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couleur
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Wow, that Adapter looks really flimsy. Can you close the case without bending it too much?
I really don't get how they thought putting more Watts through fewer pins would be a good idea.
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Nec
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2022 20:03 Post subject: |
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Case can close just fine, it's a Meshify 2, so there's plenty of room.
The cable feels quite flimsy and delicate. I'll reroute it from the side/top when I get the Z790 and i9-13900K. Maybe even order the new cable that Corsair just announced.
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Grale
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2022 20:11 Post subject: |
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The reviews of the FE card showed that power connection on the card is very flimsy and flexes on the board!
They recommend pre bending that adapter cable before fitting it to the card. Such a bad design putting a 90degree bend there. It’s also going to hit the side of the case unless you have a huge case.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2022 20:25 Post subject: |
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| Nodrim wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | Stormwolf wrote: |
Was thinking Asus TUF. Asus did pretty well during the problematic 3090 launch |
Jeeezus fucking christ, Chasus? And the TUF version at that? How many banks did you rob?  |
TUF is not the most expensive lineup from ASUS. |
Everything from Chasus is overpriced. Still, maybe their 1070 would have lasted longer than the Gigante one I got! 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Wed, 12th Oct 2022 21:44 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 00:07 Post subject: |
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| Nodrim wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: | There's no games worth buying one for. It was the same for the 3080.
Tell me some games that warrant upgrading past 2080+ |
Metro Exodus, Resident Evil 2&3, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Ghostrunner, Ready or Not, Warno, A Plague Tale, Darktidem, Atomic Heart, Callipso Protocol, Sons of the Forest, Hogwarts Legacy, Lies of P...
I could go on. |
Yep every single title there runs perfectly fine on a 2080. They are also more than playable on a $300 peasant box, $2000 GPU very hyped.
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 00:50 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | Nodrim wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: | There's no games worth buying one for. It was the same for the 3080.
Tell me some games that warrant upgrading past 2080+ |
Metro Exodus, Resident Evil 2&3, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Ghostrunner, Ready or Not, Warno, A Plague Tale, Darktidem, Atomic Heart, Callipso Protocol, Sons of the Forest, Hogwarts Legacy, Lies of P...
I could go on. |
Yep every single title there runs perfectly fine on a 2080. They are also more than playable on a $300 peasant box, $2000 GPU very hyped. |
"Perfectly" is a very ambiguous term when we are talking about performance which revolves around multiple factors. But no, they don't run perfectly. At 1440p, many of those games can't hit a stable 100+ fps with good settings even on a 3080 and this is before adding ray tracing.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 01:45 Post subject: |
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Some derps their way through games 30 fps and says it's smooth as butter. It's very subjective indeed
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 02:20 Post subject: |
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The best was seeing Elden Ring on PS perform better with less mocrostutter than my 3080. Honestly I'm embarrassed to own a 3080, I blew money on an overpriced card from evil corp to play predominantly 2d Indy games, embarrassing.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 03:06 Post subject: |
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Elden rings problem was the game, not your 3080
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 11:02 Post subject: |
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If you dont want that your GPU will sag, then you will need to use some sort of support, lian li makes nice one that bolts into motherboard and cannot be seen aesthetically.
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Nec
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 11:31 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | If you dont want that your GPU will sag, then you will need to use some sort of support, lian li makes nice one that bolts into motherboard and cannot be seen aesthetically. |
But does it really matter if its sags a bit?
And what about this one?
https://www.mnpctech.com/products/rtx-4060-4070-4080-4090-gpu-anti-sag-support-arm-bracket
And if i want use that support stand. What nec is using. Does it matter if I put it on a 3,5 inch hdd?
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 14:29 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | The best was seeing Elden Ring on PS perform better with less mocrostutter than my 3080. Honestly I'm embarrassed to own a 3080, I blew money on an overpriced card from evil corp to play predominantly 2d Indy games, embarrassing. |
You blew waaay too much money, yes. However, it's a card you'll be able to use with all games (beyond buggy ass games that work like shit no matter what you're running it on) for years to come. Unless you "must" have the best of the latest for each new generation you should be able to enjoy your 3080 for the next 3-4+ years without having to worry.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 15:38 Post subject: |
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I was able to get the ASUS STRIX GeForce RTX 4090 24GB Gaming OC.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 15:55 Post subject: |
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| OrignalSpaceJockey wrote: | | I was able to get the ASUS STRIX GeForce RTX 4090 24GB Gaming OC. |
Congrats. The most expensive one i think. Make some cool shots of it once it's installed.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 16:06 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | OrignalSpaceJockey wrote: | | I was able to get the ASUS STRIX GeForce RTX 4090 24GB Gaming OC. |
Congrats. The most expensive one i think. Make some cool shots of it once it's installed. |
Yeah sure. Will get it delivered tomorrow.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 16:30 Post subject: |
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Got the MSI 4090 Suprim X. Whisper quiet.
In CP all maxed out 3440 x 1440 in 99% GPU utilization places it pulls a maximum of 380 watts. That is the absolute max. With a 5900x the max I pulled (whole system, not sustained) was 580 watts. Absolute max. Have a 850 PSU (RM850x from corsair). You do NOT need atx 3.0 PSU for this.
I had a 3080 ti. My FPS doubled in CP2077, huge increase everywhere else. Basically, in games where I had lower FPS (60ish), it doubled across the board. It is also an RT champ. Max RT everywhere, doesn't even care.
Good card. Had to sell my kidney for it, but it is good.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 16:41 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | Got the MSI 4090 Suprim X. Whisper quiet.
In CP all maxed out 3440 x 1440 in 99% GPU utilization places it pulls a maximum of 380 watts. That is the absolute max. With a 5900x the max I pulled (whole system, not sustained) was 580 watts. Absolute max. Have a 850 PSU (RM850x from corsair). You do NOT need atx 3.0 PSU for this.
I had a 3080 ti. My FPS doubled in CP2077, huge increase everywhere else. Basically, in games where I had lower FPS (60ish), it doubled across the board. It is also an RT champ. Max RT everywhere, doesn't even care.
Good card. Had to sell my kidney for it, but it is good. |
So a 850w will get the full power of the 4090?
But the RM850x has only 3x 8 pin cables. At least the 2018 model. Aren't you 1x 8 pin cable short?
I have aa Ryzen 3900x is it still enough for 1440p with this card?
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 16:48 Post subject: |
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@jaapie18
The CPU depends on what you play on if its enough for most games. Id say overall its plenty unless you play things with a lot of CPU heavy physics thats dependent on framerate.
Otherwise the card with vsync/gsync/freesync (whatever your monitor rate locking preferred flavor is) will more than reach your cap before your CPU limits you. Now in 'look at those numbers!' unlocked tests into the 100's of FPS you might see a difference. But daily game playing? 3900x would be plenty. 3900x is still a beast of a chip.
Friend went from 3900x to 5950x and said didnt notice a difference and his 3dmark scores was within acceptable 'same same' range. (He upgraded simply for the New Computer Smell™ more than anything)
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 16:55 Post subject: |
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| jaapie18 wrote: | | Radicalus wrote: | Got the MSI 4090 Suprim X. Whisper quiet.
In CP all maxed out 3440 x 1440 in 99% GPU utilization places it pulls a maximum of 380 watts. That is the absolute max. With a 5900x the max I pulled (whole system, not sustained) was 580 watts. Absolute max. Have a 850 PSU (RM850x from corsair). You do NOT need atx 3.0 PSU for this.
I had a 3080 ti. My FPS doubled in CP2077, huge increase everywhere else. Basically, in games where I had lower FPS (60ish), it doubled across the board. It is also an RT champ. Max RT everywhere, doesn't even care.
Good card. Had to sell my kidney for it, but it is good. |
So a 850w will get the full power of the 4090?
But the RM850x has only 3x 8 pin cables. At least the 2018 model. Aren't you 1x 8 pin cable short?
I have aa Ryzen 3900x is it still enough for 1440p with this card? |
I have 3 cables plugged in atm (not optimal, works fine though - I checked this before buying, they did write about this), but the PSU is modular, so you can in fact have more. And I just bought another cable, and will ahve 4 plugged in by tonight.
Doesn`t matter though, it works flawlessly. I will not be OC'ing. I don't care for the plus 5%.
Now for the harder question: 3900x is it still enough for 1440p?
I think not. I run 3440 x 1440, which is still more pixels than 2560x1440 (so the FPS is lower, thus CPU bottleneck presents itself less).
Even on 3440x1440 in Cyberpunk all maxed out there are places, where I am CPU bound (my system is optimized). So a 3900x would bottleneck it often imho at 1440.
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 16:56 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | @jaapie18
The CPU depends on what you play on if its enough for most games. Id say overall its plenty unless you play things with a lot of CPU heavy physics thats dependent on framerate.
Otherwise the card with vsync/gsync/freesync (whatever your monitor rate locking preferred flavor is) will more than reach your cap before your CPU limits you. Now in 'look at those numbers!' unlocked tests into the 100's of FPS you might see a difference. But daily game playing? 3900x would be plenty. 3900x is still a beast of a chip.
Friend went from 3900x to 5950x and said didnt notice a difference and his 3dmark scores was within acceptable 'same same' range. (He upgraded simply for the New Computer Smell™ more than anything) |
There is a huge diff in stutters and lows. Depends whether you want high FPS gameplay, or are you content with 80 fps.
It only really comes in to play with multiplayer games anyway, that is true.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 17:13 Post subject: |
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| Radicalus wrote: | | Now for the harder question: 3900x is it still enough for 1440p? |
3900x is more than enough for 1400p, even two 3440x1440 @ 120hz.
Same friend that had it ran 2 ultrawide on it, and played a lot of Pcars2 and automobilsta 2 on it driving both monitors with a 3080 and 3900x and kept 120fps unless we did insane races like 32 AI on a small track, then he would hover around 100.
Only when he tried to do triple ultra widescreen (two ultra wide on the side and one super ultra wide for center) did he decide to go to a 5950x and 3090. Not that it was unplayable by any means, just he is the one I was talking about that goes "I have graphic options I am using them ALL" in every game he plays. And he complained he had to go to the 'pleb medium settings' using a 3080 and 3900x for those 3 screens.
It was this setup he ran for about 3 months on the 3080/3900x:
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-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Oct 2022 18:31 Post subject: |
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I've watched a few videos about DLSS 3 and it's not focused on quality as much as increasing frame rates by interpolating/creating new frames from the last and the upcoming frame. It introduces artifacts under various circumstances and the overall image quality isn't better than DLSS 2; in fact, with the Optical Flow Accelerator that insert frames to increase fps it looked slightly worse (not including the artifacts).
Apparently many of Nvidia's demos of the 4090 has had that Optical Flow Accelerator enabled together with DLSS 3 which means they didn't show the true frame rates that the card actually push out. Oh well.
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