Saw em too.They spread the Covid, together with 5G.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
Honestly though, I think they clutter the night sky. I never had issues with spotting satellites once in a while or even the ISS. But those things? Meh too much..
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
On that video they are still grouped, I guess its the recent launch. A week from now its already harder to spot.
When I saw the first group of satellites I already needed to use my binoculars and they were spaced out quite a bit more... was a few days after launch if I remember right. Not that much different from all the other satellites in the sky, which you can spot with the naked eye if you stargaze a lot but still most would need at least binoculars.
Ofcourse if the sun hits them just right, you'll have an easier time spotting these things.
But yeah my first reaction seeing videos like that was 'cool' but also 'that's fucking up my night sky".
Billionaires fucking up the night sky for the rest of humanity...
Still cool to watch though, but the novelty will wear off. These pieces of metal will orbit the planet for the next decades/hundred years.
I'd rather watch the actual stars, even though I've never been able to see it properly, even, with the light pollution.
Maybe you don't give a shit, that doesn't mean others don't.
And... it's not like we NEED satellites for internet if they'd actually invest in fiber.
That being said, for me as an amateur... there won't be any problems with Starlink as I said above. They'll be more spread out and in higher orbits after a few days which does a lot with visibility. That doesn't mean there aren't concerns for optical astronomy by researchers though.
SpaceX at least listens somewhat to the scientific community and is experimenting with different materials and coatings and other things. But there's going to be more companies up their pretty soon and I don't see something like Amazon listening/care as much.
those are next to fuck up the night sky , in the year 2220 and i thought this was new footage of so many satelites together at same time in space, so newswhorthy
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I mean sure, ignore me talking about the scientific community, the unwillingness of fiber investment, the overpopulation of those satellites because more companies wanting their own net with even less thought towards research.
Huge benefit to society is exaggerated. More like huge savings/profits for billionaires will be the common drive. There are other means, does that mean I am against any net up there? No, but to downplay it as you do, is not the way either.
Just some people's hobby ey. Even though I clearly said, for us hobbyists there's less of a problem (if it stays with one global net).
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the satelites themselves are not the issue, debris from old ones and shit wer left in space will eventually lead to the kessler effect
where the earth will be surrounded by a field of debris moving at the speed of bullets surrounding the earth trapping us within earth destroying every satelite in orbit
As far as I remember the Starlink ones won't be adding to the debris problem. They have a lifespan (propellant) for 5 years at which they de-orbit. One last burn speeds up the de-orbit.
As to other spacejunk, there has been more investment/research in ways to remove it lately.
Because small and limited amount of propellants. They are also on a low orbit (due to: better signals) I'm sure they calculated the most efficient way in the way they wanted to do things.
It ain't a bullet any more if you match its position and velocity no?
I mean sure, ignore me talking about the scientific community, the unwillingness of fiber investment, the overpopulation of those satellites because more companies wanting their own net with even less thought towards research.
Huge benefit to society is exaggerated. More like huge savings/profits for billionaires will be the common drive. There are other means, does that mean I am against any net up there? No, but to downplay it as you do, is not the way either.
Just some people's hobby ey. Even though I clearly said, for us hobbyists there's less of a problem (if it stays with one global net).
You are moving goalposts, up until this moment you only mentioned that stars will be less visible. And I was only referring to this. I imagine smarter people than us figured out they can still have rocket launches etc, otherwise they would not permit this.
And sure, of course fiber is better, but if it was as viable they would have already done it.
And yes, it's crazy that sending hundreds of rockets into space is more viable than putting fiber around 3rd world countries (Uganda, India, USA etc)
You seriously need to read better. I have never said stars will be less visible.
And... changing goalposts? Wut? I did mention those things in the post that came before the one you quoted.
Mostly: I had a problem with your 'hur dur hobby' crap. When I already said it wasn't a problem for me. It's right there in my third post.
On the fiber viability we can have different views. I am of the belief that for the majority it is and that its more about the unwillingness to invest in it than the satellites being the better option.
anywho:
Here is what the observation posts see:
That's not a global net yet and just the one company at it.
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and i thought this was new footage of so many satelites together at same time in space, so newswhorthy
wtf is this now, throw away satelities like mobile phones ? wtf is that shit ? why ? they cant sustain their own orbit longer?
