From the Emmy award winning creator of American Crime Story comes Dahmer - Monster: the Jeffrey Dahmer Story. The series examines the gruesome and horrific true crimes of Jeffrey Dahmer and the systemic failures that enabled one of America’s most notorious serial killers to continue his murderous spree in plain sight for over a decade.
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Oh, Evan Peters as Dahmer. This could be good. I liked (and was disturbed by) the first Dahmer movie, The Secret Life: Jeffrey Dahmer (1993). I wasn't impressed with the 2002 movie Dahmer with Jeremy Renner as Dahmer.
still don't see it.. maybe it will be glorifying a white dude killing off mostly black people, but i somehow doubt its going to be portrayed like that
There was a movie I watched recently called Nitram, about a mass shooter. It went into detail about the mass shooter, how he lived his life, and gave insight as to his motivations.
The movie ends right before the mass shooting, it doesn't show any part of it.
This TV show, like most American TV shows dealing with real-life serial killers, is only going to satisfy people's blood lust via gratuitous violence. I bet they wouldn't be able to do it in any other way that people would find interesting. Dahmer in particular would have loved this, he told anyone who would listen. He lives on again and again through Hollywood. He and his crimes basically live forever all because he was a garbage human.
I wonder how many social media idiots will also watch this, promote it via word of mouth etc, but then decry naming the next mass shooter anywhere that people can read it.
It's just human nature. We are very interested in this because it concerns us on such a deep level. It scares the shit out of us, and I bet it's been like that throughout our entire evolution, because those stories also serves us as vital survival information.
There's likely something in us that "triggers" when we read or see things like this and we get very involved and interested. Not because we lust for blood but because we want to avoid it.
Then there will be psychos who idolizes murderers, there could be a TV-series that sets them off, sure, but also books, articles or word of mouth, it's impossible to censor.
While I agree saying the name of most run of the mill dime a dozen killers/serial killers/mass shooters are just giving them the attention and recognition they so crave to a larger audience, vs us (hopefully) starting to use things like "Mass shooter #465 is under arrest" or such refusing the use the name for that very reason is good.
But this? Its like making a jack the ripper movie. I seriously doubt anyone vaguely interested in it (or in general really) doesnt know who he is and it is spreading his name farther to lot a people not knowledgeable of him.
Dahmer, Son of Sam, John Wayne Gacy, Jack the ripper, Ted Bundy, etc. have no more notoriety to gain. They have all they can have already.
Would he have loved a movie was made about him? Maybe. But should we not do something detailing the truly despicable of the worst, simply because as a side effect they would be pleased to hear it was done?
By your argument we should not tell the tales of Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Hussein, Hitler, etc. Because we are just rehashing stories of the atrocities they was proud they did. And to do so would be glorifying their name by telling people about them and what they wanted and knowing some would be proud of the movie made if it was accurate.
What are all those other than serial killers in a seat of office?
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there is also a doc series by the guy who did ted bundy tapes also on netflix, thats the one im looking forward than watching this ryan murphy over the top production
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Yea I myself probably wont watch it. I dont do docu-drama movies I prefer pure documentaries. I dont want artificial suspense by made up parts of a thing that (to me) is fascinating enough not to need it.
Actually I like most my movies (well 1+ hour long video 'things') like I like my books if they are based on a real thing: 100% dry, unembellished facts and details. Usually if it states "Based on a real...so and so" I know i probably wont like it. Its a dramatization with enough true parts to tell a movie plot.
But I'm also the type I Would prefer to watch a 3 hour dry clinical interviews and documentary on someone, than a ' made to be entertaining' movie about the same thing.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
im not hyped about this because its series based on it, im not hyped because its a ryan murphy show and he always does too much style over substance, and over the top gay shit
By your argument we should not tell the tales of Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Hussein, Hitler, etc. Because we are just rehashing stories of the atrocities they was proud they did. And to do so would be glorifying their name by telling people about them and what they wanted and knowing some would be proud of the movie made if it was accurate.
That's not my argument, and like always you come down the wrong side of it while arguing against something that wasn't said. I think I'll refer to it as the DX Strawman Special™ moving forward.
I have absolutely nothing against shows and movies retelling history. Shows like Mindhunter/Manhunt are good because they strive for more than just gore and shock value. There's an effort to reach an understanding. Then you have shows like True Detective which are obviously inspired from real life events but are retold in a fictional way.
A documentary is about all a serial killer deserves. If anyone can watch that highly stylised trailer for a multi-million dollar project, named after the serial killer, while thinking it's somehow not glorifying him, then I don't know what to say. It is what it is. Whether it will be worth watching, whether it's engaging etc is another subject altogether.
So movies about those guys I mentioned are bad too then? There is more than just documentaries that contain those dictator characters as main characters.
I can counter with:
If anyone thinks just because something is made, that it is glorifying that thing, I dont know what to say.
Glorifying takes willful intent to do so: To praise and worship - To describe or represent as admirable, especially unjustifiably - To cause to be or seem to be better than the actual condition.
Now Dramatizing his story is questionable sure.
But I think you are mixing those up: Dramatizing vs Glorifying. The last Joker glorified retribution by those accosted, attacked, cornered, and marginalized for having a mental illness (you was cheering for the bad guy). Now it didnt promote it, I am NOT saying that. I'm saying in a fictional world, it glorified that one fictional guy, to have a agreeable reason to do it [glorify his actions].
I SERIOUSLY doubt audiences are going to be rooting for Dahmer because of the movie centric plot encouraging them to do so. Or anyone walks away with less of a negative opinion of him. That would take...glorifying his story.
Dramatizing and fictionalizing parts of it for entertainment for sure might be bad taste. But I still stand by its not glorifying it unless when it comes out parts of it are made to encourage us to understand and rationalize from his viewpoint, his actions.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Why do you have to root for something for it to be considered glorified? How many shitty arguments must you spawn from the main one?
I doubt many people root for a 'gangsa' lifestyle or those associated with them, despite the fact it's now glorified in hundreds, if not thousands of music videos.
He was a serial killer. The show is named after him. His likeness is shown on the cover. He is a handsome man doing what audience love - committing violence. The acts he committed will be shown in detail and he will gain more notoriety even in death. If that isn't glorification... then again... what else can be said. I will reiterate - he would have loved this. He was one of few serial killers who couldn't shut up about what he'd done.
I think I'll set a 2 limit reply on any interaction from now on, because I don't want to do this shit for 3 pages again. Done.
Why do you have to root for something for it to be considered glorified?
Because thats what glorifying is by definition. Normalizing the concept of something by portraying it as not abhorrent and encouraging it is justifiable to the viewer/reader/observer.
Like movies that glorify gun violence set a premise of that using such, in the situation at hand was justified by the viewer given the premise of conveyed expectations. Again, you mix up terms. Glorifying it is not promoting it like in your example. They do not root for the lifestyle, they root for the characters in the movie doing that lifestyle because of...glorifying those particular characters doing it.
Did you watch Joker and start rooting for abused mentally ill people to start town riots? If not there is a disconnect of your premise on glorify means promote.
And I honestly have no idea how the concept of him liking it equals glorifying it. Those are two separate mutually exclusive things. Newspapers reporting what he did he loved. Its not them glorifying him.
David Duke loved when people wrote, spoke, or made shows/movies about how bad the Klan was. Does not equal they was glorifying it. Just means he thought they was.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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You are either the Devil's advocate to 99% of the posts on this forum or genuinely dense.
Can I not be both?
And lets say they are glorying it for arguments sake. In that case blame people for wanting glorified things. They make things in a way people will want to watch.
Not everyone is like me enjoying watching clinical 2 hour documentaries. If documentaries got millions of views it would be one of them now wouldnt it?
People want Tiger King, not Frederick Wiseman films.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
I've never felt any movie/show about a real serial killer/mass murderer have been glorifying in any way. To me they're fascinating as in showing just how truly scary humans can be. We'll never be able to truly know the inner workings of sociopaths or psychopaths. Well, I guess other socio/psychopaths have an idea...
Done.
First ep. was great, the rest not so much. Should have used more actors for teen-ish dahmer and especially for the father, in some scenes he looked on par with his ma
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