Ok. Sadly XBox game pass doesn’t work here in LU, so I can’t try that out. Maybe I‘ll just wait for a sale then.
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OH for sure, but for 1000ish feet low level flying, the lowest you can fly by FAA regulations, its pretty damn good I think. With some major cities good for a few hundred feet or closer.
Its leaps and bounds above what xplane/fsx/what have you, offer.
This is where I am flying around right now. Just some random area of japan, not one of the popular/famous hand made city or anything.
(how do you embed steam images?).
These are on medium settings. If I put it on ultra its a lot better..but I get 20fps.
So I run on medium with ultra clouds
But Id agree, if your not a flight sim type (or fancy the idea of wanting to pretend to be one) not much worth the price for you.
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OH for sure, but for 1000ish feet low level flying, the lowest you can fly by FAA regulations, its pretty damn good I think. With some major cities good for a few hundred feet or closer.
Its leaps and bounds above what xplane/fsx/what have you, offer.
This is where I am flying around right now. Just some random area of japan, not one of the popular/famous hand made city or anything.
(how do you embed steam images?).
These are on medium settings. If I put it on ultra its a lot better..but I get 20fps.
So I run on medium with ultra clouds
But Id agree, if your not a flight sim type (or fancy the idea of wanting to pretend to be one) not much worth the price for you.
Yea you can tell it only had mediocre satellite images of the area you're in and their system guesses where buildings should be, placing generic 3d-models in their stead.
That's why New York looks great, just using good satellite imagery with a 3D map applied
but Paris looks like ass for the most part because, again, its filled with mostly generic placeholder 3d models.
If all you get is a satellite images of a city that you cant see because the whole place is filled with these generic repeating building models that look same'ish it becomes very video-gamey and reminiscent of older flight simulators.
You can kinda predict it by going to bing maps. If a place has an aerial view that looks sharp even on the closest zoom its gonna look great ingame. If it gets kinda blurry it'll look meh ingame.
Paris = blurry/blocky on closest zoom.
New York = sharp.
Cant guess a 3d map for those blurry satellite images or rather it'd look like shit. Hence the need for the generic buildings.
That wasn't even the worst part, it took me 10 minutes to reach the main menu and seeing my PC trying to run the game at Medium details was like watching an episode of Blacked Raw starring an inexpert teenager. See you in a distant future, nuFlight Sim
It's the best looking flight sim ever made. What the hell do you guys want, ray-traced photo-quality of every single building in the world?
Sometimes I think the Hump really exists for people to bitch about every single game ever made, now and the future.
Gotta agree! And BIG TIME!
It's fantastic looking, there can be no doubt about it, a marvel at times, and we should be lucky to enjoy it, although, I detest it's MS The in-game content is way over-priced, that is my only gripe, I mean, 20+ for a plane?, come on?, talk about milking it! This would be a shame if it turned out to be like the 'SIMS' franchise, cashing in on all levels, just because the 'hard-core' players will pay whatever.
Apart from that, no problems, game runs fine, and as I said before, I hate Microsoft
I fly same route, so 'cache it', makes a whole lot of difference
It's the best looking flight sim ever made. What the hell do you guys want, ray-traced photo-quality of every single building in the world?
Sometimes I think the Hump really exists for people to bitch about every single game ever made, now and the future.
Gotta agree! And BIG TIME!
It's fantastic looking, there can be no doubt about it, a marvel at times, and we should be lucky to enjoy it, although, I detest it's MS The in-game content is way over-priced, that is my only gripe, I mean, 20+ for a plane?, come on?, talk about milking it! This would be a shame if it turned out to be like the 'SIMS' franchise, cashing in on all levels, just because the 'hard-core' players will pay whatever.
Apart from that, no problems, game runs fine, and as I said before, I hate Microsoft
I fly same route, so 'cache it', makes a whole lot of difference
For the record, I am not saying the game itself doesn't have a few... concerns... but denying the graphics are true NexGen® is just taking the piss for the sake of it.
This game in VR may cause confusion in my cerebral cortex due to the lifelikeness of the scenery. Assuming it runs more than 5 fps that is...
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It's the best looking flight sim ever made. What the hell do you guys want, ray-traced photo-quality of every single building in the world?
Sometimes I think the Hump really exists for people to bitch about every single game ever made, now and the future.
The issue is simply that Bing maps has terrible quality for most areas of the world compared to Google, and Google is not even the best in this space, but its the best free service.
If I can barely see my house from Bing Maps, obviously FS 2020 is going to have pretty weird AI results, and surprise surprise it does.
I don't mind the graphics at all though.
My main criticism of FS 2020 is that we've lost missions and failures from Flight Simulator X, which was half the fun in the game in my opinion.
It's the best looking flight sim ever made. What the hell do you guys want, ray-traced photo-quality of every single building in the world?
Sometimes I think the Hump really exists for people to bitch about every single game ever made, now and the future.
The game looks great overall but the buildings are a complete letdown and totally break the experience for me. I'd rather have no builings than some big ass completely unrealistic buildings rendered. Yet Bing already has a lot of bird eye view that could've been used to generate some proper models, such as https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=192510fb-153f-44d3-aa01-ce260dfe0dd8&cp=38.679706~-122.888044&lvl=20&dir=180&style=g&v=2&sV=2. That'd be great. Even better combine with street side although that'd probably be a nearly impossible task. But better buildings, especially with the builings sizes, should've been done right.
Well, it's a flight simulator. The world generation was just a bonus or trap and many people have fallen for it. I would say that what they accomplished is a remarkable feat, despite the obvious issues.
My main problem with the game is the abysmal performance.
Well, it's a flight simulator. The world generation was just a bonus or trap and many people have fallen for it. I would say that what they accomplished is a remarkable feat, despite the obvious issues.
My main problem with the game is the abysmal performance.
What's your rig?
Btw. if this thing attracts millions of people because of how well the world can look maybe It's not a bad idea to put emphasis on that. Flight Simulators were always a niche product and this thing is primed to rake in more than previous Flight Simulators did combined in it's first few months.
bart5986 wrote:
The issue is simply that Bing maps has terrible quality for most areas of the world compared to Google, and Google is not even the best in this space, but its the best free service.
What's are some examples of services that do a better job than google? Sadly I really only know bing maps, google maps, apple maps etc.
Well, it's a flight simulator. The world generation was just a bonus or trap and many people have fallen for it. I would say that what they accomplished is a remarkable feat, despite the obvious issues.
My main problem with the game is the abysmal performance.
As this sim isn't ready for "serious" liner/IFR stuff, for now.
Did you guys try the Bush Trip activities yet ?
VFR/Bush flight is where the sim really shine right now.
Bush activities have really nice navlog with detailed indications and "lore" stuff about your flight path and scenery you are about to visit, and a non-following VFR map to spice things up.
(there is still a cheat button if you got lost, but fuck your achievement then)
Some tips though :
- you have to land and STOP on each runways to validate a leg (wait for the windows to open)
- then, click on "continue to next step" for a seamless experience
- refuel is fucked up (gas station / fuel truck don't work)
- in order to refuel, you have to map the misc "repair and refuel" hey in settings and use this "cheat" for now. (I use it only on airfields with fuel truck/station and once on a parking spot just to satisfy my simmer experience.)
Enjoy
I repost this here, since it seems it was completely ignored ...
Go do Bush flights ffs ! And stop parking near houses to see if textures are Uber-hires or something within a few inches !
That said, as much as I enjoyed the Nevada bush trip with the Savage Cub, the 2 others trip with G1000 equipped aircraft's kinda kill all the joy.
Too bad we can't choose the Savage / the C152 or the Shock Ultra the for all Bush trips.
So anyways, go try these bush trip, and come back telling me this game sux, I dare you.
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The only thing they missed by a mile was the missions, i think a lot of people, myself too, would have played it a lot more if the missions were there, i put a lot of time into FSX doing the missions and then exploring as a sidenote. But in this case its purely exploration, the bush and landing challenges are there but they arent the cool missions u had in fsx.
Ill try the bush challenges as i havent, but indeed the performance is all over the place, at the beginning i get 100% cpu usage and 15 fps. It does some work and then it goes to 60fps. but it really takes a bit to complete whatever its doing. And midflight sometimes it restarts. Kind of annoying.
Why it appeals to me I think, the missions in FSX or the random mission generator in x-plane I never did. Now I only have 300-400 hours in each so I'm not a hardcore flight simmer, just like to fancy myself one when the urge strikes.
But I like flight sims for the concept behind I'm not rich (well..well off enough to own a little plane), so I cannot go to the local airport and fire up my plane to go for a relaxing weekend flight. If I had the money I would totally own a cessna or beechcraft and just go flying once a month or so, flight sims let me do that. And lets me do it anywhere in the world, even if I had a plane I would be stuck to my home area.
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Afaik flying sailplanes irl is not that expensive. Depending on where you live the glider pilot license is more expensive than a car license but not by that much. (it's 2000-3500€ here)
And there are clubs where you can rent a plane relatively cheap and go flying on weekends.
Must be great to fly a one, enjoying the vista and very silent compared to a motorized plane, I'm thinking about getting a license eventually.
Again, it simply isn't FEASIBLE to have every house rendered in high resolution graphics. Bing is not ideal, sure, but Google maps are no different (And they're much older in some cases) - besides, what you see in the maps is NOT what you see in the game - the AI creates the graphics ON THE FLY, which is then stored to your local cache - excluding the handcrafted 3d models of course - and when viewed from, y'know the same height AS AN AIRPLANE - they look exceptionally convincing.
To complain that the graphics are not a 1:1 copy of the world is at best idiotic.
The thing a lot of people are missing the staggering implications of this technology. Sure, it really is not feasible to render the whole world in 4k textured perfection no - but why not use a tiny portion of that for something like, say, Euro Truck Simulator 3, for example? It would be far easier to produce high quality graphics from road level, as you're only ever showing literally one road at a time, unlike an entire city in FS, and I see no reason that the same kind of tech can't be modified to give an ultra realistic driving/truck sim.
It wouldn't need to be 100% accurate, but if you have ever landed a plane on any road in FS, and imagined that the graphics WERE rendered in high res textures, and the road, trees etc, and not have to worry about anything further away than the near horizon... then any driving sim would be staggeringly awesome.
Just don't expect this in a flight sim, as that makes absolutely no sense.Could it be done? Sure, I guess it could - but the expense of storage space would be enormous, and even taking into account LOD, the performance hit would likely be beyond hope.
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It feel like you are trying to counter argue yourself: That they should not have relied on 3D AI since its not ground level detail worthy, AND they should not have to do ground level detail by hand since they have 3D AI..
I'm not fanboying it here it does have its issues. but I think the concept of what we can "imagine" it can look like, and what modern hardware and storage can do is miles apart. And people are going: Why isn't it more like what I can imagine, with no real world limitations, it could be?
Its about on par with what I expected. At least a doubling of detail and visuals from FSX and X-Plane.
Can I fly 200ft off the ground and be able to tell what color my front door is? No...but I honestly did not expect that.
But I can fly anywhere in my big ass city (I live in a huge land size city in the US) and know instantly where I am just by looking around.
I navigated to my house purely on visuals from the airport from 1000ft up. Followed the highway, spotted the Walmart on the blvd, knew the next road was the ave to my house. Spotted the park area and bridge to my main road, followed it down to the bright red gas station and apartment blocks I recognized and could tell by the church on the corner where my neighborhood was in reference to it and can even spot my pool in the back yard..I think thats pretty damn good.
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You can fly with keyboard but its...challenging. I did the first couple tutorial missions with keyboard just trying it out after installing. But plugged in my HOTAS as its was waaay easier than keyboard.
You might be able to use a xbox/ps controller, but honestly not sure and I can't check since I dont own any controllers.
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I've played with Xbox controller first two sessions before I plugged in my Hotass and it's fine.
Like phill said you have modifiers but you'll use your keyboard shortcuts as well. So no you don't need a flight stick it plays better/more fun with a stick though.
I’m grtting a Thrustmaster T.16000. Haven’t had a stick since my Amiga times.
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Some minor changes but basically the same thing as the T.16000 apparently. Certainly looks better though.
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