Woke is the result of people (minorities) being """offended""" and using technology/media as a megaphone to voice their anger, with (self) censorship and cultural/ethnic segregation as a result. It's basically fascism.
The scary part is, that it came "naturally", from the bottom up. Contrary to (what we think) most dictatorships/totalitarian societies are formed, it's the people demanding censorship, and the governments reacting to it.
Big corporations don't want to burn their fingers to it, so they play along and everything gets worse.
Ray Bradbury predicted it in 1953. Even to the point of only media left being the inoffensive comic books (with the only difference they're being movies).
Fahrenheit 451 wrote:
"Now let's take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? Bigger the population, the more minorities. Don't step on the toes of the dog-lovers, the cat-lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second-generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico. The people in this book, this play, this TV serial are not meant to represent any actual painters, cartographers, mechanics anywhere.
The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that! All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean.
Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters. They did. Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca. Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater. No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said. But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic-books survive. And the three-dimensional sex magazines, of course.
There you have it, Montag. It didn't come from the Government down. There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no! Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God.Today, thanks to them, you can stay happy all the time, you are allowed to read comics, the good old confessions, or trade journals.
With school turning out more runners, jumpers, racers, tinkerers, grabbers, snatchers, fliers, and swimmers instead of examiners, critics, knowers, and imaginative creators, the word `intellectual,' of course, became the swear word it deserved to be. You always dread the unfamiliar.
Surely you remember the boy in your own school class who was exceptionally 'bright,' did most of the reciting and answering while the others sat like so many leaden idols, hating him. And wasn't it this bright boy you selected for beatings and tortures after hours? Of course it was. We must all be alike. Not everyone born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone made equal. Each man the image of every other; then all are happy, for there are no mountains to make them cower, to judge themselves against.
Colored people don't like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin. Burn it. Someone's written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Bum the book. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag. Take your fight outside. Better yet, into the incinerator.
How often in history did we have government funded + supported movements. It's not even close to genuine.
Not 100% of the time we have one? So we cannot blindly assume they all are. OR give benefit of the doubt to any single one it is simply because other unrelated examples was.
vurt wrote:
If you really think the Woke ""movement"" belongs to minorities and LGBTQ you haven't understood anything. It's mostly a made-up movement, BLM is a total shit movement too similarly to Woke, 100% made for profit and to get people elected / make person X,Y more influential. The "Buy More Mansions" meme is totally legit. It's often the same people involved with these movements when it comes to sponsoring it, and the government is always in 100% support.
Ok lets make this easy. Show where they did it. You keep saying they started it, without giving evidence of when they started it. If you keep adamantly stating you are sure they started it. There most be some creditable solid proof they did, right?
Time is only one direction. So give an example of Govt being the first to use the word BLM, or aggressively pushing LGTBQ rights as campaign running focal points on any woke stance BEFORE any reference we can find of citizens rallying around it and making noise first getting steam to roll with organized groups of people themselves making coined the terms and stances.
One example of an advert, pandering slogan, or catch phrase hollow statement where Big Business coined a woke term BEFORE the masses and stances did like above.
Lets make it easier and only require one. You keep mentioning BLM. And its super popular, public and well documented. Find me where the term BLM was not a thing, then it was because Govt or Big Business forged that term and pushed it to the masses before any civilians was using it in mass already on thier own.
I am not saying they are not both exploiting it, I'm saying they did not create it. They saw a opportunity the masses made themselves to pander to..and started pandering like madmen.
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I feel the problem is when YOU realized it was a thing, is when you think it started. You dont overlap daily in your circles with the average joe people that was boiling it under a lid of anger and frustration (or at least I am assuming..maybe wrongly...you dont seem the type to mingle with gay communities and people; or repressed, exploited or overlooked minorities).
But you DO interact with govt and entertainment media and adverts. So when they made it to that, it crept into your view quickly and at a fast pace to you, and thats where you 'first' saw it.
The broad spectrum catch all bin of what is now referred to as 'woke' started to slow boil here in the US over 15+ years ago. You simply happen to notice it 5 years later when govt and advertising jumped on board. So to you the 'source' is when it became a thing you knew about.
You see the seed problem as starting when it sprouted into your yard, not when it was actually planted.
I dont condone the authoritarian way its being done. But I can point out that where you think it started, simply because thats when you noticed it existed, is wrong. Flat out wrong.
Just like I could not condone the creation of nuclear weapons, and still disagree and point out you are wrong if you said nuclear weapons started by being created by Finland first. I can tell you you are wrong, without liking the thing you are wrong about.
There is zero examples of any 'woke' term or movement being mentioned, penned, stated, tweeted, or seriously debated by govt beyond fringe bills; or slapped on a big budget business advert until AFTER it was a well rooted one the people themselves of that movement created enough noise to get noticed.
Il_Padrino wrote:
Woke is the result of people (minorities) being """offended""" and using technology/media as a megaphone to voice their anger, with (self) censorship and cultural/ethnic segregation as a result. It's basically fascism.
The scary part is, that it came "naturally", from the bottom up. Contrary to (what we think) most dictatorships/totalitarian societies are formed, it's the people demanding censorship, and the governments reacting to it.
Big corporations don't want to burn their fingers to it, so they play along and everything gets worse.
Very well put, way less wordy than the way I try to say the same thing.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I barely even browse the hump anymore because there isnt any discussion about games or shows/movies to be had.
Every new thread is literally pages of whining about perceived wokeness, as soon as there is a woman or a black person featured in anything everyone is just bawling their eyes out, its cringe as fuck.
It would be great to just have separate threads, one for actual discussion of the content of a show, and one for all the anti-woke whining.
I barely even browse the hump anymore because there isnt any discussion about games or shows/movies to be had.
Every new thread is literally pages of whining about perceived wokeness, as soon as there is a woman or a black person featured in anything everyone is just bawling their eyes out, its cringe as fuck.
It would be great to just have separate threads, one for actual discussion of the content of a show, and one for all the anti-woke whining.
Sadly, I'm starting to feel the same and less inclined to participate in threads.
Every thread degenerates into some discussion or commentary related to it (sure, it's because it's everywhere, etc.) : it's all there is to things, apparently. The obsession goes both ways
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since when did the humps discuss games? Well there was some convos befor release, but after release it has always been about technical issues, fps humping and whatnot. Actually discussing game story etc has been a true rarity on the humps like forever
Eh, most of the time when possible just post it to the gaymurgate thread in order to avoid shitting up that particular thread. But on some threads it's more appropriate to make the oest there (HotD thread, for example, when posting a video about changes for the tv version and pointing out some wo----er, questionable ones I mean).
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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
Woke is the result of people (minorities) being """offended""" and using technology/media as a megaphone to voice their anger, with (self) censorship and cultural/ethnic segregation as a result. It's basically fascism.
they are all in it together because there's something to gain for all of those, big corps are pushing it because of ESG, investors wants it from the big corps - demands it, it's the thing you should be invested in because of ESG, MSM, Social media and the projected / false view of public opinion.
Minorities can't really be a big megaphone anyways, i would not blame them, they're just people, it's shill media, governments, and big corporations who does it.. E.g Coca Cola who does that to spread hatred against whites etc ("be less white" and similar racist and facist slogans that they now have). I would not blame minorities for this at all, they are in it because others are pushing it and they want in on the scheme because it benefits them.
Anyways, it's fun to see it partially fail now because (real) public opinion is totally against it. they can try to use bots and paid shills (e.g the paid "superfans" for amazon LOTR, lol) but it won't work like when something is genuine and has a fanbase that exists in real life.
People will grow more and more aware that something is off, and when people are and it angers them a lot (like with Amazon LOTR) it turns into a real movement and its devastating for these companies.. YT might be able to remove Dislikes and Facebook can remove the laugh emoji if paid well enough.. but what's next after that?
Minorities can't really be a big megaphone anyways, they're just a people
wut?
They can and have been a megaphone...many times.
Not sure if your US history of social change and reform is crap, or your dislike of govt (well party side of you dont like) and big corp just defaults to overriding reasoning of learning.
Again Govt and big corps absolutely exploits the ones that rise to the top. But to say they create them...is, for a lack of a civil term, ignorantly retarded of even the basics of human rights history in America.
Just a sample of examples just in the last 100 or so years in the US:
1960s Equal Rights, the Native American land redistribution backlash, the protest of Vietnam, Fair Labor Standards Act, National Unemployed Council, Disability Rights Movement, Women's Movement, Racial Justice Movement, Reproductive Justice Movement (which is still going a fight since the 80's).
Not a single one of those was fabricated or constructed by or from govt manipulation or corporate greed. They got traction by minorities at the time. (Minorities are not just non white and non straight people. Irish and Italian was a shunned minority here at one time not really that long ago less than 100 years...) So for example, would you think the 'Fair Labor Standards Act' was falsely fabricated by companies in thier best interests???
Normal citizens that rose to the top as famous leading them (at least in US where the movements was) for those movements:
Emmeline Pankhurst
Susan B. Anthony
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Malcolm X
Brenda Howard
Harvey Milk
Now the movements might all not be just and moral. But minorities surely can and have done them.
Not sure if I am more shocked you believe they never have been built up by normal people, or that you think minorities are not capable of it.
Would you say the social abortion battle going on, and all the businesses pandering to it with ribbons, and pink colored edition of products was a corporate fabricated movement that women happen to get duped into to buy thier products? IF not, whats the difference that makes you sure one is, and the other isnt (other than you might agree with one, and need a reason to dismiss the other). I feel there would be an undercurrent of "Of course not, women are smart and would know better..but minorities, they can fall for most anything they are told"
Just because you think "I cannot believe people would be this stupid to be behind this" does not mean they didn't it just means you cannot fathom why they would be behind something stupid. Your lack of being able to self rationalize why they did does not refabricate the reality of they actually did.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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they can but it's harder than for a government, Hollywood, MSM, or gigantic corporations like Coca Cola.. again, i'm not saying they're not a part of it, but they're not the ones to blame for woke, it's not their creation.
So is it only harder, or that they cannot?
And if its only harder, why does that make you default to all the current ones must not be by them?
And again myself: This is has been apparent to anyone aware of the situation, that it has been around slow cooking in a pressure cooker since early 2000's.
And things like BLM for far longer (while not the same 'catch phrase title' the core and broad reaching sentiment of it) gathered organized foundational direction on unity of cause in 1991 with the Rodney King beating. Black minorities in general all had the same outlook before, but that event gave them all a singular point to coagulate at as a starting point of direction, for the next 30 years to consistently and loudly protest (that is usually ignored anyway) the violent biased directed at the whole of them, for the actions of a few stereotypes of them.
And not to sound demanding or a "HA got ya since you seem not to answer" way. I am honestly curious what makes you hold the view. It COULD be right and I am missing a critical part of puzzle:
Where is one single piece of evidence that the companies or govt was using the terms and creating the movements to push on the people first, and not the other way around?
Just one instance of where we can say like: See in 2015 so-and-so company coined this phrase, or govt fabricated out of air this social issue before any evidence we can find of the populous already well established of using it.
There was just an incident of 3 police brutally punching and kneeing a man they are holding down on the ground in Arkansas just the other day. Going so far to roll him over while restrained, to repeatedly punch him directly in the face. Was this an elaborate cooperate staged event to promote shilling of 'retrain/demilitarize the police' movement? Or maybe the govt? (Not sure why the govt would start a 'villainize and berate part of our own people' movement..but I guess maybe 4d chess?)
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Honestly, there are too many examples from the current entertainment industry that deserve to be labelled as woke, and I'm saying that as a veteran leftwingman myself (who's always liked to ridicule the phenomenon, among the other things ). It's only natural that even a tiny forum like ours ends up discussing such thematics, though of course we must take into account the level of tolerance that varies from one individual to another.
There are folkX who can withstand blatant elements of wokeness without batting an eye and wouldn't mind if we added ze/zir pronouns under their nicknames, there are the moderately indulgent peeps who criticize wokeness but can swallow some signalling as long as the end result still delivers, and there are those who are very susceptible and vocal and sometimes mistake a plain drop in quality or some questionable choice for wokeness which...well yes, that can be a bit tiresome indeed. No one is silenced here unless some serious Humpcrime is committed, still, ultimately it's all about balance and we should try to strive for it, even though the external environment is quite the problematic one.
I fall between the last two. I do watch some crap that has wokeness in it, while cursing every woke scene of course. But i also have a spider sense. I know when a female protagonist is a female protagonist or if she's a symbol of female empowerment. I mean, it's not hard.
Woke is the result of people (minorities) being """offended""" and using technology/media as a megaphone to voice their anger, with (self) censorship and cultural/ethnic segregation as a result. It's basically fascism.
they are all in it together because there's something to gain for all of those, big corps are pushing it because of ESG, investors wants it from the big corps - demands it, it's the thing you should be invested in because of ESG, MSM, Social media and the projected / false view of public opinion.
Minorities can't really be a big megaphone anyways, i would not blame them, they're just people, it's shill media, governments, and big corporations who does it.. E.g Coca Cola who does that to spread hatred against whites etc ("be less white" and similar racist and facist slogans that they now have). I would not blame minorities for this at all, they are in it because others are pushing it and they want in on the scheme because it benefits them.
Well I disagree Corporations only care about profit, and the shortest way to it. They see a new trend emerge and jump on the wagon. If those companies were truly woke (or even politically engaged), they would have started the trend (and like 100 or 150 years ago, how old is Coca Cola even?).
Everyone is a minority in some way, and can find a reason to be offended ("dog-lovers, the cat-lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second-generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico").
With social media, everyone has a megaphone, and you can always find others online who agree with you, no matter how batshit bonkers your ideas might be
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
@Il_Padrino
Exactly like Coca Cola being the one to start spreading the 'be less white' part if it wasnt a thing already to target. What advantage does that give them?
What HR dept team would go:
You know all races buy our product but hear me out, what if we out of no where make up a social discourse and base a major shift in the company around it that insults and alienates a good part of our core customer base to pander to the less profitable minority of our base?
WHY would they for no reason, make up and roll the dice success of an imaginary controversial thing they are trying to convince people is real?
What reason does Coca Cola have to arbitrability 'hate whites' to start with, to make this whole thing up to push it as truth? A company thats CEO is white, chairmen members are white, majority stock holders is white (not that any of that is bad or good, just what is for this company) hates whites enough to make up social issues to make other people hate whites...as the only marketing/PR scheme they can think of?
It makes a LOT more sense what they are doing is looking at what is already going on socially, and jumping on the wagon once it get some speed to appeal to a target demographic that is an easy 'we support...whatever is the underdog of this'.
Now they DID do that poorly, and in the most tacky ham fisted way possible. But just because they blundered trying to pander to an existing thing, doesnt somehow mean they made it up.
What they did was the same as when you are your spouse have an argument TRYING to convey "Lets calm down, and talk about this rationally, this yelling is getting us no where" by saying "YOU need to be less like your mother" to them.
I find it an obvious oxymoron that it is said companies are out of touch with current affairs and end up doing a 'hello fellow kids' when trying. Yet also said they are the ones masterminding and causing social affairs. It cannot be both.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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It gains them nothing, indeed. I guess they're also scared of the cancel culture monster, and don't grasp the simple fact that Twitter doesn't represent society
The awkward commercials some companies come up with are somewhat proof that they're just trying to follow along. And sometimes failing miserably I'm thinking of the Gillette one from a few years ago. I wonder how much that eventually costed them, instead of simply doing nothing at all.
There's companies now noticing the reverse anti-woke trend gaining faction, and jumping on that wagon too (you also notice it in popular media, btw, The Boys tries to please both sides, for example)
I remember Benetton had politically/anti-religiously motivated commercials back in the day, that came out of nowhere. But I've become too cynical by now, and figure it was just to find the controversy in a saturated market
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
Every time a big rich out of touch big corporation's top execs fails with a face palm pandering to some social movement that is gathering enough speed to be noticed I feel its a version of that Mark Z meme:
I jokingly imagine:
"This, what was it called? A social movement? The commoners, they enjoy fighting for it?"
"Indeed sir"
"Then we shall enjoy the fight as well. Gather the rich chairmen together so we can discuss how we can relay our support, as fellow commoners".
The only one that sticks out in my mind of being a right place, right time, actually well executed pandering was the "Buy the world a coke" advert. They nailed the shilling of product placement to tragedy and social unrest of the Vietnam war (among other things) and the tiredness of having heated arguments from the division over it:
Spoiler:
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Not saying it wasnt not shameless pandering for profit. But man they did it spot on, 5 stars on execution of it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Corporations aren't just pandering to some social movement, they are pandering to the ESG system. (Environmental, Social, Governance) That is the main driving factor.
Just google "corporation name ESG" and be amazed how almost every corporation has it, even the "evil ones".
Greenwashing and Wokewashing directly feeds corpos with investor money mainly from firms like BlackRock and Vanguard. The original idea of ESG and socially responsible investing had some good elements actually, mainly concerning climate change but as it is par of the course now it got completely taken over by SocJus. Also it is pretty easy to game it, that's why Exxon Mobile got higher ESG scores than Tesla for example.
I agree, was just singling out an example of the S part of ESG.
Also agree not all of it is bad as a result, sometimes the side effect of them trying to raise/keep profits positively effects how they do things, or makes them have to change bad practices they do. Sometimes not. And sometime they figure out a way to do it, without actually DOING anything...like buying trumped up carbon credits for carbon offset claims that are dubious at best.
or touting they are hiring a more diverse workforce, and not including the part they mean more of them in underpaid over worked minimum wage worker roles. Sounds good, doesnt 'do' anything for change. Hiring people of any race to underpay them a living wage with no benefits is not something to brag about, but they will find a way to turn it into a 'statement'.
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). It's only natural that even a tiny forum like ours ends up discussing such thematics, though of course we must take into account the level of tolerance that varies from one individual to another.
Corporations only care about profit, and the shortest way to it. They see a new trend emerge and jump on the wagon. If those companies were truly woke (or even politically engaged), they would have started the trend (and like 100 or 150 years ago, how old is Coca Cola even?).
