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Lutzifer
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well, for one thing, the wild animals actually live how they are supposed to live. Check out Ted Nugent, he only eats meat that he himself has hunted and killed. The suffering and inhumanity of mass-production usually lasts the whole live for the animals. Look at the boot-camp chicken-industry. Or the transportation-issues with pigs and cows. And so on.
I m just saying that it is hypocritical to be against one, while doing the other
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Feb 2006 10:33 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | so, you re still discussing this, but at lunch-time you happily wolf down a burger or two?
If you have been to a slaughterhouse or have seen footage of it, you ll know that nearly always animals are suffering. The stench of death makes most of them insane and many arent dead when they get chopped up. So dont be all high and mighty and say, fur is bad, meat is good. Both lead to immense suffering for animals worldwide. Just look at how many animals die because of fucked-up transportation.
I wont go into the ethical side of it, as it s an argument that is based on axioms you have to choose for yourself and which arent self-evident or proofable to be right.
But there are different reasons why killing animals for food is wrong:
] the energy-argument: Feeding animals is bioenergetically bad, as the energy in grain is edible by humans themselves and if you d stop feeding the animals, you could easily feed the whole planet. Bam - No more famine! Even a reduction in meat-production would help alot. This excludes animals mainly in mountainous areas which are fed with gras which isnt edible by humans anyways. In that sense this argument is mainly tailored against mass-meat production as you lose over 90% of the energy compared to giving it to the people directly
] one health argument: The meat of today is unhealthy because of its mass-production, leading to antibiotics and other stuff in your meat that is undesirable. Diseases like mad-cow, scrapies bird-flu and the like are also likely to be either caused by bad animal foods (mad cow) or being helped by the bad shape the animals are in, because of the boot-camp like upbringing making the imune-systems susceptible to sicknesses usually thwarted by the animals.
] another health argument: eating huge amounts of meat is unhealthy as the human digestive system is that of a vegetarian. The teeth arent predator-like and the digestive tract is far too long in comparison to carnivores. This meanst that the meat is staying too long in your body (7-12h) in comparison to carnivores (2-4h) which means it s rotting inside your body, leaving poisonous material especially in your colon, which is the leading cause of colon-cancer. Vegetatians never get this.
] yet another health-reason: As with the rotting thingy, all meat leaves different kinds of material inside your body. Especially eating intestines liver leads to certain diseases. Pork for example often leads to arthralgia. On a side-note, eating alot of meat also makes people way more aggressive.
So in short. Eating meat is not the natural nourishment for the human digestive system but as with dairy products evolution seems to have favoured those that could digest meat also. In small amounts it can be healthy but eating it daily is surely bad for most of the people, especially those that dont get physical workout everyday at their jobs. If your job is physically taxing, eating meat daily might be healthier, but in all other cases it s most likely not.
So fur or no fur, consider changing your diet 
Thats my two cents on this. |
ive been to some slaughterhouses ...
Im not really sure how u could even link the two...
Althou it really depends on the country i guess.. and all the meat i buy is of local origin so im happy with it
Dont get me wrong... being in a slaughterhouse is not the nicest thing ... but its NOTHING AT ALL .. like that video
THe slaughterhouses ive been to are in all fairness quick and painless .... the worst thing would be the stress involved in transport...
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Feb 2006 21:39 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | well, for one thing, the wild animals actually live how they are supposed to live. Check out Ted Nugent, he only eats meat that he himself has hunted and killed. The suffering and inhumanity of mass-production usually lasts the whole live for the animals. Look at the boot-camp chicken-industry. Or the transportation-issues with pigs and cows. And so on.
I m just saying that it is hypocritical to be against one, while doing the other |
That again, all depends on where u live. In canada, we have some strict ass regulations on chickens, pork and especially beef...the beef industry is HUGE in Canada and is heavily regulated, well, from what I understand.
See, I agree with that 'eating what u kill yourself' ideal. But if everyone did that, moose, deer, elk etc would all be fuckin extinct in a matter of years.
As long as the cows get fed properly, exercise, proper grooming and sleep facilities, Im good. I dont think any animal should have to suffer, even if its bred for food.
Im not too big on chicken as of late. Unless its my friend's mom who's cookin it, best west indian style chicken you'll eat.
See, I was at the local KFC the other day and was waiting in line, looking around and stuff. a) I saw a few pieces of chicken fall from the tray thing and the guy just threw them back in b) someone ordered a bucket of chicken and I guess didnt have the money so the delivery guy brang it back and they just dumped it into the chicken bin thing...thats nasty, like the chicken has been handled a couple of times, colder than the rest, been outside etc c) in the 15 mins I was there, I never once saw the cook wash his hands...
I know thats only one place, but man, u dont fuck around with chicken since it naturally carries bacteria - free range or not (free range are usually worse too).
Believe it or not, I am really picky when it comes to food. I hate eating food that is "off" just a lil...some ppl can say leave pizza or chinese food in the fridge for a couple of days and still eat it. I either eat it when I buy it or later that nite...if there is some left the next day, i eat it first thing in the morning, if I leave it till dinner, its too nasty to eat.
And those ppl who can drink spoiled milk...? yuck. I was at a friends house one time, playing basketball (in the summer) and we needed drinks. So we go inside and he knows I love milk so he pours me a glass...I take one sip and I can kinda taste the sourness and the thickness of the milk, like a few more hours and it would be totally bad. I put the glass down and told him, he looked at me and kept drinking his milk, saying it wasnt completely spoiled yet.....SO NASTY
Goddamnit Lutz, if u ruined chicken for me....  Im gunna email all them legal whores in germany and tell them not to service u no more!!  you have the vegan VD!
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Feb 2006 01:35 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Goddamnit Lutz, if u ruined chicken for me.... Im gunna email all them legal whores in germany and tell them not to service u no more!! you have the vegan VD! |
hahahaha, sorry
btw., chicken was the last thing i used to eat, before i became vegetarian, so i can understand your pain |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Feb 2006 02:01 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | Quote: | | Believe it or not, I am really picky when it comes to food. I hate eating food that is "off" just a lil...some ppl can say leave pizza or chinese food in the fridge for a couple of days and still eat it. I either eat it when I buy it or later that nite...if there is some left the next day, i eat it first thing in the morning, if I leave it till dinner, its too nasty to eat. |
I wouldnt call pizza or chinese food that has been in the fridge for 1-2 days "Off"  |
exactly my point 
to me thats just fuckin nasty you know? I know its still good...but like...its not even left overs then, its like...old and cold...nasty  |
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