Fan cares. Blue haired, overweight, nose-ring wearing girls in their 15-20's might like it, yes.
That's why its getting trashed by everyone apart from shills. The show itself is 100% ideology loaded, that's why fans called him out in the first place.
The fans wanted He-Man (like... it's in the title, right?). What they got was HE-MA'AM.
If he wants to do a show about Teela, that's absolutely fine, call it Masters of the Universe - Teela, totally fine by anyone. But to try to trick fans that it's a He-Man show when it clearly isnt, that's lying, he's clearly mocking fans "lol i'm gonna kill him twice! they're gonna get sooo pissed lulz!". He could easily have told the truth too, or chosen not to say anything, usually that comes off better than lying when you adress fans. just saying.
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Why would any He-Man fan watch a show which is just made to mock them? Why would they watch a show where the showrunner is lying to them? I'm betting you would let Cuckin Smith fuck you up the ass too, "what.. its not gay.. maybe try it before you judge hurr durr!!!!"
Lol, fucking IQ 30 retard. also i'm beginning to doubt you're even watching it.
If you don't understand that he mocks the original He-Man fans by
Spoiler:
killing him off twice
, and fucking lying straight to their faces that it's absolutely not something that's going to happen and that the show is totally 100% about HE-MAN, not Teela. Then yeah, you're just not willing to get it. I think you do (unless your IQ really is 30), but you refuse to admit it.
The new Star Wars movies were advertised as we we're going to see the original characters once again. Many fans were pretty hyped up about it. What the fans got was something else; their favorite characters killed off (in lazy, stupid, nonsensical ways), and before that derpified and lessened, sometimes portrayed as fools or losers. So yes, totally in line with this.
Also, i've "moved on" since i first heard about it no real interest since i knew it was going to be like this. That doesn't mean i can't discuss it, it's not like i'm invested in any way in this, apart from a few minutes on this forum. "move on" lol.. I have nothing more to add, so sure.
Fan cares. Blue haired, overweight, nose-ring wearing girls in their 15-20's might like it, yes.
OR kids, that grew up in this "I dont understand this generation", generation to us.
Remember my dad, and saying my GI joe was a bastardized carnival circus of outrageous and dumb characters compared to his? The way he asked one day "Who is that fucking dyke?" pointing at the TV cartoon to Lady Jaye...We are now that guy.
My kids liked it, I watched a little not my cup of tea..but really any 'serious cartoon' type cartoon isnt in last 10-15 years. Closest I ever got to that genre was Samurai Jack.
But then realized current colored 'damn kids now-a-days and their change the world agendas' plot or not, He-Man I remember as a kids is a He-man that never really existed to start with:
Watching a few old ones recently since it got my curiosity: It was a badly animated, cheesy shallow paper thin plot and story kids cartoon. It was just tinted with childish wonder back then, the same that made us play with plastic figures with friends in the backyard for hours and somehow was the best time in the world. The same one that makes sticks into guns, and a sheet between some tree branches a fort.
So we just outgrown what we was fond of as kids. As we only like it now out of nostalgia..if the old one never existed and was a new show released now, you would not like it. We'd have a thread here talking about how comically bad the dialog writing is and how the premises is childish and 'dumb', and how cheaply drawn this new 'hero' cartoon is.
So we demand kids enjoy what we enjoyed in the same way we did, like my dad trying to get me to like the old GI Joe. Since we THINK that's the best way...because it was for us 30 years ago...time and times moves on, our nostalgia sadly doesn't.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Watched first episode and i really liked it. I expected no more than some sort of faithful remake of the 80's show which I loved as kid but looking back on it, it was cheesy as fuck but I expected to enjoy a new version of that for the laughs.
What I got so far was way more depth to the characters than we ever had in the originals which to be honest was made for selling toys.
Gonna watch the rest tomorrow. I really like this
"Sometimes when you do things right, people are not sure you've done anything at all." -- God (Futurama)
It feels to me that the new series is basically to apologize for female crowd's (which is probably minority that will watch the show anyway) about the "he" word in the main title.
We all know that he-man series was always mainly targets specific crowd which happened to be mostly men , and that crowd is basically the majority which got interested in the series.
Now, there is nothing wrong to improve female characters, it was never the series about to downsize females characters, but if you are going to ruin and humiliated popular characters just for their gender or trying the series won't feel "misogynistic" for making male lead character you are not only hypocrite, you deserve the poor reviews and fans abandoning the series, its last Jedi over again.
Just silly to compare it to the 80's show, compare almost anything that is made today to what was done in the 80's, almost any action movie, comedy has often aged just as badly, tons of music too is just cringe, no one would make it like that today.. The 80's show is exactly what you would expect for something done in the 80's, it's shallow, cringe etc. No one is asking for that or should expect that.
Fans are mad because they brought the stupid culture / feminist war to the series when it's not needed. Also they could've named it Masters of the Universe - Teela. Call the fans anti-feminists all you want, doesn't make it less true that HE politicized it, not the fans.
Feminism in 2021 is also really retarded, they just turn the women into men, how.. progressive.
Fucking laughable. It could be a promotion image for some hardcore steroid i guess
This show is like if South Park made a parody of how stupid feminism has gotten.
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Teela gets angry at him when he gets back because its all about her feelings and not about him dying. she's angry she couldn't scream at him (since dead) yeah, while this actually does represent how spoiled brat feminists can act, it's not a well made progression of Teelas character. It's just an overall highly unlikable character, but she's done so that hardcore childish feminists can see themselves in her.
@vurt
While it's not my cup of tea as a show, I have to disagree.
Since this must be the first time in fantasy fiction a character (male or female) has been upset a character died and came back. And angry at them for what they did/did not do by choices and the consequences of it.
It's a Fantasy rebirth/reemergence trope done forever.
You want a dozen more examples of it? I can give you some.
-Surely you seen last airbender cartoon? Was the male character mad at Aang for dying and leaving the world without him and the aftermath a feminist too?
-OR star wars, I suppose Hans is a feminist too, since thats the only character type that would be (wrongfully) upset he thought a character was dead, to find out they are not/no longer.
-OR Rincewind in discworld and his anger at Twoflower for thinking he died to something stupid.
-OR Commissioner Gordan at batman when he thought he died and left gotham unprotected.
-Hell it happens in Beowulf..a 1000 year ago. the Geat clan to Beowulf when they think him dead to the first dragon.
You went in with a mindset of: "OK what does the character do I can blame it on her being an angry woman".
Shit show or not shit show aside...Its not even remotely a 'unique new agenda thing' in the realm of fantasy tropes use to create tension between main characters..
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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@vurt
While it's not my cup of tea as a show, I have to disagree.
Since this must be the first time in fantasy fiction a character (male or female) has been upset a character died and came back. And angry at them for what they did/did not do by choices and the consequences of it.
It's a Fantasy rebirth/reemergence trope done forever.
You want a dozen more examples of it? I can give you some.
-Surely you seen last airbender cartoon? Was the male character mad at Aang for dying and leaving the world without him and the aftermath a feminist too?
-OR star wars, I suppose Hans is a feminist too, since thats the only character type that would be (wrongfully) upset he thought a character was dead, to find out they are not/no longer.
-OR Rincewind in discworld and his anger at Twoflower for thinking he died to something stupid.
-OR Commissioner Gordan at batman when he thought he died and left gotham unprotected.
-Hell it happens in Beowulf..a 1000 year ago. the Geat clan to Beowulf when they think him dead to the first dragon.
You went in with a mindset of: "OK what does the character do I can blame it on her being an angry woman".
Shit show or not shit show aside...Its not even remotely a 'unique new agenda thing' in the realm of fantasy tropes use to create tension between main characters..
I went in with the mindset that it's very typical of a feminist showrunner to go with "her feelings first". I know this it not new. There's always a difference when you know what the showrunner is about, that changes things completely. It's a person with an agenda.
Also, it's not in line with her character at all. She's actually a strong woman, not a weak crybaby like portrayed here (don't let that steroid pumped up body they gave her fool you lol). Why reply when you have no insight into the series or characters.. you will not get it.
paxsali: yes what we refer to as "80's Gay"and just Gay, there's a difference
all muscles and feelz ofc they gave her the ultra-feminist hairstyle too
bet he's played last of us II 100 times he must have seen the drama surrounding that, wishing it was him doing something similar to gain in his woke ranking.
shill media will love him forever, just like Cuckman, he will always be safe, protected.
They are grifters and are doing it for clicks only! Monetizing Poutrage is their game, and they have been doing it for years. They can never present any credible sources and they might as well be Mike Zeroh (that fucking cunt nugget).
You know what? I bet if Jim Cameron's Aliens had been released first time this year, there would have been the usual "This is Woke! It's Sjw and the usual empty hate" coming from the now well known circle of youtube twitter jerks who are riding the algorithm 24/7 for clicks.
I mean, Aliens is "infested" with woke sjw shit... Several strong female characters, blacks and latinos and not just white males.
Horrible shit, right? Right????
Fuck em! They are as useful as tits on a fish!
ps. Also let's not forget that Teela being the daugther of Sergant at arms and her not knowing that Adam was actually He-Man was pretty much the only plot point that was left hanging when the original show ended...
"Sometimes when you do things right, people are not sure you've done anything at all." -- God (Futurama)
Being fair, I don't think it's entirely Kevin Smith fault.
He lied, but the fact that he tried doing damage control and basically knew what the show was truly going to be about implying it was the producers of the show for making feminist show to spite the old fans.
So much angry emotions over a 30 year old children's show made solely to hawk toys.
Like I said if the original never existed and came out now, there would be equally snide and judgemental comments for other reasons.
"When all you have is a hammer...."
I had a whole toybox full of he-man figures with the castle, and the vehicles, and all as a kid and was SUPER envious of friends that had ones I didn't. But doesn't mean my childhood delusion of depth, amplified by nostalgia now makes me care at all about what they rehash a 30 minute 1980's toy commercial into
It did for my childhood what it was suppose to, gave me endless fun with my friends spurred on by the colorful 30 minute infomercial playing daily it was. And I leave that back there where it belongs.
For its time it was the opposite but equal of this. A man centric macho muscled fest of ego, testosterone and fighting manly fights with an equally muscular skeleton man with the mostly manly of weapons a big phallic sword that makes you bigger. It was squarely and unapologetically targeted to boys and the ideals of what a 'strong alpha macho man' was. How, even if its true or not, them doing that centric focus for the other 50% of the human gender this go around bad?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
This show kind of reminded me of the Warren Ellis G.I. Joe: Resolute cartoon where they tried to make it have some emotional weight by killing off characters as it is aimed at the adults now that were kids in the 80s. If some kid that never watched He-Man in the 80s watched this, they are not going to care that it revolves around Teela this time or certain characters that they just were introduced to in episode 1 get killed of during the first 5 episodes.
Too many people seem to have a hard-on for He-Man though and couldn't get their release since he was not in the show enough for them.
@DXwarlock
It's not relevant what someone who doesn't care for the brand thinks. When you take over a brand it does come with some responsibility because you have certain expectations to meet from fans. Like if you take over Star Wars and you turn it into a bad parody, shit all over lore, characters etc, or if you take over He-Man and do the same, it just won't sit well with actual fans.
Deal with it. It will always work like that, for games or movies, series.. Yes, feelings are attached to nostalgia, it's natural. If someone shits on a game remake or movie remake, or takes over a series and shits on it, then yes fans will not like it. It's a no-brainer.
You can lessen everything - games, series, comics "it was for kids", "it was made to make money", if you don't care for it then you're not the right person to speak for it.
Again, nothing wrong with doing a Teela show, it's not like it would be the first show about a female protagonist from this universe, which you would know if you had any interest. But its not called the Teela show it's called He-Man, and it's not about him, but advertised as such.
"its for kids", "they made it to make money".. where am i again, oh yeah, on a gaming forum. lol
They could've done a shit ton of money from toys from this.. we who are in our 40-50's now have way, way more money to spend as adults than we had as kids. now i doubt it will be success when it comes to that, real fans just think they've ruined it.
@vurt
Big difference between star wars, and a 80's lowest cost toy infomercial.
40-50 year olds that STILL love star wars enough to sell to, and ones that still like He-man enough to sell to is exponentially different in size.
And its not 'about the money?' They did it for charity and kindness of their heart? He-man has 100% the whole time about exploiting capitalism for gain off consumers
Being in a gaming forum does not change why they do it. It just changes why you do not like they do it: adults liking kids things still.
Its literally hasbro/mattel (the people that made he-man toys) that a CEO said (or at least re-said): Dont target the parents with money, target the kids to get parents to spend money.
I know LOTS of my friends that was kid fanatics about he-man/GI joe/Transformers. Not ONE of them would buy a toy of them now if remade. Just because our generation has the money, does not mean its not true only a TINY portion of them (your group) would give it up now for it.
Do you REALLY think the pool of 'real fans' (ones willing to fork over cash in their 40's and 50's and still hardcore fans) is a large enough one to justify target appealing to them? REALLY? If they are lucky it's 1 out of 20 that are still that big of a fan of it. Thats being optimistic.
IS there anyway this is targeted at the the narrow band of 40-50 year olds that still like it enough to buy toys, to where they would turn a profit, worth it for a big company like Mattel? https://nerdist.com/article/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-masterverse-first-look-images-toys-eternia-figures-he-man/
Adult consumer figuring collection is a narrow hobby to hit [Why Mattel does not do much of it to start with], Specifically he-man figurine collection by that same group even slimmer.
This is clearly not aimed at you. No matter what fanatics, fans on youtube, or Smith says...they was misguided (perhaps on purpose like the smith thing) or preemptively assumed and got hyped for what they only assumed.
Was it aimed at the wrong people to try to 'hit a fresh bullseye' perhaps...but that doesnt change the fact we are not the bullseye they was trying to hit to start with.
And I ask again:
For its time it was the opposite but equal of this. A man centric macho muscled fest of ego, testosterone and fighting manly fights with an equally muscular skeleton man with the mostly manly of weapons a big phallic sword that makes you bigger. It was squarely and unapologetically targeted to boys and the ideals of what a 'strong alpha macho man' was. How, even if its true or not, them doing that centric focus for the other 50% of the human gender this go around bad?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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Star Wars is a great example of something similarly mishandled. It's totally uninteresting that something is made to make money, it's all about how well made people think it is and if it gains a fan following or not (aka success or not). Pokemon was also made to sell toys, that doesn't mean people can't like it, it's not up to you.
I know tons of collectors (and obviously i collect myself) and all of them would buy (and are still buying both GI Joe, He-Man etc).. in fact the new He-Man toys that came out a few weeks ago sold out immediately, but i don't think the new wave / restock will sell well at all due to this mishandling of the show. He made sure the toys came out 3 weeks before episode 1. Smart move but it will still bite him in the ass and they could've done a shit ton of more money. Disney did this mistake too, the figures just sitting on the shelves because the fans (=the collectors) aren't buying.
Kids of today play games, they don't collect figures. They're are very, very small portion of sales when it comes to action figures today. It's a market for grown ups, just like this series is mostly something which adults will watch - collectors, fans of the original show or people who just remember He-Man and is curious. Kids have no idea what this is, they have millions of cartoons to watch, awesome animes etc, and most are invested in other brands already.
And i'll ask again, what's wrong with calling it Masters of the Universe - Teela and Girl Friends (or something similar). If you believe He-Man is all we've ever gotten when it comes to this universe you're wrong, but like always when it's female centric it's not as successful. He wanted to eat the cake and have it to, that doesn't work. He did try to trick people with the naming and now fans are pissed. This isn't rocket science.
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no real interest since i knew it was going to be like this. That doesn't mean i can't discuss it, it's not like i'm invested in any way in this, apart from a few minutes on this forum. "move on" lol.. I have nothing more to add, so sure.
he must have seen the drama surrounding that, wishing it was him doing something similar to gain in his woke ranking.
