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 Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 09:47 Post subject: Winning XI 9 - BC (NForce acting against the scene) |
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It has long been argued by sceners that sites like nforce and isonews act against the interests of the scene by publicising key information, something denied by the owners of the sites.
It is undeniable, however, that the majority of the users of these sites are p2p 'kiddies' who contribute nothing whatsoever to the scene and are themselves the greatest single threat to it.
There is now, however, undeniable proof that nforce acts against the interests of the scene as it has published sensitive information in the World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 International - BC nfo on the main page.
Do you really think you are acting in the scene's best interests by publishing information that leads to the identification and address of a PC group leader?
Who are you going to cry to when your releases dry up, because you guys certainly aren't up to the job of providing squat
Spud
PS anyone who knows who i am knows that i make a contribution and if you don't know me that's good as i don't want people who do nothing for the scene knowing who i am
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 09:57 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 09:59 Post subject: |
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3 considerations:
-yep nforce and isonews are no helpful at all to real sceners. sites just make releases more public, enlarging p2p and thereforse putting the groups at risk. warezing something for sceners only or for anyone with an internet connection make all the differences in the world...
-if the informations on mirror are true than it's a shame. releases will reach p2pboards a way or another, but a group posting release on p2p is not something nice to see. i understand that after the busts there was space in scene and any kid thought "hey, i can start my own group and clone games... i'll be l33t!!!!!!!oneoneoene" but they should really consider their safety
-knowing that nfos are posted everywhere bc also acted like asses. why including this information in a game release nfo? if they really feel the need to do this they could have written a warning nfo, that would've never been posted on nforce.
there was a nfo like this talking about itwins 3 months ago, exactly the same but few noticed since it was a mere warning nfo with no release attached.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 10:04 Post subject: |
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I know the scene has many strict rules about pretty much anything, but nFORCE has been going for years. Why has not any of the different groups complained to the owner (as far as I know), then?
I don't think that ultimately posting nfo files lead to the identification and address of a PC group leader or his arrest, because they go through so many middle men before ending up here. No, I think that groups and leaders of groups has been arrested in the past because they are sloppy about security.
About the World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 International info, I think that is more the fault of the group releasing it than anything else. Again, it's sloppy security for their part. I'm sure the FBI are snooping around at top domains and high end FTP sites and having moles in various groups, blaming it on nFORCE is just wrong.
That's my 2 cents anyway.
EDIT: Oh, and as the nfo proclaimes the Mirror leader actually posted most of the crap himself, he also is a moderator for several p2p network sites. That's like shooting yourself in the foot and it just proves my point.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 10:05 Post subject: |
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nforce just posted the nfo they cant be held resposible, why should they have to censor shit?
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 10:30 Post subject: |
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I agree with that, the scene has rapidly changed over the years. Nowadays there is 90% clone releases which you need to use emulation tools and shit to even test the game, and only 10% cracked (if that!).
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 11:00 Post subject: |
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well now u know how lame and unsecure is DEViANCE too, since Bc is the clone grp of DEVIANCE, they are mad since mirror lefts them and now see what happen
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 11:03 Post subject: |
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Why does this retarded argument come up every other month?
It's always the same arguments always followed by the same hypocritical answers.
Anybody with a brain should know by now that
1) the scene is there to spread warez and to earn "fame" from the general public. Stop whining about P2P already, that's like throwing money into a group of people and asking them not to use it in the "real world". After all they are called "releases" because something that gets released will be available to all.
2) Why the fuck should nforce be harmful to the scene? As if the FBI or any other law enforcement agency needed some stupid NFO site to bust someone. Again its a childs argument that Nforce draws attention to the scene. The releases are what draws the attention to the scene.
So if you don't want your precious release to be spread via P2P or posted on Nforce, guess what, just don't release it! Obviously there wouldn't be any "leet credit" for that so people opt to get their stuff out. Deal with the consequences.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 11:07 Post subject: |
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ANYWAY it LOOKS like from a Flamewar to a I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE war .
Groups that do that are SIMPLY LAME , and don`t blame NForce for a lame group act
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MAD_MAX333
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 11:20 Post subject: |
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for fuck sakes... the groups WANT ATTENTION from us.. Honestly now, do you people think that the groups want to keep the rlses for people who help the scene??? How many people is that in top groups?? 100? 500? 1000??? for god sakes the WANT to be known as the group that cracked a certain game, if they didn't they would encrypt all files and keep it among themselves...
nforce and isonews don't do shit, fbi could care less about us, p2p kiddies have school to hear about kazaa and mirc and the groups have a choice to stop their work if they are too afraid...
so sick of these arguments...
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Spun[k]
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 12:03 Post subject: |
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We are all attention whores. Lets just get on with our lifes should we?
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 12:16 Post subject: |
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uhm what exactly is the "scene" then? If everyone who downloads releases are p2p newbies then why even have a scene? we are the demand for the supply.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 12:59 Post subject: |
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... hmmm
Last edited by ShadowX on Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 13:15; edited 3 times in total
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 13:00 Post subject: |
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scene is groups spreading releases between themselfs and racing to crack stuff first or used to be now its who can release the clone first 90% of the time.
just because you have access to some topsite with group affills and pre-releases go on there dont make you part of the scene either it makes you a leech so dont kid yourself unless you think spreading releases makes you part of the scene
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 14:04 Post subject: |
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wateevr is stated in that nfo is to inform the scene where mirror actualy affils so they can take precaution that is how it works, ever heard of Scene notice? i didnt have to read that nfo , it's not new to me as i knew all this already about him , he is the one who posted all is shit on the internet in p2p forums now why the fuck would anyone do that? if he's dumb enought to post is pic and a adress open on the internet then he is dumb enought to make alot more mistakes, they should be banned...
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Weedo
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 14:15 Post subject: |
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If i am not wrong there is a game here.....
Have anyone seen this?
Any big differences?
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Brisk
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 14:25 Post subject: |
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Oh the scene... Respect for the crackers, but the main reason of the existence of the scene is that people can get the rels on p2p. If not - the scene would be obsolete.
11th "Thou shalt not flash"
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pancake
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 14:36 Post subject: |
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| Mr_Baggins wrote: | | the main reason of the existence of the scene is that people can get the rels on p2p. If not - the scene would be obsolete. |
lol
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 14:39 Post subject: |
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scene bull shity 99% ; game info 1%
hmmm  OK need a info about the game and NOT a SCENE war news m`kay
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 15:15 Post subject: |
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so.. maybe some1 will delete these info about mirror from nfo ?
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 15:55 Post subject: |
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leave the nfo there for awile , to make sure everyone takes precuations , btw all mirror ip's were loged on that last bust on the site they affil that box was raided , ither way they are fucked sooner or later. " better be safe then sorry "
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 16:02 Post subject: |
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| BRISK#1 wrote: | | (pes5 serial works for this release also btw). |
Wicked!
Leeching now. I'll let u guys know if there are any differences.
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agree with you 100%
