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jackasshole




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 03:33    Post subject:
I normally agree with virtual slapping when controllers are mentioned for ARPG's (especially great ones) but ....... it's worth a watch:

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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 04:02    Post subject:
Yeah there's no going back to mouse/keyb for me after trying controller in these kinds of games. I just feel a ton more connected to the character/movement with a gamepad.
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TiHKAL




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 04:03    Post subject:
Looks like I'll be using a controller if the title remake doesn't allow modern controls. I was wondering why the previews I'd watched from day one D2 fans showed the controller buttons. Now I know, thanks for sharing. Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 04:41    Post subject:
Well this is a buy for sure. Looks fantastic for the most part. Some of the inventory items need work (some gloves, gems, potions, scrolls are hard to tell apart at times). I wonder how much will be improved by the time it releases.

I wish they'd have stayed a bit truer to the original in terms of game menus etc. I know it sounds silly but the menu music doesn't fit the new menu anymore somehow.
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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 05:50    Post subject:
wow, amazon really went from hot to drag queen... how 2021 of them, because obviously we can't have hot women in games any more.
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jackasshole




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 06:26    Post subject:
Everyone is shitting on the boobage and assuming the devs are caving into 2021 censoring shiz....

But https://preview.redd.it/oaa7lr0j7ls61.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=136776401bcb4ecee6654809b6de65fe79d21e94

Check that....

They added a dead corpse at the dead end in the sewers...and the corpse has tits with nips. Not in the original game at all, added for atmosphere, and completely nude (what's left of the body anyway)

So, I don't see where the politically correct argument is valid..

There is certainly more gore as well....

Check out this makeshift club this enemy was using.....it's made out of dead corpses. Again, not in the original (wouldn't allow for this much detail anyway) added for atmosphere and pretty fucking cool IMO

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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 06:44    Post subject:
a corpse is not sexy. all the female characters are covered up, ass'n tits. there's no conspiracy. gore is very PC, hell all the SJW shows are very gory, fucking Batwoman hits a man so hard that his head is severed.. Picard with cut off baby head and what not, "PC" shows can be very gory.
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 07:30    Post subject:
People sometimes just like to argue and complain for the sake of it. Who cares.

The game is and was great, must buy for me.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 07:37    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
wow, amazon really went from hot to drag queen... how 2021 of them, because obviously we can't have hot women in games any more.

"Good game, but do not want to bang any of the characters. So Rating it 2/10..(like the characters)."

Is it we can't have hot characters in video games, or this specific game has less revealing ones to hyperbole a false absolute of that we can't have it in games (in general) anymore?"
101 new games with tits falling out of tops almost and pants so tight if she farted it would inflate like a balloon. But one popular one changes and its "Damn SJW's and making all games less sexy!"

Really if you decided to buy games or not based on how much your dick tingles to some of the characters, maaaybe you play for the wrong reasons Razz


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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 09:29    Post subject:
My only problem is that its all retarded misguided double standards, can't have sexy, must write bland. Then million of newgen can't get enough of girls wearing nothing twerking and pushing only fans playing Pokemon, so which is it?
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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 10:47    Post subject:
DXWarlock wrote:

Really if you decided to buy games or not based on how much your dick tingles to some of the characters, maaaybe you play for the wrong reasons Razz


Yeah right, quote me where i said any of that. I'm probably the quickest here to criticize porn games btw...
It was just something i picked up on, and that it goes perfectly in line with almost everything else now.

I do think it's a double standard though. I don't see muscles on men being covered up, or male characters getting the ugly stick treatment to not upset male gamers or for the game to not be labeled "sexist".
And no, i don't want them to go there, i'm just curious why they think it's a good idea? Does female players really want to play women who looks like men, do male players prefer to play females who look like men?
Femininity is wrong/should be censored, macho culture is still very good. It's hypocritical, it's fake and it's lame.
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 11:01    Post subject:
It's all made up bs to create click-bait youtube videos and as usual, Vurt is falling into it ass over head...

So gullible...
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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 11:07    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
It's all made up bs


Uh, no it isn't. Pretty easy to look at comparison images from both versions of the game, and that's what i've done.

It's perfectly fine to still like the game you know, don't let your fanboyism retard you completely Laughing
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 11:17    Post subject:
Always so salty, lol.
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Amadeus




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 11:24    Post subject:
vurt be like




They're definitely censoring a kind of game that shouldn't be censored. Even if it's only slightly.

I never even noticed the Sorc had underboob.


But don't say they didn't touch the dudes. Barb got old and the Druid got weird hair now.



By the way it appears the remaining acts are also in the gamefiles and there's a savefile in circulation with all acts and difficulties unlocked but act 3 to 5 have the "lights turned off".

By the devs apparently as a way to prevent exactly.. this. Though it appears to be fully fledged including boss fights such as Diablo and Baal.


You can also break the game with custom resolutions that have silly wide aspect ratios

https://imgur.com/W0Pfl6G
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TheZor
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 12:36    Post subject:
It's clearly not censoring if they are adding more gore and nude elements (even though said elements are supposedly PC, don't think I would ever have put an half cut female body with boobs glaring in that category ! Laughing), it's more of an artistic direction change/addition than anything. We're comparing with 20+ years old 3d model.
The Amazon looks distinctively old to me now, that's about it.


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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 14:00    Post subject:
"artist direction", good one Laughing it's perfectly in line with everything else Blizzard has been doing, google blizzard censoring and you'll see that the last 2-3 years is filled with them changing their art, removing anything that can be considered "sexist" by the Twatter blue hairs.

So yes, obviously they have guidelines they have to follow and these will include woke elements like censoring T&A on the characters, making females less beautiful etc.

"Looks old", good one Laughing she looks masculine, even her breasts.

I will never support anything which is making Blizzard even a cent, they're just as bad as Disney when it comes to e.g bowing do to China, and PC retardation. Total hypocrites and scum.
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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 14:14    Post subject:
How do you know it' for woke guidelines? I dont see any articles about why they changed it, or articles on people complaining forcing the changes.

Could ALSO just be one of these?:
-Appealing to a wider age range as a bigger spectrum of ages play games now than 20 years ago?
-Appealing to a wider demographic of players, as more women play games now than 20 years ago and its less of a male dominated genre that is no longer needing to pull from the old D&D tropes for sales?
-Adjusting art styles as high res means less exaggeration is needed to convey the same gender defining physiques?

or any other handful of reasons?
Not saying it IS those. But could be just as much as the woke thing.
I feel like the woke thing for you is like pickupartist and bitcoin. Find something that bothers you, and go "Damn SJW and their...(shuffles cards and picks random one) changing diablo"


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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 14:19    Post subject:
Why would Blizzard suddenly change and not be woke? I just go by the most obvious reason, after all there's no other company more woke than Blizz, proven again and again.

Less exaggeration lol.. they've basically turned the Amazon into a male, that's not "less exaggeration". Age range, no, this game is too gory for that to be any kind of excuse, it's not supposed to appeal to 10 year olds.

Deal with it, the game is what you would expect Blizzard / company hired by them to do in 2021. That's all there is to it. No conspiracies or excuses needed. Can't believe how salty you get for just pointing out a really obvious thing.

edit: relevant: https://www.pcgamer.com/hearthstone-card-art-changes/

"We went back and really just brought everything up to our standards," Kosak said. "It wasn't because we were looking at ratings, or international [regulations], or anything like that. "


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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 14:28    Post subject:
stop whining, dude. It's annoying.
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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 14:30    Post subject:
Ohhh salty!
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Amadeus




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 14:48    Post subject:
Everything is censored, everything that has ever been was in some way censored.

Else there probably would have been rape demons in the original Diablo 2 that would have, in a very graphic way, raped your character as part of their attack animation.

Or simply being able to take off your armor. Nude amazon with big mommy milkies

Or Diablo's giant anus from hell

Or just fucking each other in MP.

Arists have always restrained themselves in some way or another, especially groups of artists coming together to achieve some sort of commercial success with their "product".

Whether it was guidelines formed by social expectations, common sense or rating agencies.

Let's stop pretending the original games had developers designing completely unhibited, even they were affected by the times they were living in.

Let's stop pretending any game like that has ever existed. Even the developers of postal will have in some way thought themselves during development "yea but lets not do that".

Nobody is a completely uninhibited unrestrained monster of raw thought and complete lack of consideration or thought.

Stop trying to politicize everything. Stop being triggered. Stop wanting to be triggered.

If you want the old Diablo it still exists, even within the remastered. That's not even called censorship. If you create something new you are allowed to do so in whatever way you wish. That's called artistic freedom and even free speech.

Only if some higher authority would come along and force you to change/ommit somthing would it be censorship.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 15:19    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
Age range, no, this game is too gory for that to be any kind of excuse, it's not supposed to appeal to 10 year olds."

Yeeeeah. Because everyone here (and in general) was over 18 when they played it the first time right? It didn't appeal to anyone under 18, 20 years ago. Laughing Why would it now when exponentially more kids have access and gaming is a mainstream passtime? Razz
If you dont think 13-18 year olds are drawn to games with sexy characters and gore, you must not have or ever seen kids..lol.
vurt wrote:
Can't believe how salty you get for just pointing out a really obvious thing.

Where did I have salt? I was having a discussion. Sorry if discussion of differing conclusions are seen as salt, when they do not align with you conclusion.
Or does it just make it easier to handwave as non-sense if you believe it's a defensive emotional salt reaction?

You sound like my daughter. Any friction in a discussion is seen as verbal counter attack assumed to be generated by high emotional reaction to defy.
I feel you give yourself too much credit to assume you could make me salty. I like everyone here, but very very few carry enough weight to make me have enough care to react with a visceral salty retort.


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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 16:07    Post subject:
It's just common sense dude, like i linked to above - they don't care about ratings, its not why they've started censoring, like blizzard says, it's about setting a "standard".

You're salty because you're making really far fetched arguments where none is needed. Get over it, it's censored and it's just how games are from big companies now. do you honestly believe they would get away with big boobed and extremely feminine looking characters in 2021? For Japanese games possibly yes, this is not a game from japan. Just play the game and be happy, i know i will, but i won't pay for it Wink
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AmpegV4




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 16:09    Post subject:
My issue isn't with woke per say, its the death of creativity by playing everything so safe its boring.

They took less risk from D1 to D2 dropping the more Gothic look, droping any real world religious themes, no burning crosses etc. yet more than made up for it innovating on the gameplay, creating 5 killer biome's with themed monster art etc, expanding the games lore and mechanics for the genre (that i saw as an action nethack ripoff)

Compare what they accomplished in D2 with the newer games though, boring as fuck colorful safe art style, literally no innovative ideas brought to the table. Almost the same biomes (are you f kidding me?) And member butcher? member king laoric member Isaul, member adria? memeber how you liked deckard Cain?

You got 2000 years of rich Gothic art, semi naked goat demons, succubi. Eatablished religions with awesome mythos and themes. An art team could go absolutely wild with that stuff, but hey can't take any risks someone may not like x y or z.

Path of Exile dropped 10 acts and almost every single one is oozing with originality. They'really a NZ based studio and based the games lore off Maori culture, both smart and original, its just a shame this is becoming a real rarity. Sorry this post and page is way off-topic /rant

I think this remaster looks great btw, but i don't think i could get into the vanilla game again. I eexpect some mods will be supported, most of the good mods use code edits where i think they wont be compatible but lets see what happens.


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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 16:13    Post subject:
everything will get duller. people are naive if they think they will stop at this. people who are just silent about it + continuing to support these behaviors and companies are just ruining it for gaming overall, you are anti-gamers and enablers.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 16:19    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
You're salty because you're making really far fetched arguments where none is needed.



And that's your definition of salt? I do not think it means, what you think it means.
Also you know that's a fallacy right? "If you X, then you support/are Y and Z" absolutism, is one of the top 5 debating fallacies. Want to toss in a 'begs the question', 'slippery slope' and a 'tu quoque' to round it out?


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Sin317
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 16:29    Post subject:
Vurt has to be on some FBI or Home Security or whatever watchlist, lol. I suggest just skipping over his comments.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 19:53    Post subject:
*dilly ding dilly dong*
Please let's stay on topic guys, possibly without turning the thread into a silly battlefield Razz

Hasjkikker's post got swallowed by the splitting, and since we can't merge threads I'll re-post it myself:
Hasjkikker wrote:
Anyone else having issues with going back to main screen? Loading screens pops and then all of a sudden im going back to main menu. Started with 1 char only, now it does the same shit on all chars.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Apr 2021 22:23    Post subject:
Works fine for me, make sure to use TCP/IP so progress is actually saved.
If nothing works try to run the installation command again, I had to fuck around with it a good number of times before I didn't get the SystemException error, might have something to do with that.


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