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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Apr 2020 17:24    Post subject:
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Apr 2020 17:47    Post subject:
11 and 13 and 15 core obviously
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Fri, 1st May 2020 17:19    Post subject:
They cannot put more cores to their existing design with these kind of clocks, or else it will require sub zero cooling, wonder how hot this will run.
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2020 07:26    Post subject:


https://www.techspot.com/news/85144-amd-next-gen-zen-3-compatible-amd-b550.html


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2020 08:40    Post subject:
But 3000 Series CPUs are supported on X370 just fine.


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2020 08:52    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
But 3000 Series CPUs are supported on X370 just fine.


Isnt that an unofficial support created by mb manufacturers?


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2020 13:42    Post subject:
There is nothing unofficial about that. Its not like manufacturers concocted some unofficial update. MB manufacturers chose to update their boards. They probably didn't update them all since Ryzen 3000 seem to have slightly higher TDP. AMD officially said AM4 would be compatible until 2020 but its up to the mb manufacturers if they want to update their boards or not. And many X370 mobos got the latest AGESA updates. Allthough I chose to stay on my 1700X until Ryzen 4000 hits and I get some cheap second hand Ryzen 3000 to get me going for another couple of years.


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escalibur




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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2020 15:03    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
There is nothing unofficial about that. Its not like manufacturers concocted some unofficial update. MB manufacturers chose to update their boards. They probably didn't update them all since Ryzen 3000 seem to have slightly higher TDP. AMD officially said AM4 would be compatible until 2020 but its up to the mb manufacturers if they want to update their boards or not. And many X370 mobos got the latest AGESA updates. Allthough I chose to stay on my 1700X until Ryzen 4000 hits and I get some cheap second hand Ryzen 3000 to get me going for another couple of years.


According to AMDs material it is unofficial. That doesn't mean that they are not working but 100% compatibility, features and support in the future is all one single question mark. Smile I'm glad that it works.


ps. Meanwhile at MSI there is a Desperation campaign coming out:

https://www.techspot.com/news/85152-msi-offering-up-50-steam-credit-upgrading-z490.html

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First rise the prices then give 'free' Steam credits. Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2020 16:09    Post subject:
Too bad, was hoping the DeskMini A300 will run a 4000 APU... Crying or Very sad Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 8th May 2020 16:17    Post subject:
Whatever. This is silly either way. It works so its all good.


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escalibur




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 10:30    Post subject:
Finally AMD desktop CPU with integrated GPU:

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-4700g-desktop-renoir-processor-with-vega-graphics-spotted


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 14:17    Post subject:
i dont understand why a cpu core cant be programmed to do both tasks, just with a bios switch, ud set one core to gpu tasks so u have like 1 core and thread for gpu tasks to just process a basic image to boot the system to install and do office/youtube stuff

sure it will suck for games but thats not the point of having a igpu on a desktop for now, the idea is to save on power from a gfx card or have a backup in case the gfx card dies

like for real, we used to have videocards 25 years ago that ran with 1-4 megabytes of vram ... and did full hd resolutions and divx movies without any isseus. U telling me that shit from 20 years ago cant be simulated on a regular cpu core from today ?

i think we are being scammed having to pay more for igpu as an extra hardware that could be solved with software

Also i see signs many companies like msi are expecting a massive depression in the economy trying to grab as much cash as they can right now
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 20:41    Post subject:
Cpu = Central processing unit
Gpu = Graphics processing unit

The answer is no.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 20:48    Post subject:
u telling me we cant emulate a 20y old gpu that needed 1 meg of vram to work, but we can emulate pretty much every console ever made ?
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 20:50    Post subject:
How you are going to emulate video output without physical video output.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 20:52    Post subject:
many motherboards have said output vga/dvi built in these days because for a long time not so long ago mostl intel cpus had the igpu cooked in wetter u wanted it or not
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 20:57    Post subject:
Yes but that video output requires gpu to work Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 21:41    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
i dont understand why a cpu core cant be programmed to do both tasks, just with a bios switch, ud set one core to gpu tasks so u have like 1 core and thread for gpu tasks to just process a basic image to boot the system to install and do office/youtube stuff

sure it will suck for games but thats not the point of having a igpu on a desktop for now, the idea is to save on power from a gfx card or have a backup in case the gfx card dies

like for real, we used to have videocards 25 years ago that ran with 1-4 megabytes of vram ... and did full hd resolutions and divx movies without any isseus. U telling me that shit from 20 years ago cant be simulated on a regular cpu core from today ?

i think we are being scammed having to pay more for igpu as an extra hardware that could be solved with software

Also i see signs many companies like msi are expecting a massive depression in the economy trying to grab as much cash as they can right now
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Why didn't anyone came up with this already?! You show 'em, buster!


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 22:15    Post subject:
We can emulate GPU using Threadripper 3990X. It is powerful enough to run Crysis in barely 20fps without GPU.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th May 2020 22:17    Post subject:
but thats just cpu software rendering in games, thats existed as long as the first games came out hehe.
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Tue, 12th May 2020 12:05    Post subject:
shimec wrote:
We can emulate GPU using Threadripper 3990X. It is powerful enough to run Crysis in barely 20fps without GPU.


Good luck with VRAM speed. Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th May 2020 16:10    Post subject:
will it melt ?



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Janz




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PostPosted: Wed, 13th May 2020 22:05    Post subject:
heat protection is handled by the bios and in this case just disabled. the cpu throttles at much as i cant to not overheat. you cant kill modern cpus by using it without a cooler, they will just slow down
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th May 2020 23:14    Post subject:
Oh where are the days of the Athlon CPUs - emitting as much heat as a small sun and a failing fan (which was not uncommon back then) could cause it to die in less than 10 seconds with no BIOS override.
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PostPosted: Sun, 17th May 2020 00:14    Post subject:
Just a dumb questiion. Do you think MoBo companies (ASUS in this case) would send , for example, recently made X570 mobos with the latest BIOS installed in 'em (say in this case the X570 PRO's 1407) to sell at retailers to save you the time and dramas to update the BIOS to a newer version?

I'm saying this because i've seen some people arguing that their non-OC'd X570 (i think) would not reach the 3200mhz that the mobo can reach without OC'ing it out.

Then there's this BIOS update that's said to have AGESA 1.0.0.5 to fix such issue.. But what if you don't have such update and you have 3200mhz'd RAM (like the text below) ?. Would it still boot or will it cause boot issues?

I'm saying this because yesterday one of my RAM sticks died and had to buy a CORSAIR LPX 2x16GB 3200Mhz CL16 (Because same model as i have are not created/sold anymore) and wondered if , whenever i buy a X570 board (To save the BIOS/RYZEN cpu change drama) with a 3700x (price drop) or 4000 series ( if better) , i won't have to mess up with the whole BIOS thing etc..

Yep, planning to jump one day from my 6700K to something better..One day..


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PostPosted: Sun, 17th May 2020 00:25    Post subject:
Just update the bios, it takes like 2 Minutes once you downloaded the file and put it on a stick.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20th May 2020 08:33    Post subject:
scaramonga wrote:
Order placed.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i9-10900k-s-1200-comet-lake-10-cores-20-threads-37ghz-53ghz-turbo-20mb-cache

I need not worry about cooling Wink


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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ZC4y1H7NC/


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