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tonizito
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Oh yeah, not being able to play games from the windows garbage store is a terrible loss, really 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Aug 2020 17:24 Post subject: |
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Are you aware that Intel Graphics Center and Realtek Control Panel (and any other control panel for DHC drivers) is shipping exclusivelly via Windows Store? Nvidia is still providing both legacy and DHC driver, but it may change in the next year too.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Aug 2020 17:42 Post subject: |
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | Are you aware that Intel Graphics Center and Realtek Control Panel (and any other control panel for DHC drivers) is shipping exclusivelly via Windows Store? Nvidia is still providing both legacy and DHC driver, but it may change in the next year too. |
and both work just fine on ltsc
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Aug 2020 18:45 Post subject: |
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Yeah, should be moved to the OS thread.
But what's next?
"Why use the enterprise edition on your PC? Do you even own a business? lul" 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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jackbomb
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Aug 2020 19:07 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Aug 2020 20:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Aug 2020 11:54 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | | Newty182 wrote: | | LTSC is for POS and Kiosk mode PC's etc... Why would anyone use it for a desktop |
Normal Windows 10 is for Mobile/Tablet users who like Candy Crush and Social Media features etc... Why would anyone use it for a desktop . |
Nothing wrong with 1909/2004 normal Pro version. Test it again before you judge it by some old release.
Win 10 Pro is the way to go for a gaming PC.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Aug 2020 14:53 Post subject: |
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just let people use what they want to. whats up with all this "i use this, this is the best" stuff.
when i install ltsc for other people i will always tell them the downsides, like store games may not work, or that if they upgrade the hardware in the next 2-3 years, they may be missing out on something, or if there is a huge new feature in windows, that they will not get it as fast with the normal windows editions.
as long as you don't use a ryzen ltsc is just fine for gaming, atleast if you don't want to play store games, since microsoft upgrades the system requirements from time to time.
for example forza 4 was working fine for a very long time, now it's not working anymore, since microsoft wants people to upgrade to a newer windows version.
if you use windows 10 pro, it's fine. if you use enterprise it's fine and if you use ltsc it's also fine.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Aug 2020 15:31 Post subject: |
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LTSC shouldn't be used for 99% of the cases. If you don't want all games and such you should install Enterprise edition.
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Aug 2020 16:01 Post subject: |
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Aside from (seemingly) no access to the gamepass, exactly what advantages does the pro version have over LTSC?
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Aug 2020 16:42 Post subject: |
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Using LTSC means missing out on new OS enhancements that are included in SAC releases – particularly new security features
LTSC does not keep pace with new silicon releases in the same way SAC does
No support for the modern Edge browser
No support for Windows Store
From January 2020, Microsoft Office 365 will not be supported on LTSC
LTSC does not keep pace with feature enhancements to Windows Defender ATP
Potential Independent Hardware and Software Vendor support and limitations on LTSC
Non-security operating system fixes and enhancements may not get back-ported to LTSC
LTSC should be used on machinery, monitoring systems, lab equipment etc. Basically equipment that has a single function.
TLDR: get normal Enterprise edition, this is meant for desktop purpose.
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Aug 2020 17:02 Post subject: |
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| Areius wrote: | Using LTSC means missing out on new OS enhancements that are included in SAC releases – particularly new security features
LTSC does not keep pace with new silicon releases in the same way SAC does
No support for the modern Edge browser
No support for Windows Store
From January 2020, Microsoft Office 365 will not be supported on LTSC
LTSC does not keep pace with feature enhancements to Windows Defender ATP
Potential Independent Hardware and Software Vendor support and limitations on LTSC
Non-security operating system fixes and enhancements may not get back-ported to LTSC
LTSC should be used on machinery, monitoring systems, lab equipment etc. Basically equipment that has a single function.
TLDR: get normal Enterprise edition, this is meant for desktop purpose. |
ok im very sorry for all this off topic stuff but i can't let this stand there unanswered.
- yes it gets the features later, but since windows 10 was released, it was just the scheduler fix for ryzens and the new gpu scheduling, 2 features in 5 years which could help, nothing else.
- "not keep pace with new silicon releases" what does that mean? every new hardware works with ltsc, except that the scheduling for ryzens is missing, so a little less performance. i wrote in my last post that i don't recommend ltsc for ryzen users because of this. everyone using ltsc should know this, before installing it.
- edge works fine if you want to
- store works fine if you want to
- office 365 works also just fine
- just because they add new features to windows defender, doesn't mean older systems without those features are unsecure. i wouldn't call windows defender in any way secure anyway.
- what software support limitation do you mean? drivers? show me one driver which does not work on ltsc.
- ltsc gets both security and bug fixes.
ltsc should be used on systems which should run stable and safe for a certain amount of time. that also includes desktops, just because microsoft says it's not meant to be used on the desktop, doesn't mean it's not working just fine.
like i said people can use what they want to, i don't blame people for using enterprise or pro editions but stop that bullshit if you don't know what you talk about and spread microsofts lies.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Aug 2020 17:26 Post subject: |
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| freiwald wrote: | | Areius wrote: | Using LTSC means missing out on new OS enhancements that are included in SAC releases – particularly new security features
LTSC does not keep pace with new silicon releases in the same way SAC does
No support for the modern Edge browser
No support for Windows Store
From January 2020, Microsoft Office 365 will not be supported on LTSC
LTSC does not keep pace with feature enhancements to Windows Defender ATP
Potential Independent Hardware and Software Vendor support and limitations on LTSC
Non-security operating system fixes and enhancements may not get back-ported to LTSC
LTSC should be used on machinery, monitoring systems, lab equipment etc. Basically equipment that has a single function.
TLDR: get normal Enterprise edition, this is meant for desktop purpose. |
ok im very sorry for all this off topic stuff but i can't let this stand there unanswered.
- yes it gets the features later, but since windows 10 was released, it was just the scheduler fix for ryzens and the new gpu scheduling, 2 features in 5 years which could help, nothing else.
Ehh, lots of changes have been made to Windows 10 since release. Not sure what you're smoking but try reading this:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Windows_10_version_history#/PC_version_history
- "not keep pace with new silicon releases" what does that mean? every new hardware works with ltsc, except that the scheduling for ryzens is missing, so a little less performance. i wrote in my last post that i don't recommend ltsc for ryzen users because of this. everyone using ltsc should know this, before installing it.
That's exactly what it means, new stuff gets added waaay too slow compared to the pace of hardware.
- edge works fine if you want to
- store works fine if you want to
Yeah, sure, but that's too much work for the average user.
- office 365 works also just fine
Works but not supported. Given that O365 is paid, if you have an issue you can wave goodbye to support.
- just because they add new features to windows defender, doesn't mean older systems without those features are unsecure. i wouldn't call windows defender in any way secure anyway.
No, not unsecure, but they are less secure.
- what software support limitation do you mean? drivers? show me one driver which does not work on ltsc.
Some NVIDIA drivers don't work on LTSC, and some touchpad drivers don't either.
- ltsc gets both security and bug fixes.
Only as-is, there are no feature patches and improvements.
ltsc should be used on systems which should run stable and safe for a certain amount of time. that also includes desktops, just because microsoft says it's not meant to be used on the desktop, doesn't mean it's not working just fine.
like i said people can use what they want to, i don't blame people for using enterprise or pro editions but stop that bullshit if you don't know what you talk about and spread microsofts lies. |
I do know what I'm talking about. But feel free to use LTSC if you'd want, I don't mind, whatever floats your boat. Just don't recommend it to someone who has little or no computer experience. They'll run into issues at some point. But even so, as I'm not the one to fix them, good luck  All to keep some apps from running that you can disable in a few clicks 
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2020 01:20 Post subject: |
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I'd merge the posts with the Windows 10 thread but unfortunately the Humps don't allow that (we can only create a new thread or delete/thrash them) so I'll have to ask you guys to please continue the discussion there. Let's keep this thread tidy for them saucy deals
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Aug 2020 15:54 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 09:27 Post subject: |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 09:47 Post subject: |
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wubwub wubwubwub
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Found it pretty underwhelming upon trying it a few months back on a free weekend, but that was just the normal mode. Which is what is free right now 
Still, one more freebie so thanks men
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 18:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 18:36 Post subject: |
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Or ypu could just enable MOBILE mode on your browser (ctrl+shift+m)
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jackbomb
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jackbomb
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 18:38 Post subject: |
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| D-jack wrote: | | Or ypu could just enable MOBILE mode on your browser (ctrl+shift+m) |
Doesn't work on Opera
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