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tonizito
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| DCB wrote: | | They failed because of project mismanagement, not because they weren't technically capable of doing the job. It's the most common problem in the game industry, and across large corporations more generally. |
Agreed. The game should have been delayed and they should have taken the hits that would bring up. IMO having it removed from the PS Store alone will prove to be bad enough for the company on long term.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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bronson
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 11:58 Post subject: |
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They'd never do a split launch like that, given that 2/3rds (or more) of their projected sales would be on consoles. All they had to do was either not derail development in the first place, or, failing that, at least listen to the people in the trenches telling them that the game was nowhere near ready when they decided to make the original release date announcement. You'd like to think that management (in CDPR and elsewhere) learned something from this, but history would suggest they won't have. I'm sure we'll be having this same conversation again in a few years about some different game hyped into the stratosphere that shit the bed on launch.
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whenever one wonders "how could they be so stupid? how could they not see this would happen? who thought this was a good idea?", the answer is pretty much always "they knew and did it anyway because someone calculated that it would be worth it"
I don't think anyone expected sony to remove the game from the store though so they probably fucked up in that regard.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 13:47 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | whenever one wonders "how could they be so stupid? how could they not see this would happen? who thought this was a good idea?", the answer is pretty much always "they knew and did it anyway because someone calculated that it would be worth it"
I don't think anyone expected sony to remove the game from the store though so they probably fucked up in that regard. |
Haha yeah, it's like that story of the stabbed man 
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 14:54 Post subject: |
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The PS Store removal is a little more complicated. Sony lacks a tangible refund process like Steam and Microsoft have. Refunding PS games is possible, but Sony doesn't tell you straight up how. If they had left Cyberpunk on the store, this issue would have been brought to the forefront.
On Steam and Xbox, you can try the game and keep it if you're satisfied or get a refund if you are not. Sony doesn't want this.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 14:56 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | whenever one wonders "how could they be so stupid? how could they not see this would happen? who thought this was a good idea?", the answer is pretty much always "they knew and did it anyway because someone calculated that it would be worth it"
I don't think anyone expected sony to remove the game from the store though so they probably fucked up in that regard. |
They fucked up all around, because the game now has less than half of its lifetime predicted sales. The majority of the sales are on PC, so sony can go fuck itself and die somewhere. The bigger issue is the game is not that good and it doesnt have the tail they anticipated.
Their whole operation was leaning on the fact that Cyberpunk will be an evergreen title that will sell for a decade after its release, like W3 does. Problem is, Cyberpunk is not a very good game and people have pretty much finished with it. They can fix whatever they desire, this is not gonna change.
Next year they're gonna have multiple projects at the same time, one game every half a decade is not gonna cut it
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tonizito
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 15:28 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | Surray wrote: | whenever one wonders "how could they be so stupid? how could they not see this would happen? who thought this was a good idea?", the answer is pretty much always "they knew and did it anyway because someone calculated that it would be worth it"
I don't think anyone expected sony to remove the game from the store though so they probably fucked up in that regard. |
They fucked up all around, because the game now has less than half of its lifetime predicted sales. The majority of the sales are on PC, so sony can go fuck itself and die somewhere. The bigger issue is the game is not that good and it doesnt have the tail they anticipated. |
Disagree. Via mods by the community or magic patches, the game will eventually get to a better state.
The derpstation store removal is forever. For whatever reason sony stated and even if it represented a minority of all sales, it will be remembered and probably for more than a blow on potential sales lost. IIRC it was pretty much unprecedented for an AAA game to be removed like this.
But fuck CDPR, they deserve all the shit they're getting over this. Sucks for the "little guys" to be fucked over by the greed of some of the idiots in there, but that's life.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 15:44 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | IIRC it was pretty much unprecedented for an AAA game to be removed like this. |
CDPR really only have themselves to blame for it due to that refund announcement they made without first talking to MS and Sony (more mismanagement). The game on PS4 passed certification, so Sony was obviously happy enough to have the game on their platform before that (not to mention all the shovelware they actively promote, like that Life of Black Tiger and similar shit).
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 16:33 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | In other words, they thought they already were the new Rockstar after one successful release (W3)  |
All of their releases were masivelly succesful. The first Witcher was multimillion seller. It performed so good it enabled them to make W2. Witcher 2 again was so good they could make W3 off of it.
| tonizito wrote: | | qqq wrote: | | Surray wrote: | whenever one wonders "how could they be so stupid? how could they not see this would happen? who thought this was a good idea?", the answer is pretty much always "they knew and did it anyway because someone calculated that it would be worth it"
I don't think anyone expected sony to remove the game from the store though so they probably fucked up in that regard. |
They fucked up all around, because the game now has less than half of its lifetime predicted sales. The majority of the sales are on PC, so sony can go fuck itself and die somewhere. The bigger issue is the game is not that good and it doesnt have the tail they anticipated. |
Disagree. Via mods by the community or magic patches, the game will eventually get to a better state.
The derpstation store removal is forever. For whatever reason sony stated and even if it represented a minority of all sales, it will be remembered and probably for more than a blow on potential sales lost. IIRC it was pretty much unprecedented for an AAA game to be removed like this.
But fuck CDPR, they deserve all the shit they're getting over this. Sucks for the "little guys" to be fucked over by the greed of some of the idiots in there, but that's life. |
The game was playable on PC from the start. Moreso now. The reason there are 3 times as many players right now for Witcher 3 than Cyberpunk is, as ive said, because the game is not that good. If it was the most polished and stable game in existence, the game is a 6/10 at the very maximum. Its ultra short compared with W3 and what is there is just not that engaging compared to W3. The main story is not as interesting, the side missions arent as well, the main character isnt Geralt.
So, even when the game is in a perfect technical condition, the quality of the gameplay and design isnt there.
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TiHKAL
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2021 04:52 Post subject: |
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"we have expanded our internal security department;"
I think they misspelled "We actually hired someone*"
I suppose hiring one person would make that statement true and also not sound nearly as bad. lol
All those improvements are literally the minimum any corp that is worth 1/15th of the value of CDPR already has in place.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2021 05:15 Post subject: |
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I think why most are butthurt, lol, is that most ran out and bought a shiny new GPU for this, well, the ones that were quick enough  and hey-ho, there ya go  Double Whammy, shit man, dude! 
I actually love the game for what it is, lol, very playable, and enjoyable, but hey, that's me, although I do find it funny, how one can call out bugs and shit in a game, but totally ignore the buggy mess it's running on?
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2021 05:59 Post subject: |
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| scaramonga wrote: | I think why most are butthurt, lol, is that most ran out and bought a shiny new GPU for this, well, the ones that were quick enough and hey-ho, there ya go Double Whammy, shit man, dude!
I actually love the game for what it is, lol, very playable, and enjoyable, but hey, that's me, although I do find it funny, how one can call out bugs and shit in a game, but totally ignore the buggy mess it's running on? |
I haven't tried again, I picked it up launch day for PC and buildings were transparent and trees were visible through everything. I put it down after 1 hour and decided to wait. I still haven't gone back, however, I will.
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| TiHKAL wrote: | | scaramonga wrote: | I think why most are butthurt, lol, is that most ran out and bought a shiny new GPU for this, well, the ones that were quick enough and hey-ho, there ya go Double Whammy, shit man, dude!
I actually love the game for what it is, lol, very playable, and enjoyable, but hey, that's me, although I do find it funny, how one can call out bugs and shit in a game, but totally ignore the buggy mess it's running on? |
I haven't tried again, I picked it up launch day for PC and buildings were transparent and trees were visible through everything. I put it down after 1 hour and decided to wait. I still haven't gone back, however, I will. |
It's mostly in the same state as in the early days.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jun 2021 15:25 Post subject: |
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back on the PS store.
Not patches or anything, and probably they wont even bother fixing it any longer so yeah:
Its still shit but lets put it back.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jun 2021 15:37 Post subject: |
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| TiHKAL wrote: | | I haven't tried again... |
I did.
/sigh
It still runs as shit. 90-99% GPU usage no matter the settings + mouse aiming / look feels like it's processed through molasses.
These dorks never heard of raw mouse on first person games. Fuck, man, even The Witcher 3 had a setting allowing for raw input.
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yeah, nothing has changed, some very specific fixes like:
During 3:00AM - 4:00AM gamtime the cars left door wont clip through red sideway railings when the rain is falling in 1 district.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jun 2021 15:54 Post subject: |
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It's like this game is made by a different company than the one that gave us Witcher 3...
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Jun 2021 16:21 Post subject: |
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probably they had a very high fluctuation in the company so new devs arrived while others left, they ended up doing shitty coding, applying different logic each time.
And also covid hit.
You can see that most of the games and movies are pretty shitty due to covid.
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^ I don't believe that in December 2021 we'll have a finished, polished, optimized Cyberpunk 2077 game.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jun 2021 01:13 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | | ^ I don't believe that in December 2021 we'll have a finished, polished, optimized Cyberpunk 2077 game. |
Given the speed of the updates so far...yeah, more like 2022 december.
If they are willing to do something of course...
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jun 2021 01:23 Post subject: |
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I wanted to say something about upholding a good image in order to sell, but who am i kidding? People will buy anything as long as it's new.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jun 2021 14:26 Post subject: |
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Patch 1.23 live
| Quote: | Patch 1.23 for Cyberpunk 2077 is live!
You can find the list of changes below:
Quests & Open World
Space Oddity
Fixed an issue where the "Open the package" objective could change location.
Gig: Family Matters
Fixed an issue where Juliet's car could disappear on sight after completing the quest.
Fixed a streaming issue in Juliet's house.
Fixed an issue where it wasn't possible to enter Juliet's house if the player didn't meet either of the Attribute requirements.
The Heist
Fixed an issue where Jackie could go through glass.
Fixed an issue preventing some guards from attacking the player.
Fixed an issue where the "Search the Arasaka officer" objective could remain active after fulfilling it.
Fixed an issue where the mech didn't spawn in the lobby.
Fixed an issue where some Arasaka guards could clip through the door.
Fixed an issue where some guards could spawn on player's sight.
Fixed an issue where Arasaka officer's body could be unaccessible, making the player unable to loot the shard and blocking progression.
The Nomad
Removed unnecessary button prompts.
The Hunt
The news segment in the shard from River will now properly play audio.
The Beast in Me
Fixed an issue where progression could be blocked if the player left Claire after the Santo Domingo race too early.
Queen of the Highway
Fixed an issue where the Basilisk could clip through some of the trees.
Down on the Street
Fixed an issue where there were no quest-related dialogue options when talking to Wakako.
Forward to Death
Smoke and dust will no longer flicker when riding the Basilisk.
Gig: Goodbye, Night City
Fixed an issue where progression could get blocked after rescuing Bruce if the player called Delamain.
Path of Glory
Fixed an issue where V could get stuck in the AV if they stood at the landing spot before it arrived.
Gig: No Fixers
Fixed an issue where it wasn't possible to open the door to Dakota's garage at the end of the quest.
Fixed an issue where Iris could teleport instead of walking.
Gig: Getting Warmer...
Fixed an issue where fixer's car could drive straight through the intersection instead of turning right.
Fixed an issue where the prompt to use the coolant on 8ug8ear could still be selected while plugging her out, which could break the animation.
Fixed an issue where it wasn't possible to pick up 8ug8ear.
Fixed an issue where NPCs could spawn underground, blocking progression.
Gig: Many Ways to Skin a Cat
Fixed an issue where notifications from Regina regarding this gig could appear during The Heist.
Fixed an issue where it was possible to connect to the computer after failing the quest by destroying the van, which resulted in player getting stuck.
Fixed an issue where progression could get stuck on the "Go to Revere Courier Services facilities" objective.
Cyberpsycho Sighting: Where the Bodies Hit the Floor
Fixed an issue where after collecting the information the next objective to send it to Regina wouldn't appear.
Cyberpsycho Sighting: On Deaf Ears
Fixed an issue where after collecting the information the next objective to send it to Regina wouldn't appear.
I Fought the Law
Fixed an issue where River wouldn't be present at the meeting spot before entering Red Queen's Race.
Gameplay
Fixed an issue where after killing a NPC and stealing their car, their body could get stuck in the car.
Adam Smasher will no longer receive damage during animations between his attack phases.
Fixed an issue where dropping a NPC's body caused too much destruction.
Cataresist cyberware should now work properly.
Visual
Fixed Johnny's spectral appearance in various quests.
Fixed various issues related to clipping in NPCs' clothes.
Fixed appearance of rocks in the Badlands.
The Pickup
Fixed an issue where one of the Maelstromers was T-posing.
Stability and performance
Numerous crash fixes in animations, UI, scene, physics and gameplay systems.
Memory optimizations and memory management improvements in various systems (reducing the number of crashes).
Various console CPU optimizations.
Memory and I/O improvement leading to fewer instances of NPCs with identical appearances spawning in the same area, and to improved streaming.
PC-specific
Fixed an issue where it wasn't possible to click the upgrade button while playing with 1280x720 resolution.
Fixed an issue where toggling the Windowed and Fullscreen modes with Alt+Enter made the game appear unresponsive.
[Steam] Changing language settings to default will now set it to the language of the Steam client.
A popup message asking to verify integrity of game data will now be displayed when incomplete or corrupted game data is detected.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jun 2021 14:33 Post subject: |
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It's not a hotfix...
It is however, again, clearly a list of fixes, that normally would have been corrected during the alpha phase of development.
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