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Does the debug led thingie on your mobo not show an error code?
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 12:56 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | No. I have a PSU and all my computer related stuff runs from that. I did reset the BIOS. |
PSU or UPS? PSU we all have in the computers... lol
EDIT: Check the capacitors in the motherboard.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 13:02 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 13:03 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Does the debug led thingie on your mobo not show an error code? |
Not really. When it was shutting down at boot, it showed some code that wasn’t in the book. |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 13:06 Post subject: |
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Now it managed to boot up but BSODed.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 13:17 Post subject: |
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Seems like it's the PSU. I think it boots but can't supply the required power. The PSU might be good, but the cable(s) might be damaged/faulty. Did you check the pins on the mobo? Maybe disconnect the PSU and short circuit the 24pins connector to see if the PSU powers on each time.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 13:17 Post subject: |
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No XMP, still BSODing. Could be two related issues, the shut down thing and memory. I’ll try with my old DDR4 sticks to see if there is any difference.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 13:23 Post subject: |
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Old 16GB sticks are recognized as 4GB only. Ah, now it’s 8GB. What a clusterfuck.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 13:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 14:25 Post subject: |
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Seems like the MSI QVL list has been removed. How can the world be so retarded?
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 16:36 Post subject: |
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Thanks
Unfortunately, the only available memories in 4x8GB configurations are not on the QVL.  FML
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 17:06 Post subject: |
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I dont think PSU would give you BSOD. If really the PSU is failing what you would get is complete restart. (there might be exceptions of course, but most of the time PSU problems causes "resets")
Motherboard I think.
As for memtest: I would leave it test for overnight. The more often you experience these issues, the quicker memtest will catch if its a memory fault.
Also I would stick with one DIMM only and then run memtest on that, if no errors are caught, start windows with that, if BSOD happens=not memory (99%)
But, dont you have anything to swap out? and extra psu and extra memory module?
Also what other devices you have connected? Disconnect everything.
Also, what happens in safe mode?
And an extra idea: While system is running try moving the parts in it very carefully:
-Cables
-Gently the memory modules
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 17:18 Post subject: |
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I’ve disconnected everything already, only keyboard and mouse. I had some old DDR4 sticks but those don’t seem compatible with the motherboard, or are damaged; the system won’t post and fails at CPU initialization.
I’ll run memtest again on each stick. Last time I ran it for several passes on all the memory, with XMP enabled, and no issues were found.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 17:28 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | I’ve disconnected everything already, only keyboard and mouse. I had some old DDR4 sticks but those don’t seem compatible with the motherboard, or are damaged; the system won’t post and fails at CPU initialization.
I’ll run memtest again on each stick. Last time I ran it for several passes on all the memory, with XMP enabled, and no issues were found. |
I would even disconnect mouse and KB as well. I know i know, but the system should be ok without them.
(And it probably doesnt have to do with any of this, but its not a big deal to do it)
(At least until you can repro the issue with them disconnected)
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 20:24 Post subject: |
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| Ampee wrote: | | I dont think PSU would give you BSOD. If really the PSU is failing what you would get is complete restart. (there might be exceptions of course, but most of the time PSU problems causes "resets") |
What about voltage fluctuations/problems, men? Especially if it's on the rail that feeds memory (3.3V, I think?).
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 20:37 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | Ampee wrote: | | I dont think PSU would give you BSOD. If really the PSU is failing what you would get is complete restart. (there might be exceptions of course, but most of the time PSU problems causes "resets") |
What about voltage fluctuations/problems, men? Especially if it's on the rail that feeds memory (3.3V, I think?). |
Yeah PSU issues can be very subtle. Last PSU that went bad for me started with very intermittent/rare BSODs and freezes. It wasn't till a month later that it started producing a horrific odour and was very evidently on the way out. |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 21:03 Post subject: |
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He has a good PSU that's more than enough for that system though, i mean u have to switch it off at the wall to get it to boot. So he has to drain all power from the motherboard, then repower and it boots. Still pointing to shit MSI products at this stage.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 21:37 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | Ampee wrote: | | I dont think PSU would give you BSOD. If really the PSU is failing what you would get is complete restart. (there might be exceptions of course, but most of the time PSU problems causes "resets") |
What about voltage fluctuations/problems, men? Especially if it's on the rail that feeds memory (3.3V, I think?). |
there might be exceptions of course
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 22:09 Post subject: |
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Well, it's easier IMO to get a spare PSU than a spare mobo. I'd try a spare PSU at first, then RAMzzz, then mobo (if I really had to, it's a pain in the ass ).
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 22:53 Post subject: |
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I'm going to have to doubt it for a Seasonic 1000w Platinum PSU, I agree with @ampee as well ^ BSOD for PSU?? I highly doubt it. Bad PSU will just randomly restart your system under load, or they pop with a plastic burning smell and its game over.
| tonizito wrote: | | Well, it's easier IMO to get a spare PSU than a spare mobo. I'd try a spare PSU at first, then RAMzzz, then mobo (if I really had to, it's a pain in the ass ). |
Yep its what i did first as well with my shitty MSI Krait x99, it also temporarily fixed my issues for a few months. On the plus side a spare PSU is useful, good chance you will end up using it in a few years or can palm it off to friends.
You know those folk over at MSI are going to use cheapest borderline illegal parts for their products, just only buy Gigabyte or Asus its that simple or expect shit problems, shit bios, no updates or support.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Oct 2020 23:33 Post subject: |
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A problematic PSU or even a faulty power cable can cause crashes due to power dips. It's not uncommon at all.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Oct 2020 14:34 Post subject: |
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OK, so I think the issues discussed here are distinct. I've taken the PC parts outside of the case, and after moving the cables around, the shut down issue has not occurred. So I will replace the PSU eventually. Now I am testing slowly each memory stick, both in memtest and in general memory use. If all sticks pass, I will enable XMP for each stick and do the same. If that passes too, the main suspect becomes the motherboard.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Nov 2020 15:29 Post subject: |
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The computer won’t post with one of the memory sticks. That’s good news.
Now running memtest on two sticks with XMP profile enabled.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Nov 2020 17:24 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | The computer won’t post with one of the memory sticks. That’s good news.
Now running memtest on two sticks with XMP profile enabled. |
Interesting. I would just discard that memstick and start using the system to see if without that one its ok or not.
If its stable (week of usage for example) then I would run a memtest with that "bad" stick and a good one.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Nov 2020 18:21 Post subject: |
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That’s the plan. But at least it’s more conclusive right now.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Nov 2020 18:35 Post subject: |
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Did you tried every memory slot?
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Nov 2020 18:40 Post subject: |
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I did at random. There are far too many slots to run every possible combination (8 slots x 4 memory sticks). I am currently testing two sticks in two designated slots. Before that, I tested all sticks on the first designated slot.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Nov 2020 11:25 Post subject: |
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Ordered a Corsair HX1000i to replace my problematic Seasonic.
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