Nolan's doing a biography? Eh I'd rather have him making another weird-ass project, but I guess tenet really under-performed and maybe he's forced to play it safe (well, safer) with a biography.
What a waste IMO
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
I don't find Nolan to be the big great director that he's being portrayed as.... Memento was really good due to it's unique style and story, The Prestige was good, The Dark Knight was okay, *Interstellar was okay, Inception was somewhat okay.. and that's it. Dunkirk was a borefest, Tenet was so flawed and full of plotholes as well as superficial, basing the whole premise on a cheap gimmick.
“Dark Knight was OK, Inception was OK, [Interstellar] was somewhat OK”
Please share, “IYHO”, a better comic book movie, a more elaborate action movie, a better heist movie, a better science fiction movie, etc from the last 20 years. Maybe, just maybe The Martian for the last category, and it’s a much smaller scale script, so I wouldn’t put them in the same category of science fiction. Nothing else comes close.
The issues with Dunkirk and Tenet are all down to lack of Jonathan Nolan’s finishing touches. But still well above Hollywood crapolas.
“Dark Knight was OK, Inception was OK, [Interstellar] was somewhat OK”
Please share, “IYHO”, a better comic book movie, a more elaborate action movie, a better heist movie, a better science fiction movie, etc from the last 20 years. Maybe, just maybe The Martian for the last category, and it’s a much smaller scale script, so I wouldn’t put them in the same category of science fiction. Nothing else comes close.
The issues with Dunkirk and Tenet are all down to lack of Jonathan Nolan’s finishing touches. But still well above Hollywood crapolas.
Inception is masterpiece, Interstellar great too. Tenet is the only embarrassing failure he's really put out there, kind of a special movie because unlimited money, a director with full control and the retarded idea of inversion as a concept. A movie like Tenet doesn't happen very often,
1 min google someone just talking about Tenet, movie is a joke.
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Agree with the poor story. I too expected to get a real and proper explanation that never came. The whole "these guys don't believe in the grandfather paradox" is possibly the poorest handwave in history of cinema; and the reasoning that they want to invert time so they can survive in their depleted world would have needed a lot more elaboration to make sense. The worldbuilding in general is poor; and a lot of things that would need more detailed explanations are left obscure. For example if the protagonist ultimately travels back in time for years to recruit Neil, how does this work? Is moving against the stream of time, constantly being dependent on inverted air, not really exhausting and complicated? How do inverted people eat (because they surely have to eat in order to survive)? For people moving with time, it would look as if they "unchew" something and then produce an untouched meal - which other people then would be able to eat, to make the whole thing more confusing. Or: how does the backwards car chase work? If the protagonist doesn't drive an inverted car (and since he randomly picks a car outside, it's safe to assume that he doesn't), he shouldn't be able to start it in the first place... and even if he was, this card shouldn't be able to drive faster than the reverse gear does. And so on. All in all, my hunch is that Nolan had the idea for these cool scenes and then crafted a background and a story around them, but didn't really bother with refining these ideas. It worked perfectly well in Inception, but it didn't work at all here. What's probably the worst part about this is that he could have rolled with a completely different backstory than "sinister cabal from the future with extremely dubious motives wants to annihilate us for their own gain" and still have produced a movie that was 98% the same apart from a few lines of dialogue; which just shows how weak that backstory is.
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“Dark Knight was OK, Inception was OK, [Interstellar] was somewhat OK”
Please share, “IYHO”, a better comic book movie, a more elaborate action movie, a better heist movie, a better science fiction movie, etc from the last 20 years. Maybe, just maybe The Martian for the last category, and it’s a much smaller scale script, so I wouldn’t put them in the same category of science fiction. Nothing else comes close.
The issues with Dunkirk and Tenet are all down to lack of Jonathan Nolan’s finishing touches. But still well above Hollywood crapolas.
A better comic book movie: Deadpool 1 & 2, Watchmen, Kingsmen, Logan etc.
A more elaborate action movie (why specifically "elaborate"? What does that even mean?): Django Unchained, Oldboy, Kill Bill etc.
A better heist movie: Snatch, Ocean's Eleven, The Italian Job etc.
A better science fiction movie: Children of Men, Equilibrium, Timecrimes etc.
You word your post in a very specific way, basically asking me to find a movie that is very similar but I'm replying based on genre. I enjoyed the movies I put in my answers in each category more than the Nolan ones.
And again, I'm just sharing my personal opinion. No need to take it so personal.
"But still well above Hollywood crapolas."
At least Tenet was pure Hollywood...
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Is Tenet a Hollywood movie?
It was the first Hollywood tent-pole to open in theaters after the pandemic shutdown, and grossed $363 million worldwide, making it the fifth-highest-grossing film of 2020.
I word it in a specific way, because the movies are very peculiar without direct comparison. All his movies have been so unique. This is one of the reasons Dunkirk doesn't work, because he attempted applying his editing and storytelling style to a script that such tools make no sense. It was a passion project for Christoper specifically, which is part of the problem, and there was no one to reign him in.
Tenet is not as bad as implied here, but still very good. I watched it with a very different mindset when initially released in 2020, but I have watched it twice over the last week, and I enjoy it a lot. I don't like the sound mixing here, and the soundtrack isn't very good. But I do like the story and overall structure.
Like I said before, the biggest problem Christopher Nolan has is that Jonathan no longer seems to be involved with his movies. Jonathan seems to be the one responsible for subtlety and humanity in earlier films, and these qualities are lacking in Dunkirk and Tenet. Christopher seems to be a lot more interested in plot twists, plot gimmicks and editing intrigues—basically, art house projects with $200m budgets —but isn't capable or is disinterested of making the stories very coherent. Together, the Nolan brothers did good on their joint scripts. We'll see how this one turns out to be.
I don't find Nolan to be the big great director that he's being portrayed as.... Memento was really good due to it's unique style and story, The Prestige was good, The Dark Knight was okay, *Interstellar was okay, Inception was somewhat okay.. and that's it. Dunkirk was a borefest, Tenet was so flawed and full of plotholes as well as superficial, basing the whole premise on a cheap gimmick.
IMHO of course.
* corrected from Inception.
If I was to score the movies mentioned this is my current opinion:
Memento - 9
The Prestige - 8
The Dark Knight - 6.5
Interstellar - 7.5
Inception - 7
Tenet - 5.8
Memento gets a 9 because of the clever and interesting plot, the visual style and the main characters. It was really interesting and exciting to follow the journey.
The Prestige gets an 8 simply because it's a well crafted period piece with good actors and interesting characters and a good story. Including Nicola Tesla (David Bowie) was a plus.
Interstellar gets 7.5 because of it's amazing space CGI and acting. The reason it doesn't get more than that is because I felt it suffered from a pacing issues, esp. with the first half of the movie dragging it's feet and after having seen it twice I doubt I'll see it again. It's still a fairly good movie once it picks up the pace.
Inception gets a 7 because it's an interesting idea with good actors that unfortunately overuse the then-novelty visual effects while the story is quite basic behind the reality-warping visuals.
The Dark Knight get 6.5 simply because it didn't do that much for me. Yes, it's good looking etc. but I've never been much of a Batman-on-the-screen fan to begin with.
Tenet only get 5.8 since the whole reverse-concept (which thought it was so clever including the palindrome title that hinted at the forward/backward thing) had some serious holes and flaws in it while the sound mix was horrendous. I remember I had some high expectations but after having watched it I felt very let down.
"Tenet is not as bad as implied here" - and that's your opinion which is perfectly fine, I respect that. My opinion differs and the only one my opinion matters to in this case is myself. When I share my opinion like this I'm not trying to write an objective review, I'm purely basing my opinion on the enjoyment level I got out of watching a particular show/movie and any particular issues I might have with it.
Try giving it a second watch, might surprise you. I also disliked it a lot in 2020, but this last week, it has pulled me more than expected. Using the ffmpeg line I provided, the audio mix becomes a lot more tolerable. As with all (Dunkirk excluded) Nolan films, a lot of details hides behind multiple layers that require more than one watch.
Try giving it a second watch, might surprise you. I also disliked it a lot in 2020, but this last week, it has pulled me more than expected. Using the ffmpeg line I provided, the audio mix becomes a lot more tolerable. As with all (Dunkirk excluded) Nolan films, a lot of details hides behind multiple layers that require more than one watch.
At least that movie FORCED me to check if I had setup my soundbar correctly. I hadn't. Once fixed and dolby atmos was actually working properly, I suddenly could hear the dialogue clearly. But not everybody has a $$$$ sound setup at home. What next? HDR that is optimized for TVs that can show 8000 nits?
No matter how much you spin it, in many scenes, both Washington and Pattison are so soft spoken, the music drowns them. It’s on purpose. Also, Tenet comes with a 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio track only, so no matter how much $$$$ you got ripped off for your sound bar, there is no Atmos data in there.
Also, Atmost in a sound bar is as ridiculous as Atmos in the TV speakers A sound bar just cannot create a wide enough soundscape to give you a discernible per-object positional audio separation. You have fallen for buzz words and marketing ploy.
Right, I just checked it's exactly as you described DTS HD ma 5.1 24 and anyhow, it still sounded much better after I had setup the sound correctly (I accidentially enforced PCM on my TV).
As for the soundbar: It's ok and maybe this is as good as soundbars can get? I have no clue, it's my first soundbar...
I bought it to acompany my new TV with the same width.
I wouldn't have been able to get a much better setup for the money that I have spent (I also bought the wireless rear speakers but don't even have the room to set them up and our moron neighbors complain about noise anyway) so I'm at "5+"2"".1."2" xD
I do believe a high quality stereo system with a modest receiver, to downmix the content, would give you a better audio experience. I have yet to hear a sound bar that produces a clearer sound than midrange stereo speakers. Sound bars remind me of 5.1 headphones; the promise is much more in the intellectual “trust me bro” level, rather than in practice. Both are bested by good old stereo.
The human ear is fascinating, capable of sensing in multiple directions. Two ears coupled together, you have a very potent surround input. So I don't think that's the limiting factor. Sound bars' theory is that they bounce sounds off walls and the TV, so the sound is supposed to reach you ear from a different direction, giving you the illusion of a wide soundscape. Maybe in lab environment, this somewhat works, but we don't live in labs.
thats great an all, still tenet tries to be a complex time-bending thriller, but the only way to enjoy it is to remove brain entirely and not concern yourself with its batshit crazy plotholes which at times make absolutely no sense and even break its own rules.
It even gives up after 15mins and drops a line to the audience > "don't overthink it, just accept this retarded script". Maybe the dialog was intentionally poorly mixed to make the audience feel they missed important details and the movie really does make sense.. sadly it doesn't.
I don't feel like re-watching, its mostly the time inversion not making sense. I remember the reversed dialog not being right, reversed thermodynamics apply sometimes but not others, final battle inverse vs non-inverse shooting each other (it suggests that the people were dead before the battle and alive after?). If we're gonna have reverse bullets does that mean the walls were constructed with bulletholes?, or do bullets materialize when convenient? There's problems in the car chase scene as well but i don't remember.
So if i don't think about and 'feel it', I'm left with a 2.5 hour seemingly simple plot, an antagonist that wants to end all life with a bomb :/ ?, uninteresting characters (Nolans usually great with its characters). Checking my brain out everytime esrever|reverse antics happen on screen, it just wasn't very good.
I don't feel like re-watching, its mostly the time inversion not making sense. I remember the reversed dialog not being right, reversed thermodynamics apply sometimes but not others, final battle inverse vs non-inverse shooting each other (it suggests that the people were dead before the battle and alive after?). If we're gonna have reverse bullets does that mean the walls were constructed with bulletholes?, or do bullets materialize when convenient? There's problems in the car chase scene as well but i don't remember.
So if i don't think about and 'feel it', I'm left with a 2.5 hour seemingly simple plot, an antagonist that wants to end all life with a bomb :/ ?, uninteresting characters (Nolans usually great with its characters). Checking my brain out everytime esrever|reverse antics happen on screen, it just wasn't very good.
Tenet is like his most coherent movie. Lol.
Just because you didn't understand the bread crumbs laid out.. doesn't mean they're potholes.
You're nitpicking someone filming shit in reverse and it being off. That's not a plot hole. That's having a hard time filming
I don't think you know what a plot hole is. Just say you didn't like it. Don't throw in random accusations and then describe science, iffy reverse filming and call them plot holes. That's like the biggest plot hole in cap America civil war is when war machine crashes and we think he dies and they zoom in on Robert Downey Jr and you can see his face is just cgi'd onto the suit. He wasnt really flying in the movie! Big plot hole! Don Cheadle can walk in real life too wtf another plot hole!
Christopher Nolan revealed to Total Film magazine that he recreated the first nuclear weapon detonation without CGI effects as part of the production for his new movie “Oppenehimer.” The film stars longtime Nolan collaborator Cillian Murphy as J. Robert Oppenheimer, a leading figure of the Manhattan Project and the creation the atomic bomb during World War II. Nolan has always favored practical effects over VFX (he even blew up a real Boeing 747 for “Tenet”), so it’s no surprise he went the practical route when it came time to film a nuclear weapon explosion.
“I think recreating the Trinity test [the first nuclear weapon detonation, in New Mexico] without the use of computer graphics, was a huge challenge to take on,” Nolan said. “Andrew Jackson – my visual effects supervisor, I got him on board early on – was looking at how we could do a lot of the visual elements of the film practically, from representing quantum dynamics and quantum physics to the Trinity test itself, to recreating, with my team, Los Alamos up on a mesa in New Mexico in extraordinary weather, a lot of which was needed for the film, in terms of the very harsh conditions out there – there were huge practical challenges.”
Nolan went on to call “Oppenheimer” a “story of immense scope and scale,” adding, “It’s one of the most challenging projects I’ve ever taken on in terms of the scale of it, and in terms of encountering the breadth of Oppenheimer’s story. There were big, logistical challenges, big practical challenges. But I had an extraordinary crew, and they really stepped up. It will be a while before we’re finished. But certainly as I watch the results come in, and as I’m putting the film together, I’m thrilled with what my team has been able to achieve.”
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