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Coflash




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PostPosted: Fri, 17th Dec 2021 23:21    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
Hopefully the new engine won't tragically choke whenever there are more than a few AI entities enabled, that's always been ARMA's Achilles heel and the main reason large-scale combat has been so difficult to reproduce. Mods such as the ALiVE one help, but only to a minor degree. Fingers crossed, it does look promising indeed Razz

This part though:
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The Enfusion engine is cross-platform, and thus enables the concurrent development of games for PC, Xbox and PlayStation

4RM4 gamepad edition incoming? Failed Troll


A3 didn't work so bad on controllers, for infantry movement anyway. Operation Flashpoint 2 went the console accessible route, and now it no longer exists, so they'd be pretty dumb to cater to that crowd too much
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th May 2022 10:19    Post subject:
I reckon enfusion engine A4 gonna be mind blowing.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 08:39    Post subject:
Arma's creative mod scene on a good engine in Arma 4 would be nice.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 08:57    Post subject:
Good... engine...? And ARMA... in the same sentence?!

That would be nice Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 09:48    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
I reckon enfusion engine A4 gonna be mind blowing.


More like PC blowing.


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 15:28    Post subject:
They're making Arma 4 multipaltform Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


They just could not resist, cocksuckers

https://imgur.com/a/3JqMOPB

"introduce arma to to a new, console oriented audience"

"military simulation" as opposed to mil simulator


may you fucks go out of business
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 16:36    Post subject:
The Target Group specifics feels so weird to read. likely to have young children, lives in well established areas etc Laughing also age up to 45 feels off, i bet they have MANY 50+ players.

Overall this is going to piss off absolutely everyone, everything from also focusing on consoles to targeting "male audience" etc. its like they've made sure to include everyone who can possibly get a little triggered (i'm a little age group triggered, fucking kids!! ) Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 16:40    Post subject:
im not sure all the modders who performed all these arma miracles are still alive or still up to the challange, golden days of modding are loooong gone.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 16:41    Post subject:
they've counted them out, it's the 46+ year old range Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 16:55    Post subject:
That pdf is so awful from start to finish its almost like a parody. Everything we like to say here in our endless and neverending complaints about everything, its like they read this forum, looked at ixi's parodoy photoshops and actually made everything a reality.


I just cant fathom building a very specific audience for a one of a kind game for 21 years, since 2001. Being extremely succesfull, selling in the tens of millions in total, being in the top of steam CC players after nearly 10 years since launch. Then just pissing everything in pursuit of an imaginary audience that doesnt exist.

These guys are doing the "wow killer" movement of the 00s, that killed almost every mmo that believed there was a huge mmo audience and not realizing there was WOW audience, and they didnt cared about their game. These are guys are making documented mistakes that are almost 20 years old.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 23:38    Post subject:
@qqq: Laughing
we can't have nice things, dammit. The strong multiplayer focus is also concerning for me since I'm only interested in single-player-related content, we'll see how they'll handle that part. I really hope they won't completely fuck it up, but that pdf is very sad indeed.

I sent them this one on Twitter but I fear it will only make things worse Sad



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vurt




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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 23:48    Post subject:
Laughing the map should be even further out, its one thing that has made me go WTF with so many games, so fucking irritating that they can't push it to the corner.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 00:36    Post subject:
At least it's two games, hopefully the ARMA 4 we eventually get is void of most of the shite mentioned above
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 01:58    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
hopefully

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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 02:03    Post subject:
What's the size and solvability of their target audience?

Because they might not care about their legacy "Arma 4? Nah, we're now making a Candy Crush-like. We'll make millions, fast, while virtually putting no real work in.
We are a company, we go wherever profit leads us, thank you very much".

I'd like to see data on that, because my hypothesis is that this "old breed" is dying out with replacements few and far between, while this younger, new audience has clear, easily satisfiable needs in entertainments, and are gigantic cash-cows.

So why bother taking financial risks when you could go mainstream and make a killing nonetheless. They'll water it down as much as needed.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 02:07    Post subject:
@HubU
Ask the makers of Project Cars 3 how realizing you have a shrinking fanbase of sim, and try to make the next one an arcade works out by alienating the loyal base you have to try to attract new players 3-4 'series' in. Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 02:17    Post subject:
DXWarlock wrote:
@HubU
Ask the makers of Project Cars 3 how realizing you have a shrinking fanbase of sim, and try to make the next one an arcade works out by alienating the loyal base you have to try to attract new players 3-4 'series' in. Razz


Oh, you're preaching into the choir. Even though I'm only 35, I've been playing old-school (war)games for decades now, and I've already lived through countless IPs ruined by greed and completely misguided visions for "what's next".

As qqq said, those failings are well-documented, yet, they will never fucking learn, will they?

They think that because it's "them" (whomever pompous C-class asses "them" might be) at the helm, that THIS TIME, it'll work, not even beginning to entertain the idea that it never will, because the recipe itself is fucked.
Bunch of clowns in suits.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 03:24    Post subject:
We knew it was multiplatform already, its a business and this makes money. Will just have to wait and see, there are no more PC exclusive games.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 03:45    Post subject:
It has always been a business and it has always made money. Like that cool dude 'Coflash' said at the top of the page, this was tried already with Operation Flashpoint and those games alienated everyone before flopping hard. The devs who made it are still a business, but they don't make money on that IP anymore.

They would be really fucking stupid to do anything like that. Beyond fucking stupid.

It's not as if difficulty options couldn't already be customised to the nth-degree, it was as much of a sim as you wanted it to be. You could make the AI's accuracy stormtrooper level if you wanted to, right out of the box.

'Reforger' is probably going to test the waters to see how much they can get away with. There's no way their playerbase is going to settle for the shit in those slides.

One thing I always loved about ARMA's weapons is the sensible sized iron sights. Eg: the 1911 is *perfect*, no other game gets them right. There's a million little things like that. If I see one fucking weapon taking up 2/3 of the screen like some console trash, I'm going to shit.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 04:19    Post subject:
They have had decent competition take a lot of marketshare from them as well over the years couple of years, Squad, Battlegrounds and there were few other games. Battlegrounds was a big market as well, I think they are forced to to cater to these players.

I'm guessing some always online multiplayer where you can customize your player with green hair, tattoos and other dumb shit, I hope not but this seems to be where the money is. If we are lucky we get a typical ARMA release with SP as well.
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 10:04    Post subject:
You guys are just haters. Stop being gatekeepers for this series, everyone deserves to be able to play it and win every scenario with zero losses and full accessibility options enabled, including story mode and one button press to win Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2022 20:33    Post subject:
So, they launched this reforged thing, which isnt Arma 4, thats eons into the future. Looked around on steam:

Mouse negative acceleration, supposedly

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1874880/discussions/0/5019836142104683992/

Can't rebind mouse buttons to every action and aparently no cfg acces as before

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1874880/discussions/0/5019836142104566289/

"So far i can rebind all my keys but cant rebind any as a hold function. I also cant rebind my controls to a mouse at all which is jarring considering the previous game (arma 3) was all about using the mouse buttons.

Any workaround or will they patch it in? "

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1874880/discussions/0/5019836142104762423/
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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2022 21:37    Post subject:
just read history what happened to operation flashpoint IP Sad , goddang that game was pure heaven for a wargamer back then, it had it all
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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2022 23:38    Post subject:


It's a good, detailed video but I would take many things he says with a grain of salt, his entire presence online mostly depends on milsims, ARMA in particular. Loads of excuses for why things are the way they are, rather than pointing out they could have just waited.

$40 / 57% 'mixed' reviews

No vehicles / air assets apart from wheeled vehicles

Seems it runs nicely but it looks more like a tech demo than an early access game. For $40? No thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue, 17th May 2022 23:58    Post subject:
Poker Face this was the big announcement?
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2022 00:32    Post subject:
FYI there's a 9GB IGGGAMES repack if you want to try it
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2022 01:57    Post subject:
Wow the animations are so bad. Stick out like a sore thumb with the updated graphics.
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th May 2022 05:01    Post subject:
I played it for a while today

Some animations are pretty bad but others are better. Third person seems to be a lot more refined now, as is the transition from 3rd to 1st

Vaulting over things feels a bit better. You have a jump key now, no more 'press to vault'. You can either do a little jump anywhere or if you're near something you'll vault over it more smoothly than before

The RADIO. COMMANDS. Are STILL. SPOKEN. Like THIS.

The inventory and controls are a lot more streamlined. Not entirely bad, but if you want to perform complex actions like before, I'm unsure of how you can do that.

Performance from medium > ultra didn't change much. Around 80 - 120FPS on medium, 80 - 100 on ultra (9700K/3080). It doesn't look as good as any of the trailers. Visuals feel marginally better than ARMA 3 at times. Walking around towns = same old Blockville assets. Time of day plays a massive part in all of this. A sunny day doesn't look as good as dawn / dusk / night (with lights).

Looooads of stuttering and pop-in

Overall performance is smoother than ARMA 3... however... since maybe 1/10 of ARMA's mechanics are actually here now, there's probably a good reason for that.
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