Who here is using a USB flash drive to TV’s for 4K/H265?
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 01:31    Post subject:
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The prices for 75 inch apparently dropped quite a lot!


But of course that is not a top of the line led with lots and lots of local dimming...






I’ve noticed most of you guys have LG. I think LG is more dominant in the European market, I wonder if that’s because of tariffs? Most people have Samsung here. LG is a lot more money. That’s one is also LED, not OLED. There is a big difference in the picture. QLED is Samsung’s answer to LGs OLED. OLED is a pretty picture compared to OLED however when it comes to a brighter room then you want the QLED...I’m a brighter room, it’s a brighter picture.


https://www.samsung.com/ca/tvs/qled-tv/compare/


I really want the QLED Q80T. Or the 2019 version of it. Even the Q70T I think would be good and the one I might settle on. . Look at the prices! . I think those are US prices so mine would be more. I go to Best Buy site to get Canadian prices and all I see are open box prices.


Visions has it. $2700. Hopefully it will drop more

https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/55544/samsung_75_q70t_qled_4k_uhd_smart_tv?categoryId=0&sku=QN75Q70T&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgfC7pIzE6wIVmRatBh0h2Qn4EAAYASAAEgI58fD_BwE

I think I’m also looking into cutting the cord in 2 years. My building cable discount runs out this year and I don’t think it’s the consensus we opt into another one. That package saved me $80 a month. It’s like over $220/month for internet phone and cable over here.
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 02:25    Post subject:
Well but QLED is just Samsungs top of the line LED. The proper equivalent would be LG's Nanocell, not OLED lineup. Btw be sure to check if Samsung still ships built in advertisement with their TV's! That was the worst thing I ever witnessed Surprised



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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 02:42    Post subject:
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Well but QLED is just Samsungs top of the line LED. The proper equivalent would be LG's Nanocell, not OLED lineup. Btw be sure to check if Samsung still ships built in advertisement with their TV's! That was the worst thing I ever witnessed Surprised





WTF ....Nooooooo... I'll look at that.

AND plex is now installed on the living room TV. Which surprises me because I have the Plex server installed on the extender WiFi side so the living room is a different subnet. I'm really excited about this. It's like I got a really cool new toy and I didn't pay a dime....yet.
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 03:32    Post subject:
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@pistolshrimp Nice, enjoy!

Just know that Plex players are finicky and sometimes start transcoding even if you say it to stream Direct.




At this point I only understand 80% of what you are saying. I’m reading their forums right now. All that lossy, N. Shield .....rules of 4K talk.

With a pass I could just hook my sister up to my external SSD. I still have a lot of questions but the info is out there.

I’ll try to better explain. When using the Plex app, it can work in two modes; direct stream or transcode on server. The latter is good if you try to play some large file on a very old phone, or some codec is unsupported in the hardware (like H265 HEVC on an old phone, streamer or a TV). The problem with that is that no computer is strong enough to transcode UHD material properly live, and the Plex transcoder is hilariously bad at supporting HDR content, so you get a washed out and very bad picture instead of 4K HDR. So you usually want to always direct stream the content, which for now is doable on any modern phone, streamer or TV. The problem is, the Plex player is terrible. Any small thing can make it request transcode instead of direct stream. Like, for example, if the rip you are trying to watch has specific format for subtitles, and you enable them, it will transcode instead of direct stream. This is why I recommend a different player on the client, while the server is Plex to show metadata for the content.
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 06:05    Post subject:
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LeoNatan wrote:
@pistolshrimp Nice, enjoy!

Just know that Plex players are finicky and sometimes start transcoding even if you say it to stream Direct.




At this point I only understand 80% of what you are saying. I’m reading their forums right now. All that lossy, N. Shield .....rules of 4K talk.

With a pass I could just hook my sister up to my external SSD. I still have a lot of questions but the info is out there.

I’ll try to better explain. When using the Plex app, it can work in two modes; direct stream or transcode on server. The latter is good if you try to play some large file on a very old phone, or some codec is unsupported in the hardware (like H265 HEVC on an old phone, streamer or a TV). The problem with that is that no computer is strong enough to transcode UHD material properly live, and the Plex transcoder is hilariously bad at supporting HDR content, so you get a washed out and very bad picture instead of 4K HDR. So you usually want to always direct stream the content, which for now is doable on any modern phone, streamer or TV. The problem is, the Plex player is terrible. Any small thing can make it request transcode instead of direct stream. Like, for example, if the rip you are trying to watch has specific format for subtitles, and you enable them, it will transcode instead of direct stream. This is why I recommend a different player on the client, while the server is Plex to show metadata for the content.



Ok. I had to read that 3 times, lol but I got it. For right now, while I don’t have UHD plex is good enough but this is why I want to seriously look at getting a shield or Apple TV.

Do you think if I throw the Apple TV or Shield into the mix I would run into problems because I use an wifi extender? It’s not a bridge.
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 06:50    Post subject:
I’m reading this.

https://forums.plex.tv/t/info-plex-4k-transcoding-and-you-aka-the-rules-of-4k/378203. I’m going to need a cheat sheet when I start downloading movies but it’s becoming a lot more clearer. I’m beginning to understand how much bigger 4K is compared to 1080p....


I’m shocked 4K/UHD TVs are pushed so hard. It’s a marketing gimmick to the average consumer The average person is by no means smart or persistent enough to learn this. Seriously, I work in a lab and I can’t get people to pee in a cup properly! No wonder why everyone is using Geek Sqad to set themselves up, It’s such a select niche of consumers.

I’m going to have to check my data limits too.


Ohh got a stall in plex. Hummmmm.....
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 07:04    Post subject:
Plex is pretty unbeatable and I try the alternatives Kodi and Emby every couple of years to see if they have gotton competative. The only thing i dont like about Plex is the default authentication method of reaching out to authenticate externally for an internal service, You have described exactly why they do this which is to make services split across networks "just work" (you can customize the config to disable the behaviour as well). That and I dont trust there isn't some telemetry attached to the service as they've tried pulling that stunt in the past.

Outside that it just works and it works well, Kodi and Emby are annoying to set up, fail on metadata and the UX no matter how many derpy themes and hours you spend with it winds up as good as the stock Plex experience.

Nvidia shield has been the best client i've used in terms of performance and also aggregating other services if you use them, I've done intel NUC, Rasp PI, Roku and none of them were up to the task regards performance (the NUC sucks because it doesn't aggregate services), can try Apple TV if you want but suspect will be under spec and more expensive than shield.
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 07:59    Post subject:
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Plex is pretty unbeatable and I try the alternatives Kodi and Emby every couple of years to see if they have gotton competative. The only thing i dont like about Plex is the default authentication method of reaching out to authenticate externally for an internal service, You have described exactly why they do this which is to make services split across networks "just work" (you can customize the config to disable the behaviour as well). That and I dont trust there isn't some telemetry attached to the service as they've tried pulling that stunt in the past.

Outside that it just works and it works well, Kodi and Emby are annoying to set up, fail on metadata and the UX no matter how many derpy themes and hours you spend with it winds up as good as the stock Plex experience.

Nvidia shield has been the best client i've used in terms of performance and also aggregating other services if you use them, I've done intel NUC, Rasp PI, Roku and none of them were up to the task regards performance (the NUC sucks because it doesn't aggregate services), can try Apple TV if you want but suspect will be under spec and more expensive than shield.


I’m liking it. Figured out why it was buffering, I switched over the the G5 and lowered the quality to match my upload speed My router players hide and seek with my G5 network.

I gave up on Kodi 2 years ago. I used it more for addons....but they kept being taken down, and I always had to go hunting for a replacement. I did an update ....and it took me over an hour to get it back the way I wanted it. I didn’t find it very user friendly, never used it to store my media.

Plex is brilliant in the way they are marketing it. What they offer for free is useful, people use it, learn it.....and you get hooked.

I’m leaning toward Shield.


Hahaha! Yeah, I’m good. No more buffering....
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 13:50    Post subject:
pistolshrimp wrote:
I’m reading this.

https://forums.plex.tv/t/info-plex-4k-transcoding-and-you-aka-the-rules-of-4k/378203. I’m going to need a cheat sheet when I start downloading movies but it’s becoming a lot more clearer. I’m beginning to understand how much bigger 4K is compared to 1080p....


I’m shocked 4K/UHD TVs are pushed so hard. It’s a marketing gimmick to the average consumer The average person is by no means smart or persistent enough to learn this. Seriously, I work in a lab and I can’t get people to pee in a cup properly! No wonder why everyone is using Geek Sqad to set themselves up, It’s such a select niche of consumers.

I’m going to have to check my data limits too.

Ohh got a stall in plex. Hummmmm.....

I use a different player that connects to Plex for exactly that reason. No need to look at rules. Everything just works. I use Infuse on the Apple TV.

Regarding your Wifi, that could be a problem. UHD is demanding.
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 03:24    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
pistolshrimp wrote:
I’m reading this.

https://forums.plex.tv/t/info-plex-4k-transcoding-and-you-aka-the-rules-of-4k/378203. I’m going to need a cheat sheet when I start downloading movies but it’s becoming a lot more clearer. I’m beginning to understand how much bigger 4K is compared to 1080p....


I’m shocked 4K/UHD TVs are pushed so hard. It’s a marketing gimmick to the average consumer The average person is by no means smart or persistent enough to learn this. Seriously, I work in a lab and I can’t get people to pee in a cup properly! No wonder why everyone is using Geek Sqad to set themselves up, It’s such a select niche of consumers.

I’m going to have to check my data limits too.

Ohh got a stall in plex. Hummmmm.....

I use a different player that connects to Plex for exactly that reason. No need to look at rules. Everything just works. I use Infuse on the Apple TV.

Regarding your Wifi, that could be a problem. UHD is demanding.




I know! I’m afraid! Sad I did the speed test. I’m just under 10 Mpbs for upload. I haven’t looked into if that’s too slow, but I assume you can tell me. If I am too slow I’m assuming the USB chippy is still an option, maybe play it through shield...and hard wire it? I don’t know enough if those connections and options are even so able that?

On another note...... I talked about this with my other half....and he is extremely into increasing our speed....because it would be a total benefit to him and his Iracing. He is a diehard fan of that....since day 1. Even does it on oculus but he thinks that is damaging his eyeballs so he got the 3 screens set up again. It all depends on cost. I really really try to keep my monthly expenses down otherwise I’m just s slave to paying big bills.....and god knows, this city will suck you dry.


I’m seriously thinking about buying shield in the next couple weeks. Something like that anyway. I don’t want my poor little Mac overworking, I heard the fans last night.
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 08:11    Post subject:
pistolshrimp wrote:
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I have a LG OLED TV (B7 Series) and watch all kind of 2160p HDR rips from my USB 3.0 drive all the time. Most of the rips are h.265 anyway and the TV plays 99% of them. So I think you shouldn't have any problems with that.



Nice......... I’m hearing such good things about LG OLED . The picture is outstanding I’ve heard. It’s a huge price difference between our 2. I think the Qled will be fine in my brighter living room. My other half already thinks I’m crazy even considering on spending this kind of money.

It’s good to hear you have no problems. I know Samsung does have some problem with someone of the codec’s. What kind of USB are you using, it is a faster one?




I'm using a USB 3.0 drive, it's quite fast I assume. It's this one: https://www.amazon.de/Toshiba-Canvio-Basics-Festplatten-schwarz/dp/B00WIMBNGI

And yeah, LG OLED is the best thing you can get when you tend to use your tv in a rather dark environment aka evening (except maybe for Sony OLED but they are even more expensive and the difference in picture is minimal)
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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Sep 2020 02:57    Post subject:
I’m thinking of putting the TV on the back burner for now. My gut is telling me that some of the compatibility issues surrounding all the different codecs hasn’t stabilized enough in the industry, I need the dust to settle more before I jump into spending thousands of dollars. I run the risk of being absolutely heartbroken. Plus there are some flaws/bugs that haven’t been fixed in updates, or so I read. I will lose nothing by waiting another year and just watching.... the average person doesn’t do their media like we do. They are doing nothing with their UHD TV’s other then relying on their cable provider and saying to people “look at my 4K TV!

But in the meantime, I need to seriously look at upgrading my shit.


I think I want a NAS!
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