Half-Life: Alyx [VR]
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 17:29    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
I don't know, €600 for Rift S isn't a good price (cheapest price in Sweden). Vive Cosmos is almost €1000 here. Laughing


It's cheaper than that. https://www.pricerunner.se/pl/1469-4934587/VR-Virtual-Reality/Oculus-Rift-S-priser

5790 sek to euro = ~545. Come Black Friday it might be 500?

On Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07PTMKYS7/ it's ~450. Black Friday maybe it will be 400?

You can also look into used. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oculus-rift-s-vr-headset-Barely-used/123982686362

Currently at ~350, barely used 2 month old, seller has 100% positive feedback.


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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 17:37    Post subject:
Amazon shipping and tariffs will probably make it even more expensive than buying it locally. I don't want to spend that kind of money on VR at any rate. If I had more disposable income I might get into that kind of toys but I fear I'd get bored after a few weeks/months.


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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 17:38    Post subject:
Nope on the Amazon shipping. It's GBP 11.49 to ship, not ~150 euros as you might have thought Laughing


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"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 18:12    Post subject:
It does look like the Index is the best one to go for for picture quality, and lets face it, the eye candy has to be good. It's a hard decision to make in the end...


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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 18:34    Post subject:
I really prefer Vive Pro over Index for "picture quality", Valve's LCD displays just can't compete with AMOLED. That being said, Index really shines with that 135 degree FOV and voodoo speakers that don't touch your ears. All comes down to personal preference.
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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 18:55    Post subject:
Colors and contrast are better on OLED indeed, but the technology comes with its own shortcomings.

But in motion there's 144 Hz on the Index vs 72-90 Hz on others (including Vive Pro) too to take into account Smile


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 19:27    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
Colors and contrast are better on OLED indeed, but the technology comes with its own shortcomings.

But in motion there's 144 Hz on the Index vs 72-90 Hz on others (including Vive Pro) too to take into account Smile

I was skeptical having owned dk1,2 and cv1 but LCD on Rift S blows those out of the water. On OLED, black smudged a lot and had these weird green dots (moira effect?). So the best use was to disable the totally black effect on cv1 which was pointless it being oled.
On Rift S LCD, the picture is much more uniform, brighter and pixels have more filling square RGB layout. I do not want to go back to quest oled...
so if Alyx will be the next coming of christ, I will have to buy Rift S again Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 19:51    Post subject:
why did u sell it in first place ? Razz, also keep in mind, even if the game is a hit, ur waiting 2-3+ more years for other publishers to catch up and make their vr games, meaning a whole new generation of vr is out again by that time , possibly 4k if next gen consoles can pull it off
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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 19:58    Post subject:
I buy every headset, toy with it for a month, see that there are no interesting games, see that it's sweaty as always and uncomfortable and then sell it Razz
So hype buy / realistic sell Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 19:59    Post subject:
Also OLED are also pentile panels, so you throw out of the window some of its resolution.

Here's a video comparing Rift S (LCD) vs Quest (OLED) with Link, two pretty similar devices otherwise:




Does the OLED (top) have better colors and contrast than the LCD (bottom)? Yes. But say hello to SDE, which is much harder to spot on the LCD panel (I don't see any in this screenshot in fact).


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 24th Nov 2019 20:45    Post subject:
One thing about the Rift S I like is the fact that no sensors have to be mounted in the room, that's a big bonus. I really hope it is a success for Valve to be honest. I want a VR version of L4D !!


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2019 20:18    Post subject:
Rift S for €399.00 brand new and free delivery: https://www.amazon.de/Oculus-Rift-PC-Powered-Gaming-Headset/dp/B07PTMKYS7/

Very Happy


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2019 21:29    Post subject:
You guys provided some nice info about VR HMDs. Thanks.

Mythril wrote:
One thing about the Rift S I like is the fact that no sensors have to be mounted in the room, that's a big bonus.

I assume its a worse solution though. The convenience is a plus of course Smile

This particular discussion should perhaps switch over to a VR thread Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2019 22:50    Post subject:
I had absolutely zero tracking issue so far with my Rift S.

I think I won't go back with external sensors anytime soon Wink


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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 08:05    Post subject:
Is it me or is the Samsung Odyssey+ only available in the US?
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 08:16    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:
Is it me or is the Samsung Odyssey+ only available in the US?

who ever you go with, it's probably going to be a pain in the ass to get. one of the major reasons I ended up with a Vive as it was THE only headset.

i legit have no idea why there is no worldwide shipping of hardware for the majority of vr headsets.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 08:25    Post subject:
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-Wireless-Controllers-XE800ZBA-HC1US/dp/B07HS7R1RT/

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1437424-REG/samsung_xe800zba_hc1us_hmd_odyssey_windows_mixed.html

Samsung Odyssey+ for 229$ and both ship internationally with full import tax handling.
Not a bad deal!


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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 09:15    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 09:24    Post subject:
Surray wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-Wireless-Controllers-XE800ZBA-HC1US/dp/B07HS7R1RT/

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1437424-REG/samsung_xe800zba_hc1us_hmd_odyssey_windows_mixed.html

Samsung Odyssey+ for 229$ and both ship internationally with full import tax handling.
Not a bad deal!


Sounds like a very unfomfortable vr headset.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 11:01    Post subject:
I dunno, is it? Didn't read any reviews or anything.
I only know the display is quite good and it looks like it uses the same mechanism as the PSVR which is perhaps the most comfortable headset I ever used.


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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 11:40    Post subject:
Rift S is shit in exhibition usage, it forgets play area like 10 times in a day, its very sensitive to lightning and other people, shame, its amazing otherwise.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 11:48    Post subject:
It's apparently the best in it's price range sadly.

Better to wait for the inevitable new generations that pop up right when Alyx releases.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 13:00    Post subject:
Lol no. In just 3 months? I don't think so. Right now the company is investing big into the Quest, because it's been selling well for them. They will release their own PC cable in the near future and also bring some finger tracking to it. Carmack is also working on maxing out the quality of the video signal when using the cable. They won't release these updates and render them useless at the same time by announcing a new headset.

Will we see a refresh at some point? Yes.

But no "true" next gen headset is coming from Oculus until 2021-3, earliest: https://uploadvr.com/oc6-next-gen-not-soon/

Unless one wants to wait until then, now is a good time as any to jump in.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 13:50    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
Lol no. In just 3 months? I don't think so. Right now the company is investing big into the Quest, because it's been selling well for them. They will release their own PC cable in the near future and also bring some finger tracking to it. Carmack is also working on maxing out the quality of the video signal when using the cable. They won't release these updates and render them useless at the same time by announcing a new headset.

Will we see a refresh at some point? Yes.

But no "true" next gen headset is coming from Oculus until 2021-3, earliest: https://uploadvr.com/oc6-next-gen-not-soon/

Unless one wants to wait until then, now is a good time as any to jump in.


Well luckily there are other companies than Oculus

Also didn't Carmack step down as CTO and only remained in a consulting position?

Pretty sure he is working on some AI stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 14:12    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 15:14    Post subject:
He said exhibition usage. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Does he want to use it in trades?


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 15:29    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:
consolitis wrote:
Lol no. In just 3 months? I don't think so. Right now the company is investing big into the Quest, because it's been selling well for them. They will release their own PC cable in the near future and also bring some finger tracking to it. Carmack is also working on maxing out the quality of the video signal when using the cable. They won't release these updates and render them useless at the same time by announcing a new headset.

Will we see a refresh at some point? Yes.

But no "true" next gen headset is coming from Oculus until 2021-3, earliest: https://uploadvr.com/oc6-next-gen-not-soon/

Unless one wants to wait until then, now is a good time as any to jump in.


Well luckily there are other companies than Oculus

Also didn't Carmack step down as CTO and only remained in a consulting position?

Pretty sure he is working on some AI stuff.


He tweeted couple of days ago:

"I am hoping to add a new mode that takes full advantage of USB3.1 bandwidth, but that would be months out before it could hit users."

"I have a couple plans to work around it. Note that the current versions isn’t at the 835 limit, we reduced the resolution for better encoder compatibility on the pc side. That will be going back up as we get more data."

And other companies are not competing on that price range. WMR are not as reliable tracking wise, Valve is doing high end, and the rest are expensive, not great support, niche, etc. Eg targeting 8K, max FoV, etc.

I think we won't see a device that obliterates the Oculus products for at least a year, i. e. well after HL:A's release.

And as for their comments for true next gen headsets being years away, those go for the whole industry, not just them, they are talking about the evolution of technology.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 17:40    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
It's already 400. https://www.amazon.com/Oculus-Rift-PC-Powered-Gaming-Headset-pc/dp/B07PTMKYS7/

There are deals for 300: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Oculus-Rift-S-PC-Powered-VR-Gaming-Headset-NIB/323985704676

There will be more deals next week (Black Friday).


quick follow up

you can currently get the Rift S in Germany for 344€ from

https://www.caseking.de/en/oculus-rift-s-virtual-reality-headset-gavr-070.html

(international shipping c.f. https://www.caseking.de/ckShippingcosts)
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 17:44    Post subject:
Surray wrote:
I dunno, is it? Didn't read any reviews or anything.
I only know the display is quite good and it looks like it uses the same mechanism as the PSVR which is perhaps the most comfortable headset I ever used.


Quickly checked a few. Seems it's very heavy on the forehead which makes it very uncomfortable after a few hours. And it generally fits badly on some heads. Otherwise it seems to be amazing.
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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Nov 2019 18:36    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
quick follow up

you can currently get the Rift S in Germany for 344€ from

https://www.caseking.de/en/oculus-rift-s-virtual-reality-headset-gavr-070.html

(international shipping c.f. https://www.caseking.de/ckShippingcosts)


That's not the price I see now, so presumably the deal is over. Great price for however long it lasted though!

It's still 399 on Amazon.de and free delivery.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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