I am not looking for the best CPU out there, but what would give me the most bang for my buck while also being a noticable difference. I saw people mention the Zen3 on the previous pages, but I assume being a new CPU it will be rather costly?
Even if Zen3 will be costly it will drive Zen2 prices down considerably
the best bang for ur buck is a cheap am4 b450 motherboard, with a cheap 2700x second hand ( only 5% slower then 3600) and then get the real zen 3 or zen3+ cpu on that board when it comes out after , or just upgrade to a 4600 second hand in a few years
pci4 compared to pci3 comparison gamernexus did and it was a joke on the 3080, totaly not worth a new premium priced mobo. Zero reason buying anything new new atm if u have a good second hand market in ur country
eitherway , very good bang for ur buck with amd out there atm with endles upgrade potential compared to intel current upgrade path non existant shit
but manage ur expectations, more cores means dick for older games
just upgrade if u can still get some money for ur intel stuff, many old intel mobos still keep their value for some reason due to cheap xeons being an option these days
Thanks, guys.
What would you consider a cheap price for a 2700x? I see them around 130-140 EUR in my region, but new already for 150 EUR, so probably not worth buying used. The mobo (ASRock B450 Pro4) runs for 70 EUR new.
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
- Albert Camus
You will miss some features of the new chipset, but you need to decide whether you need those features. I bought a used x470 mobo for example, I don't need the new features x570 offers. Socket is the same. If you want to use the CPU for a while, get the 3700x, you might even find a used one.
I went from a 3570k to the 3700x, difference in fps with a GTX1080 was very big. I posted values in some game thread but I don't remember which one. Your minimum fps values in open world games will be most impacted, resulting in a much more stable fps. A stable fps is much more valuable than high fps IMO.
You will miss some features of the new chipset, but you need to decide whether you need those features. I bought a used x470 mobo for example, I don't need the new features x570 offers. Socket is the same. If you want to use the CPU for a while, get the 3700x, you might even find a used one.
I went from a 3570k to the 3700x, difference in fps with a GTX1080 was very big. I posted values in some game thread but I don't remember which one. Your minimum fps values in open world games will be most impacted, resulting in a much more stable fps. A stable fps is much more valuable than high fps IMO.
Comparing the X470 and B450 shows nearly no difference in features, apart from 2 SATAIII and 2 PCI.e lines (6 on B450 vs 8 on X470). Are there any other reasons not to just use the way cheaper B450 then?
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
- Albert Camus
The only reason I could think of is VRM Quality in case you would want to OC which is pretty much useless on these CPUs.
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@PickupArtist Its ok. I didn't see your post when I posted.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
@bringiton I have the Asrock x470 Taichi, I bought it because I bought it used for a good price. Better and sturdier design, better VRM for example, is a bonus. I would not advise anything lower than 3700 atm. I understand the idea, buy cheap now and upgrade again later, but this usually leads to using low-/midrange tech all the time.
and whats wrong withz that if it gains him 50%-100% more power each time at a fraction of the price
The price difference between 2700x and 3700x isn't that big, and you can already find used 3700x over here. No idea what the price difference is where he lives. Since he's still using the 2500K, I assume he doesn't upgrade often. I buy the best CPU my budget allows and use it for quite some years.
and whats wrong withz that if it gains him 50%-100% more power each time at a fraction of the price
The price difference between 2700x and 3700x isn't that big, and you can already find used 3700x over here. No idea what the price difference is where he lives. Since he's still using the 2500K, I assume he doesn't upgrade often. I buy the best CPU my budget allows and use it for quite some years.
Thanks for all your help. I did upgrade my PC since 2012, especially my GPU several times. But CPU was just not necessary because everything ran fine. Only now I am starting to see that it cannot keep up.
I checked the prices, this is what I would be paying for used equipment:
AS Rock X470 Taichi (non-ultimate): ~170 €
2700X: ~140€
3700X: ~240€
While I agree with what you said about always having only mid-tier hardware by going with the cheaper option, I am wondering if the 3700X will actually make much of a difference with my 1080p gaming. One hundred Euro to spare is not too bad IMO and I would need new RAM and a good and quiet fan as well.
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
- Albert Camus
A better CPU will make a difference at lower resolutions, gaming at 1080p should yield you 10-20% gain in fps depending on the game being CPU heavy or not. More important, your fps will be more stable because your CPU will push up minimum fps if the system is struggling (unless you're GPU bottlenecked). The new consoles are also coming, we might finally get proper multi-thread support, so more cores is better. Only you can decide whether that's worth it though. As you said the CPU rarely gets an upgrade, so buy the better one IMO.
Is that 170 euros for a used mobo? That can't be right. That's too much. You might as well buy a new B450 if that's your budget.
My advise, find a good (used) mobo for 100 euros, buy a (used) 3700X.
A better CPU will make a difference at lower resolutions, gaming at 1080p should yield you 10-20% gain in fps depending on the game being CPU heavy or not. More important, your fps will be more stable because your CPU will push up minimum fps if the system is struggling (unless you're GPU bottlenecked). The new consoles are also coming, we might finally get proper multi-thread support, so more cores is better. Only you can decide whether that's worth it though. As you said the CPU rarely gets an upgrade, so buy the better one IMO.
Is that 170 euros for a used mobo? That can't be right. That's too much. You might as well buy a new B450 if that's your budget.
My advise, find a good (used) mobo for 100 euros, buy a (used) 3700X.
Yes, that was for a used mobo. Not many of them around apparently... I did see one for 150€, though.
B450 would run me about 80€ used, so definitely less which I could then spend on the better CPU. But then again, spending more money on the mobo might be worth it if I plan to upgrade the CPU in the future... Will probably look for a X470 board and then decide for which CPU I get a better price.
Anything to observe for a quiet CPU fan? With my GPU already being quite loud, I would at least like to keep that noise down...
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
- Albert Camus
A better CPU will make a difference at lower resolutions, gaming at 1080p should yield you 10-20% gain in fps depending on the game being CPU heavy or not. More important, your fps will be more stable because your CPU will push up minimum fps if the system is struggling (unless you're GPU bottlenecked). The new consoles are also coming, we might finally get proper multi-thread support, so more cores is better. Only you can decide whether that's worth it though. As you said the CPU rarely gets an upgrade, so buy the better one IMO.
This was pretty much my thought process (give or take an idea or two) when deciding to buy the 3700X instead of a cheaper 6-core Ryzen. Of all the pros you mentioned not having to switch CPUs (and motherboard) in a long time and just upgrading the GPU for more performance was the strongest one for me.
@bringiton Spending more money now on a better mobo won't make any difference with a future CPU upgrade. You'll still be on an old chipset. Choice between B450 and X470 is: do you need the chipset features now or not?
Am on Intel i7-2600K since launch and planning to upgrade next month.
Ryzen 3600 + MB seems cheaper than i5-10600K + MB. Is it actually good or better to stick with Intel still? Though going with AMD will let me get 3080 (when back in stock) over 3070 or just save money.
1) Don't plan to overclock at all
2) Don't plan to upgrade for the next 5-10 years - at least not CPU
3) Don't care about losing a couple of fps after a few years
4? Peace of mind. Don't want any issues.
Haven't had any problem with old PC till now and only upgraded GPUs.
or 5) use i7-2600K with a new GPU? Will it be fine for 60fps or bottleneck hard?
Thanks.
The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa, the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant.
I've changed my 2500k for 3600 - the difference is huuuuge. In almost every new game my old i5 got 90-100% usage, now it's 30-50% in most cases. Just remember to buy some good cooler cause 3600 can get pretty hot.
Thanks. Any suggestion on cooler? I have working air cooler but not sure if it still work. Else plan to get Noctua NH-D15.
Ryzen 3600 + MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX good?
The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa, the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant.
Am on Intel i7-2600K since launch and planning to upgrade next month.
Ryzen 3600 + MB seems cheaper than i5-10600K + MB. Is it actually good or better to stick with Intel still? Though going with AMD will let me get 3080 (when back in stock) over 3070 or just save money.
1) Don't plan to overclock at all
2) Don't plan to upgrade for the next 5-10 years - at least not CPU
3) Don't care about losing a couple of fps after a few years
4? Peace of mind. Don't want any issues.
Haven't had any problem with old PC till now and only upgraded GPUs.
or 5) use i7-2600K with a new GPU? Will it be fine for 60fps or bottleneck hard?
Thanks.
Why do you want to ugprade?
Do you have any application that doesn't perform as well as you want it to?
If so, what?
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