This is just an updated DLSS algorithm? There's no new actual hardware features on the Ada GPU?
Like.. "Tensor cores v3" which are the same as on 20x0-series and 30x0-series that are artificially blocked in drivers to use those "exclusive" new features (which is sooo typical of nvidia).
There is optical flow accelerator that is needed for these glitchy AI generated frames.
Anyone have any good way to somewhat reliably measure the amount of power your PC is drawing? I'll probably sell my 3090 for cheap and get a 4090. Preferably without upgrading to above 850W
accurate enough for me, but you need a Fritz.Box as router, I think.
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Well it's a good suggestion. Maybe i'll find something that doesn't require your to have a router, but where i can simply read off when playing something demanding and see how much i use
Anyone have any good way to somewhat reliably measure the amount of power your PC is drawing? I'll probably sell my 3090 for cheap and get a 4090. Preferably without upgrading to above 850W
850W is enough, if you must measure it, use quality watt meter between your PC and socket, i have OLED screen on my ROG THOR 850W seasonic unit which shows wattage, always below 500W in heavy games with 5800x3D and RTX 3080 TUF 12GB.
Amadeus wrote:
all RTX cards have optical flow accelerators, even Turing
Well every article and nvidia is saying these new ones have only the Optical Flow Accelerator needed for DLSS3, might be new one then but havent seen ever them talking about it specifically in other ones, might be also bullshit, would not be surprised anymore.
Anyone have any good way to somewhat reliably measure the amount of power your PC is drawing? I'll probably sell my 3090 for cheap and get a 4090. Preferably without upgrading to above 850W
Anyone have any good way to somewhat reliably measure the amount of power your PC is drawing? I'll probably sell my 3090 for cheap and get a 4090. Preferably without upgrading to above 850W
850W is enough, if you must measure it, use quality watt meter between your PC and socket, i have OLED screen on my ROG THOR 850W seasonic unit which shows wattage, always below 500W in heavy games with 5800x3D and RTX 3080 TUF 12GB.
Amadeus wrote:
all RTX cards have optical flow accelerators, even Turing
Well every article and nvidia is saying these new ones have only the Optical Flow Accelerator needed for DLSS3, might be new one then but havent seen ever them talking about it specifically in other ones, might be also bullshit, would not be surprised anymore.
I have the Corsair RM850x (2018) so its enough even for peaks?
Anyone have any good way to somewhat reliably measure the amount of power your PC is drawing? I'll probably sell my 3090 for cheap and get a 4090. Preferably without upgrading to above 850W
850W is enough, if you must measure it, use quality watt meter between your PC and socket, i have OLED screen on my ROG THOR 850W seasonic unit which shows wattage, always below 500W in heavy games with 5800x3D and RTX 3080 TUF 12GB.
Amadeus wrote:
all RTX cards have optical flow accelerators, even Turing
Well every article and nvidia is saying these new ones have only the Optical Flow Accelerator needed for DLSS3, might be new one then but havent seen ever them talking about it specifically in other ones, might be also bullshit, would not be surprised anymore.
850W can be barely enough for 4090. Personally I would go for 1000W or even 1200W just to be safe. 4090 is a monster we havent seen before. The card can generate 450W load only by itself. Add a 300W CPU into that and you are running out of headroom.
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Anyone have any good way to somewhat reliably measure the amount of power your PC is drawing? I'll probably sell my 3090 for cheap and get a 4090. Preferably without upgrading to above 850W
850W is enough, if you must measure it, use quality watt meter between your PC and socket, i have OLED screen on my ROG THOR 850W seasonic unit which shows wattage, always below 500W in heavy games with 5800x3D and RTX 3080 TUF 12GB.
Amadeus wrote:
all RTX cards have optical flow accelerators, even Turing
Well every article and nvidia is saying these new ones have only the Optical Flow Accelerator needed for DLSS3, might be new one then but havent seen ever them talking about it specifically in other ones, might be also bullshit, would not be surprised anymore.
850W can be barely enough for 4090. Personally I would go for 1000W or even 1200W just to be safe. 4090 is a monster we havent seen before. The card can generate 450W load only by itself. Add a 300W CPU into that and you are running out of headroom.
Quality 850W is enough, i have ran 3090ti on this 850W seasonic unit without any problems. Might be wise to get bigger PSU if you have intel CPU.
hardware youtuber say, to better get a atx 3.0 power supply, if you want to run a 4090.
or just check your pc every 2 minutes while gaming, so the cables aren't melted yet and there is no fire.
i wouldn't run that 4090 card with a 850 watt atx 2.0 power supply. good luck you will need it
Yeah well that is completely new problem which seems to be pretty bad, because of the shitty quality 12-pin to 8-pin extensions. Also wtf, the 12-pin connector is supposed to last like 30 cycles until it breaks?
Before we run to conclusions concerning the need to have an ATX 3.0 PSU, lets wait for the reviews by people like Igor or GN.
There are already (shitty) adapters and Corsair f.e. will offer a cable for their pre-3.0 PSUs allthough they say you need 1200W to get the 600W needed for the 4090.
Personally I have no interest in these high Watt GPUs so I'm staying on my Fractal Ion+ 2 Platinum 860W PSU with 10 year warranty.
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850W is enough, if you must measure it, use quality watt meter between your PC and socket, i have OLED screen on my ROG THOR 850W seasonic unit which shows wattage, always below 500W in heavy games with 5800x3D and RTX 3080 TUF 12GB.
Well every article and nvidia is saying these new ones have only the Optical Flow Accelerator needed for DLSS3, might be new one then but havent seen ever them talking about it specifically in other ones, might be also bullshit, would not be surprised anymore.
850W can be barely enough for 4090. Personally I would go for 1000W or even 1200W just to be safe. 4090 is a monster we havent seen before. The card can generate 450W load only by itself. Add a 300W CPU into that and you are running out of headroom.
Quality 850W is enough, i have ran 3090ti on this 850W seasonic unit without any problems. Might be wise to get bigger PSU if you have intel CPU.
This. You guys think 300W CPU's and 450W GPU's eat that power 100% of the time?
As for peak consumption, most top notch PSU's will handle a bit beyond their limit and for good time before simply shutting down (think I remember reading my 650W handling close to 750W or 800W before shutting down in some review, can't find it right now though ).
A good 850W will be just the sweet spot IMO.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
850W can be barely enough for 4090. Personally I would go for 1000W or even 1200W just to be safe. 4090 is a monster we havent seen before. The card can generate 450W load only by itself. Add a 300W CPU into that and you are running out of headroom.
Quality 850W is enough, i have ran 3090ti on this 850W seasonic unit without any problems. Might be wise to get bigger PSU if you have intel CPU.
This. You guys think 300W CPU's and 450W GPU's eat that power 100% of the time?
As for peak consumption, most top notch PSU's will handle a bit beyond their limit and for good time before simply shutting down (think I remember reading my 650W handling close to 750W or 800W before shutting down in some review, can't find it right now though ).
A good 850W will be just the sweet spot IMO.
Maximum load can last a fraction of a second to cause you problems. It’s not much of a how long but rather how much. Like I said 1000W would be a much safer pick in my opinion unless you want to gamble.
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So they probably have no use of the extra pins in the clip
I have a feeling, it being nvidia, that their previous 12 pin cables (since they have the exact same pinout minus the extra PCIE 5 datapins) will work just fine
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Anyone have any good way to somewhat reliably measure the amount of power your PC is drawing? I'll probably sell my 3090 for cheap and get a 4090. Preferably without upgrading to above 850W
Then also get a new ATX 3.0 PSU if you want to be sure that you dont fry your Hardware, and those are rare to non existent at this point. There are allready reports out since months about melting/burning connectors.
We will see much more of this when casuals who are clueless buy their new card and fry their system.
I for now stay away from any of these cards as NV is just ripping everyone off, even their performance claims are absolutly bollocks and will nowhere be near their claims.
This series is DOA !
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Pretty much, yeah
Not that I'm planning on buying one, but I'll wait until gamersnexus or HWunboxed review these cards so there's finally a clearer picture regarding the power consumption, adapters and shiet.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
Well judging from nvidia specs they indeed do have 600W "OC" mode when power limits go beyond 100%, however i cant see any air cooled card to be silent at 600W power draw, guess they bundle noise and coil whine cancelling headphones.
Ankh wrote:
I sure hope AMD bring out the big guns and give nvidia some kind of competition.
Im pretty sure AMD will bring good cards, RDNA2 was already very good, apart from lacking RT performance since it was first iteration. My guess is that the biggest RDNA3 chip will have atleast the same rasterization performance as 4090 and RT performance similar to 3080/3090 levels or more.
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"*600W load requires a 1200W rated CORSAIR PSU or higher. 450W load requires 1000W or higher. 300W load requires 750W or higher. "
Sounds really that they do indeed need fucking beefy PSU, but i still think 850W should do just fine for 4090 with 450W power consumption a.k.a normal power limit since 3090ti works aswell. Ah well guess we will see, i can already see this new power connector as big problem which will lead huge RMA fest.
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