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Ke1N




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Aug 2020 17:00    Post subject:
Valve says the time it takes to download Microsoft Flight Simulator won't affect refund requests

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-says-the-time-it-takes-to-download-microsoft-flight-simulator-wont-affect-refund-requests/

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We asked Valve about the issue, and VP of Marketing Doug Lombardi replied. "The time it takes your machine to download the additional content will not be counted against the Steam Refund Policy," he wrote in an email.

"We are working with Microsoft to see if we can improve the download experience," Lombardi also told us, though he didn't elaborate further.
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zmed




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PostPosted: Thu, 20th Aug 2020 22:03    Post subject:
So...you know how the default scenery for London is rather...bare bones? Lots of iconic landmarks flat out missing (pun half intended), what's there is surrounded by dodgy terrain height maps?

You know how one of the very first paid add-ons is in fact London from OrbX? I'll just leave this here.Laughing
(He starts out by showing the default scenery buildings, then switches to the OrbX pack.)
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 01:52    Post subject:
We know^^ Old news!

They tried to cash grab, and copy/pasted FS1964 scenery, whilst making the excuse of, they didn't want to cause us performance problems, lol, so they are apparently fixing it Rolling Eyes

Personally, MS should get rid of them, that would be the right thing to do Wink, but, hey ho.


On another note:

LOL! https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/microsoft-flight-simulator-review/

Not as good as Dragon Age 2 then? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 17:00    Post subject:
https://twitter.com/hutchinson/status/1295971529633574912

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7,300 people watching @brucegreene and Boon take a nap while piloting a 16 hour flight from LA to Dubai in Flight Simulator what a time to be alive


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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 17:16    Post subject:
You'd rather have them watching Fortnite?
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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 18:28    Post subject:
Interinactive might want to try this local action:

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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 18:39    Post subject:
I don't understand why this game doesn't have DX12 (yet). There should be a massive CPU boost.
This coupled with DLSS 2.0+ then it should run well even on midrange systems.
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Amadeus




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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 18:40    Post subject:
i don't know

its pretty heavy on the CPU to begin with
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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 18:44    Post subject:
Even fucking Limmy is streaming it Laughing

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/716874845
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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 18:47    Post subject:
A wee bit pish innit? Razz
Did not know he was a 'streamer'.


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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 18:53    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:
i don't know

its pretty heavy on the CPU to begin with


Yet it's only using like 50-60%
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 19:02    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
A wee bit pish innit? Razz
Did not know he was a 'streamer'.


Me neither, only noticed because I wanted to check out flight sim, and he was the first recommendation.
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zmed




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PostPosted: Fri, 21st Aug 2020 23:26    Post subject:
Just a couple screenshots I captured this evening.

They are thumbnails, clickable for full res.


Little meadow I found near Queenstown, New Zealand.


Lake Wakatipu, New Zealand.


Wanjala Mining airstrip near Mt. Kilimanjaro.


Flying over the savanna near Kilimanjaro.


Foggy morning near Yamagata, Japan.


Climbing over Sendai, Japan.


View from Queenstown Airport runway, New Zealand.


Antarctic wasteland (no aerial photo, it's buggy as all hell from up high).


Perpetual night in the Arctic.


This last 3 are mid-flight between Sendai and Yamagata, Japan.



Even the jankyAF bing satellite imagery used is a welcome upgrade over MFSX placeholder scenery. Sure, that mining airstrip is as low-res as it can be, but it's still recognisable from what I saw on google maps.
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 01:32    Post subject:
Jesus that looks real. Nice screenshots!


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 01:58    Post subject:
zmed wrote:
Just a couple screenshots I captured this evening.

They are thumbnails, clickable for full res.


Little meadow I found near Queenstown, New Zealand.


Lake Wakatipu, New Zealand.


Wanjala Mining airstrip near Mt. Kilimanjaro.


Flying over the savanna near Kilimanjaro.


Foggy morning near Yamagata, Japan.


Climbing over Sendai, Japan.


View from Queenstown Airport runway, New Zealand.


Antarctic wasteland (no aerial photo, it's buggy as all hell from up high).


Perpetual night in the Arctic.


This last 3 are mid-flight between Sendai and Yamagata, Japan.



Even the jankyAF bing satellite imagery used is a welcome upgrade over MFSX placeholder scenery. Sure, that mining airstrip is as low-res as it can be, but it's still recognisable from what I saw on google maps.


legit or pirated?

I want to get into this, but i guess i need a joystick. Any recommendations? Not super expensive, but not cheap either.
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 02:02    Post subject:
I bought this. Then I refunded it.
I SOOOOO wish that I enjoyed just flying around. I really do because those screenshots look amazing.
I had to try it out because of the "tech".
But just flying around isn't for me sadly.
I need a little more game to it. If it were like American Truck Simulator where you delivered cargo or whatever and had some progression I would have liked it. BUT I KNEW it was a sim and didn't contain that before i got it.
I guess the last real "sim" i liked was Longbow. I freaking loved that.
I also like VTOL for my VR.
I can certainly see what people get out of it that are pillots, wannabe pilots, or plane lovers.
The sim looked great to my eyes visually.


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 02:42    Post subject:
but if it includes the whole world and all airports , dont they fuck themselves over with no meaningfull dlc ? I guess only adding planes, or can modders add planes also ?
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 04:12    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
but if it includes the whole world and all airports , dont they fuck themselves over with no meaningfull dlc ? I guess only adding planes, or can modders add planes also ?
FS has included the "whole" world and "all" airports for a looong time already but it does/can do so only to a certain degree:

The ground textures are good to great where decent Bing coverage exists. Less so everywhere else.

Buildings are either default non-custom autogen, AI created models based on photogrammetry or handmade objects (of which there are obviously not an insane amount).
Tokyo Tower for example is a huge skyscraper in the sim, because that's what the AI decided made sense. (Not looking forward to our robotic overlords...)

Similarly with the airports. Most of them just have the more or less correct layout with generic autogen buildings instead of realistic handmade ones.

There is a lot of things 3rd party addon developers (and to a lesser extent Asobo themselves) can bring to the table.
Let's not even talk about study level aircraft the likes of PMDG. (Of which the 777-200LR/F for FSX for example costs $89.99 with a $29.99 expansion pack available, btw).

The SDK is open to everyone. Commercial or not. Albeit not quite finished yet.

P.S. Jesus Christ, the clouds in this can be insanely good looking. To the point where this may as well be Cloud Simulator 2020.


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 04:48    Post subject:
Cloud Simulator 2020 Laughing


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zmed




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 07:47    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
legit or pirated?

I want to get into this, but i guess i need a joystick. Any recommendations? Not super expensive, but not cheap either.

Legit. I use the game pass route, $1 for the first month. I'd say it was a bargain. I tend to burn out on sims well before 4 weeks, so I doubt I'll renew my subscription after the discounted period. Razz

And for an entry level flight stick I recommend the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X. The cheapest hotas out there that is still good enough quality to be enjoyable. Had mine for years and never let me down (not like I use it that often, but still).
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 09:18    Post subject:
As this sim isn't ready for "serious" liner/IFR stuff, for now.

Did you guys try the Bush Trip activities yet ?
VFR/Bush flight is where the sim really shine right now.
Bush activities have really nice navlog with detailed indications and "lore" stuff about your flight path and scenery you are about to visit, and a non-following VFR map to spice things up.
(there is still a cheat button if you got lost, but fuck your achievement then)

Some tips though :
- you have to land and STOP on each runways to validate a leg (wait for the windows to open)
- then, click on "continue to next step" for a seamless experience
- refuel is fucked up (gas station / fuel truck don't work)
- in order to refuel, you have to map the misc "repair and refuel" hey in settings and use this "cheat" for now. (I use it only on airfields with fuel truck/station and once on a parking spot just to satisfy my simmer experience.)

Enjoy Smile


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 14:43    Post subject:
headshot wrote:
lot having issues oh dear Laughing



Hahah this video is hilarious!!!!


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 17:03    Post subject:
todd72173 wrote:
headshot wrote:
lot having issues oh dear Laughing



Hahah this video is hilarious!!!!


Well. He is wrong about not getting a refund. I had 10 hours on the clock and explained it took over 7 hours to download in my notes with auto refund on steam and got my refund with no problem.


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 18:45    Post subject:
You can be both right. Shocked


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 19:45    Post subject:
we had some very nifty clouds and cloud covers already in 1998 (check 2min in)

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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 19:49    Post subject:
Laughing

I guess you didn't play this one. If you're talking down the clouds. Razz


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 19:52    Post subject:
but can u write words in the clouds like them jets make lines in the sky is the real question Very Happy where is the first flight sim cloud dick pick!!!
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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 20:23    Post subject:
I tried it out for a bit. Can’t say about the sim part. Having been on small aircraft with an instructor, it certainly feels that way. But I guess it would be alot more immersive with a yoke.

But investing in the tech and the premium price of the game? Not sure, especially since the standard edition includes hefty upgrade options and you‘re better off just buying the premium for 100€ on some keysite.

The downside for me are the gfx, at least partly. When you‘re flying closer to the ground, the textures and terrain look like garbage. And the performance is shit too. Granted you can get into some places and specific settings that look awesome but the mix between shit and awesome hurts my eyes. Is this better with the online version? I‘ve only tried Hoodlum.

Also, it seems to me they could have massively expanded upon the training part of the game. I feel like for the premium price, there is alot of wasted potential here.

Bottom line: I‘m not convinced. Its fun but it doesn’t live up to the hype. Maybe it does for the pro Sim players.


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PostPosted: Sat, 22nd Aug 2020 20:52    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
The downside for me are the gfx, at least partly. When you‘re flying closer to the ground, the textures and terrain look like garbage. And the performance is shit too. Granted you can get into some places and specific settings that look awesome but the mix between shit and awesome hurts my eyes. Is this better with the online version? I‘ve only tried Hoodlum.

Yea, with the blackshark ai streaming its better than the built in offline world.


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