most on low and a few on medium. It should run about the same, theres no magic on the xbox version. We have a bunch of extra settings for every hardware
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 16:19 Post subject: |
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Are you sure the Xbox 1 x is rendering 4k30 or is it like 900p upscaled to 4k ^^
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shimec
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 16:23 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 16:33 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: |
Xbox One X
But the joke is that a 2080ti can barely keep up with 4K60 at those settings, while an Xbox One X, which has a much, much, much slower CPU and GPU, holds 4K30 pretty consistently, even in the New Orleans city (whatever the name was). The DF cwowns are gushing about the options, but the game is just not optimized well for PC. They should have focused on optimizing, rather than adding diminishing results "salability". The game look fantastic on Xbox One X, and they should have put that (or a little above it) as the highest settings, and optimize those to run as fast as possible. |
the xbox x keeps 30 frames because it uses more than half the settings on low and lower than possible from the pc version, some mediums and 4 or 5 settings from high. The game holds 60 pretty constant with a puny radeon 580 from years ago at 1080p and these settings. Lookings at this, the pc version has a load who knows how many times higher than consoles. They did an exceptional job. The game isnt unoptimised, it offers much much more than consoles. It requires extra performance, of course.
You're asking for them to gimp the game on consoles levels as max, but we can already make it as xbox x - most on low and a few on medium. It should run about the same, theres no magic on the xbox version. We have a bunch of extra settings for every hardware |
The settings above are the closest to XOX that DF found, and are the ones they use to run at 4K at the end of the video, where a 2080ti is struggling. The game may offer more settings and higher fidelity, but it's just diminishing results in terms of visual quality, at a great expense of performance. But that's not the point. The point is that even at console level settings, the game still struggles on much superior hardware. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 16:33 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | Are you sure the Xbox 1 x is rendering 4k30 or is it like 900p upscaled to 4k ^^ |
Yes, I'm sure. |
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