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 Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 06:19 Post subject: [OTHER] Denuvo coming to Nintendo Switch |
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 06:55 Post subject: |
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deelix
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 06:57 Post subject: |
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JackQ
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 09:57 Post subject: |
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The Switch is so hacked wide open at this point, I doubt it will make any change.
The irony is, that emulation IS effective method to crack and bypass lots of DerpNuvo functions so far, the main issue is the huge amount of triggers.
"Fuck Denuvo"
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 19:40 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | The Switch is so hacked wide open at this point, I doubt it will make any change.
The irony is, that emulation IS effective method to crack and bypass lots of DerpNuvo functions so far, the main issue is the huge amount of triggers. |
This won’t affect piracy on a real Nintendo switch, only emulators.
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 19:57 Post subject: |
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Crazy angle that. Wont all the assets and code still be availabele to reverse engineer just not runnable?
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| Posted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 21:36 Post subject: |
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Probably. The real console won't be able to run the denuvo code because of Nintendo blocking most stuff. Emulators don't block anything and most likely they are not perfect 1:1 of the console. I'm sure they are relying on the fact an emulator is not "protected" and can run anything thrown at it.
That being said, if a console can ignore this code, most likely an emulator can too eventually.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 01:00 Post subject: |
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Nintenturd strikes again 
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 08:38 Post subject: |
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I find that decision by Nintendo very weird.
The console is already in the mid-late in it's life time, the vast majority of the relevant titles are already out.
Denuvo MAY make things harder to emulate, but they won't succeed preventing at bypassing it eventually, the console is just too wide open and very documented for that.
Nintendo is probably desperate about the amount of piracy and emulation, and that fact that their hands are tied when it comes to battling emulation which is by itself legal.
"Fuck Denuvo"
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konkol84
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 09:19 Post subject: |
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somebody on Denuvo marketed it well enough for Nintendo to jump on it with their usual greed, nothing weird about it, typical Nintendo move.
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Surray
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 09:26 Post subject: |
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yeah they saw some powerpoint with download numbers of popular switch games and then they told em how emulation makes the switch look bad in terms of resolution and framerates
OMG WE'RE LOSING MILLIONS OF SALES DO SOMETHING
the usual dumb shit for sure
Likot Mosuskekim, Woodcutter cancels Sleep: Interrupted by Elephant.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 11:49 Post subject: |
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What I do like about the press release, that Denuvo themselves basically admitting Denuvo ultimately failure, "Switch emulation to bypass our protection".
Sure, they managed to make stuffs harder to crack, but we are mostly talking on "classic" crack.
There already methods since Denuvo existence to bypass it, Denvuo less exes from leaks or Demos, the famous "ticket" method which is still works great, AND Switch emulation.
While not day one, Denuvo games are getting fully cracked more frequently, and there are even hints on projects being worked on relating to Denuvo.
So in the end, Denuvo is very flawed and exploitable copy protection, and because they way it works, there are things that cannot really be patched, like the ticket method and exe leaks.
"Fuck Denuvo"
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 16:57 Post subject: |
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Only assassin's creed origins had fully denuvo removed right?
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JackQ
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 18:48 Post subject: |
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| jaapie18 wrote: | | Only assassin's creed origins had fully denuvo removed right? |
Actually, lots of other games as well, some which weren't cracked till they got Denuvo removed.
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 20:08 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | I find that decision by Nintendo very weird.
The console is already in the mid-late in it's life time, the vast majority of the relevant titles are already out.
Denuvo MAY make things harder to emulate, but they won't succeed preventing at bypassing it eventually, the console is just too wide open and very documented for that.
Nintendo is probably desperate about the amount of piracy and emulation, and that fact that their hands are tied when it comes to battling emulation which is by itself legal. |
It was not Nintendo decision. Denuvo just did another communicate saying it's publishers who asked and not Nintendo.
I think Sega is one of the publisher, along maybe Warner Bros.
Sega was probably pissed off Sonic Origins was pirated by playing it on NSW emu, just like it's gonna be with Sonic Frontiers. For WB, Hogwarts Legacy will have Denuvo most likely. Gearbox is also releasing Tales of the Borderlands 2, and they are using Denuvo. All 3 publishers most likely pressured Denuvo to also secure the NSW versions too.
Last edited by cyclonefr on Fri, 26th Aug 2022 20:12; edited 2 times in total
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 20:10 Post subject: |
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Nintendo doesnt need the publishers... the publishers need Nintendo
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| Posted: Fri, 26th Aug 2022 22:02 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | | jaapie18 wrote: | | Only assassin's creed origins had fully denuvo removed right? |
Actually, lots of other games as well, some which weren't cracked till they got Denuvo removed. |
I mean removed completely by crackers.
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deelix
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| Posted: Sat, 27th Aug 2022 23:18 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | The Switch is so hacked wide open at this point, I doubt it will make any change.
The irony is, that emulation IS effective method to crack and bypass lots of DerpNuvo functions so far, the main issue is the huge amount of triggers. |
Switch hacked wide open?? You live on another planet?
https://nh-server.github.io/switch-guide/user_guide/getting_started/
More switches not hackable today as ones exploitable.... Lol
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Aug 2022 00:02 Post subject: |
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TeamXexuter clones it seems... Didn't know. But what exaggerated prices. Holy shit.
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sony even restricts save game storage to the fucking cloud like is the case for Gran Turismo. you will pay subscriptions, you will pay more subscriptions, you will pay until you wont have a dollar left to spend on subscriptions! fuck GaaS!!!
