basically dont use win10-11 that runs shit in background and cpus from 10+ years ago still work perfectly fine for full hd gaming, now if only them gpus werent all ponzi scheme mining in some caves in china ...
Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. Are you doing any heavy CPU work like crunching Pi or Folding @ Home etc.?
Last year the most CPU intensive game was Total War: Warhammer 2 (the battle part of the game) where the CPU chosen for being fast enough to not be the bottleneck was the 3900X.
Rainbow Six: Siege is depending on single core performance (it's def. not a multicore game).
Shadow of the Tomb Raider was optimized for multicore and the sweet spot was 6 cores which was 20% faster than 4 cores. Beyond 6 cores there was no really noticeable improvement in performance.
Far Cry 5 is surprisingly a single-core focused game which puts nearly everything on one core. The performance is thus much better on Intel.
Red Dead Redemption 2 is multicore optimized and 6-8 cores is optimal.
etc. etc. etc.
Apparently the single-core performance on the 5900X is much improved over the 3x00-series while the multicore performance on the 3900X is slightly better.
The 11700K isn't a good choice for most people unless they're working with heavily threaded programs (ie. not for gaming but instead for productivity, esp. since the price of the 11700K didn't make it particularly desirable).
But I'm not trying to slag your choices, I'm more curious why you got the 11700K in the first place (and I assume you got a new motherboard and possibly new RAM as well?) and then why you switched to AMD.
I see two scenarios where it makes sense to replace old hardware with new:
1. A main component (CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard, Monitor etc.) breaks
2. Your system is sluggish even when using Notepad, you can't get good frame rates in a game you like even after dropping the settings to low-medium.
There's a third scenario:
3. You have more money than you know what to do with. Even then it will still be difficult to get what you want if it's a GPU since you're going to have to go with whatever brand the scalper got his hands on which could mean a quite lackluster hardware solution with overheat issues or the GPU being at the bottom of the binning barrel.
I've been using my ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H Gaming, Intel i5-8400, 4*4 Kingston Predator DDR4, Gigabyte Geforce 1060 6GB O/C running on 1080P monitors/displays for quite a while (2017/2018 or something) and I still haven't found a reason to go out of my way to replace anything. The games I play, the applications I use etc. are running smoothly.
I've been part of the hardware addiction crowd since back in my Amiga days and when I built my first PC in 1995 I flicked through the computer mags I had and drooled over all the new hardware every month. As time passed I kept switching CPU (during the days when you didn't need a new motherboard after every 12-month tik-tok cycle), GPU and upgrading my RAM + getting bigger and faster HDD's as soon as I could afford.
Reflecting upon that after having followed the pricing chaos on the GPU market and Intels utter lack of innovation generation after generation after generation I realized I had been part of the massive crowd of hardware junkies that always wanted the next upgrade even though I didn't actually need it. After 6 months with a new system (or a major hardware overhaul at any rate) I started feeling the "stress" and urge to upgrade something that would give me the satisfaction I craved. I'm not stuck in that mentality any longer and I feel liberated. I'm still perfectly happy with my PC and it works perfectly well whether it's gaming or productivity applications like a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation to record and create music), Photoshop, programming etc. etc.
I don't feel the need to go 1440P (or 4K for that matter) and since I've never experienced 1440P personally with my PC (my Samsung mobile phone actually has full 1440P resolution on that 5.1" screen ) I don't "know" what I'm missing.
The only thing I feel I need is new storage. The SSD and HDD's in my system are old and I've already lost some semi-vital data from total disk failures (hours of recordings either from my bands practice space or some of my music projects) including two SSD's. However, when it comes to storage I see it differently than the rest since storage is very vital for productivity (in my case all the data that is part of any DAW project - project file, midi data, wavefiles incl. previous takes/versions so I can revert to a previous take etc.), all which takes a lot of space and requires fairly fast disk access/read/write speeds.
I actually have plans on building a NAS for backup purposes since I have a bunch of cases and older generation hardware laying around my apartment. I'd also like to get an NVME system drive since I've had my Samsung 840 Evo which is getting pretty damn old (the 840 Evo was released in 2012) and with bitter experience from my OCZ Vertex 4 where at least one NAND-chip died and my OCZ Vertex 2 which died completely, both resulting in some irreplaceable data loss due to my lack of redundant storage space, I feel it's time to replace my 840 Evo with something new as a system disk as well as buy a bunch of cheaper HDD's that I'll run in some kind of RAID setup (RAID5 or upwards) so I can feel fairly protected against data loss even if one or even two of the backup drives dies (even if it takes an eternity of rebuilding the lost data from the encoded redundancy on the good drives).
Long rant this but I just followed the line of thought I started with.
Today it happened. I've replaced my 11700K with Ryzen 5900X. This is my first AMD cpu since AthlonXP 2500+.
Are you noticing a big difference between those 2 chips?
Haven't tested yet, because I'm running it since last night. My new AM4 mb didn't support 5900X so I had to ask around for someone to loan me Ryzen 3-series CPU. After that I was able to upgrade the BIOS from the v1.00 (released forever ago) and then I was able to post with 5900X.
The reason for upgrade wasn't that much regarding the extra performance. The most annoying thig was that it run hot as hell. Being a pc enthusiast for over 20 years, this was the first CPU I had which literally run 100C during gaming and 3D Mark. The cooler was Kraken X52 with Kryonaut tim. I've re-applied it few times and the reason wasnt due to poor contact.
Z590 was a dead end anyway. AM4 still might have some hope with 5-series refresh.
I got 5900X for exactly the same money I've sold my 11700K and it's mb. AM4 mb has cost about 60€ due to pricing error at the local store. I was 99% sure they would cancel my order, and they didn't.
The whole upgrade might not have any sense at all, but at least I had a chance to play with both of them regardless which one is better.
ps. If anything, I might gain some extra performance in DaVinci Resolve not that 11700K was that bad either.
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The 5900X should run DaVinci Resolve just fine since it's very optimized for multithreaded systems and it's faster than all the Intel 10K series CPU's including showing 29% better performance than the 10900X (X-series)
Nice upgrade, you keep the same single core performance while getting 4 cores / 8 threads more, consumes less power aswell, 11700K will be noticiable slower in multithreaded applications like Davinci Resolve (depends heavily what you resolution videos you edit and what codecs / effects you will use).
Today it happened. I've replaced my 11700K with Ryzen 5900X. This is my first AMD cpu since AthlonXP 2500+.
Congrats, nice upgrade I'm still a bit in doubt to upgrade my 3600 to 5800X or 5900X. Prices are pretty decent now (~445E for 5900X and ~325€ for 5800X), but I'll probably await the 3D cache refresh from AMD and see what they do. A couple of additional cores would be nice sometimes.
haha, I just sidegraded my 1700X with a 3600X for min FPS and to keep me Company until AM5 hits. It will be one of the longest times I had the same Mobo on my main system and I hope to do the same with AM5.
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Today it happened. I've replaced my 11700K with Ryzen 5900X. This is my first AMD cpu since AthlonXP 2500+.
Congrats, nice upgrade I'm still a bit in doubt to upgrade my 3600 to 5800X or 5900X. Prices are pretty decent now (~445E for 5900X and ~325€ for 5800X), but I'll probably await the 3D cache refresh from AMD and see what they do. A couple of additional cores would be nice sometimes.
Yesterday I had a moment to play some Siege and run a few loops of 3D Mark Time Spy bench. The CPU temps were about 77C max so it's OK for what it's worth with this case. X62 is installed at the front with fans blowing inside the case. There is still some fans' curve fine tuning to be done but in general it works well even with the current curves.
I forgot to mention that I had to use my Arctic Cooling MX-4 TIM since I ran out of Kryonaut. More Kryonaut is on the way so there is still some hope that the temps might drop by a few degrees.
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77C max is just fine afaik. AC MX-4 is a good TIM at any rate. Are you trying to overclock it? (asking since Kryonaut is quite expensive for TIM even though it's cheaper than their other TIM's like the Conductonaut and Hydronaut).
77C max is just fine afaik. AC MX-4 is a good TIM at any rate. Are you trying to overclock it? (asking since Kryonaut is quite expensive for TIM even though it's cheaper than their other TIM's like the Conductonaut and Hydronaut).
77C is normal indeed, especially with this small case and my desk few cm just over it's top.
I prefer Kryonaut since I've been using it for years. MX-4 is excellent, especially if you compare it to MX-3 (Had some leftovers of MX-3 and had to throw it away because it was totally unusable.)
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How crucial is RAM speed for Ryzen CPUs? I'm thinking about swapping my 6700k for an 8-core Ryzen and reusing my 32gb 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance would save me a good chunk of money. I think I read that RAM timings was a big deal for first-gen Ryzen, is it still the same?
How crucial is RAM speed for Ryzen CPUs? I'm thinking about swapping my 6700k for an 8-core Ryzen and reusing my 32gb 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance would save me a good chunk of money. I think I read that RAM timings was a big deal for first-gen Ryzen, is it still the same?
if cpus can turboboost, why cant ram by now ..., ud think it go hand in hand
im to lazy to spend days with timings for little to no gains, certainly some algorythm can do it by now
You've got your answer in bold. Just use the XMP profile and see if you can raise the frequency (on Intel, frequency is king while timings are less important but even then you'll get diminishing returns on anything beyond ~3400). I've spent a lot of time tweaking my system and after trying dozens of RAM settings I found that slightly looser timings with a higher frequency (that I can boot at and run without errors) was the best setup. I did read some articles saying the same.
My DDR4 is faster at 1632MHz @ 16-17-17-42 than 1560MHz @ 15-16-16-38 (tested with various tools like Prime95, 3DMark etc.). Ultimately it's unlikely you'll notice any kind of difference unless you go from 2666 to more high-end 3200-3400 DDR4 with tighter timings and even then the performance different will mostly be negligible.
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) I don't "know" what I'm missing.
