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couleur
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2022 10:34 Post subject: |
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| TheZor wrote: | Leaking whatever Biden's campaign asked for to be removed (dick pics of Hunter, I guess that's covered by free speech to them  ) but curiously doesn't want to share any similar info about Trump's campaign.. How odd. How non-partisan.. |
Like what? What was removed/censored by twitter from drumpf's campaign as aggressively as this was? 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2022 11:55 Post subject: |
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I do, based on what I saw. Can't even remember seeing any news of them removing anything regarding drumpf, aside from some users for making death threats.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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couleur
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2022 12:37 Post subject: |
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Well thats the definition of subjective.
I can’t say personally. I don’t have an overview on what happens on twitter.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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HubU
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2022 18:38 Post subject: |
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Musk's attempt at a redemption ark:
When you try to be seen as serious, yet fail dramaticaly because it's still empty BS posturing:
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"See, I'm just like those whistleblowers who are marked for death/have their life ruined in the pursuit of Truth. Won't commit, comment, confirm nor deny any of what I put forward, though."
Don't you feel so small, basking in the shadow of such a titan?
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2022 19:15 Post subject: |
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Twitter is just his playground it seems, he should go back to kindergarten!
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2022 19:18 Post subject: |
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What I see from that poll:
I cannot pardon, execute command, advise or even have any weight to recommend action on this, but I promised to make a frivolous poll that has zero impact on the subject as a PR attempt to placate those that wish to have an empty box to shout their opinion on it in, and then smile at me approvingly for letting them speak directly to me about something I have no control over.
Hell if that's all you need to do to pander to people for approval of your vapid seriousness of something: I am starting a poll on if we should invent a device that takes no effort to use but gets you in shape and removes 10 years off your age, and it gives you $2 million dollars while you use it.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Dec 2022 15:37 Post subject: |
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So it was a bunch of activist employees again? It's becoming a pattern, corpos need to get their shit together.
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| Posted: Fri, 9th Dec 2022 16:36 Post subject: |
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@Shocktrooper
Users AND corps need to get their shit together. Stop posting stupid shit, that causes the site to do equally stupid shit.
An overreaction, to a post that is an over reaction makes both clowns. With both playing victim of the other clown threw the first pie. (The outlandish post, or the outlandish action taken for that post)
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 13:29 Post subject: |
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The only council twitter will have is Musk himself. Seeing as almost everything is allowed except making fun of Musk.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 19:18 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 21:47 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | | https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/zkfc3k/new_levels_of_cringe/ |
Oof
Also, don't you have work to do, like, running your fucking companies?
Musn't be that hard to be a CEO, it seems.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 22:33 Post subject: |
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@HubU
To be fair, unless you assume he works 24/7 he would have downtime to do what he wants. Even if thats doing cringey stuff on stage with a once great, but now mediocre stand up comic.
But to chappells credit, he is gathering the right like minded people like himself on stage he just needs Kanye next: People that got too big for their pants and fame went to thier heads and decided they needed to straighten out all of 'wrong' people of the world. Be it Jews, LGTBQ, or Libs. You know, the people 'not like me' So they must be fixed. "As I am the rightest type of person that ever could be and I got famous so my fame = they made me famous for my views, not my work, right?"
Also Elon "Freedom of Speech" Musk (or his staff), is deleting or suppressing resharing of videos of him getting boo'd, on the site he is vomiting he bought to allow freedom of speech and criticism. It went from trending, to not even on the trending list in a few hours.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 07:33 Post subject: |
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Yeah, the dude tracking Musk's (and Zucks) private jet has all his accounts banned.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 08:25 Post subject: |
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@Shocktrooper
I didn't expect any less. Culture wars, such at these at least, are overblown pedantics. The only people really seriously concerned with tackling a frivolously fringe presence of such things, are the opposite sides fringe presence.
Only the extremist that cannot stand a thing that barely exist are the ones super sensitive to it, as they see it everywhere to them. And make it a mission to remove that tiny existence. So it's just far end extremists fighting to make their extreme the replacement for a whole of something over and over. (both sides I mean, not picking one out from the other).
So naturally, to correct for woke culture trying to correct for 'lack of woke culture' by forcing absurd changes and canceling people. Is to cancel those people using opposite extreme idiocy. Because to only correct back to middle, is only 1/2 winning the war. (And more momentum is added to the pendulum swing..that if left alone would have just cycled out on its own to dead center still)
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 08:42 Post subject: |
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Who in their right mind thought that letting the richest man in the world spend nearly the money that is the collective yearly income of UK middle class, own the single most influential information source, simply because he had enemies in it he wanted to target.
Did we learn nothing from William Randolph Hearst, John Rockefeller, Ted Turner, Michael Bloomberg, Rupert Murdoch, the Cox Family (I can go on).
It's like we have clear cut exact parallels in just the last 100 or so recent years of exactly how it plays out everytime we think it's a great idea to let very wealthy, very powerful, and very opinionated people solely own media and news/information outlets.
Also does no one else find it perplexing that a good portion of people that support his acquisition are the ones that are usually the most vocal speaking out about how news and media is owned and controlled by a single source that is biased like I mentioned above, and not trustworthy because of it? I agree thats a thing that is still an issue. just seems counter intuitive (or at least dishonest) in what they really mean by it when they say that.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 09:11 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | | Yeah, the dude tracking Musk's (and Zucks) private jet has all his accounts banned. |
The dude publishing public information from an account Elon promised not to ban. Much freedom such lol speech.
I guess he found a "loophole" to use against the journos too.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 10:12 Post subject: |
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He's just claiming it's doxxing and targeted harassing, an argument all dickriders are too happy to indulge in, which is of course completely false. He mentioned a car which was transporting one of his children was subject to targeted protests - that is completely wrong to do to begin with, poor kid, but it has nothing to do with tracking flights. There's no legal ground for this stance whatsoever, even if he's suggesting so.
If it was anything remotely close to being fraudulent/criminal, those accounts would have been closed aeons ago by Justice departments, not Twitter moderation team You can bet he's not the only one with high lobbying power bitching about it.
One of the reasons each and everyone can track these flights is that they belong to the company - tends to work better with taxes and expanses.. That reasoning with taxes is basically "you cannot say I'm the one boarding it all the time, it's for the company's benefit".. Well, guess you can't have your cake and eat it 
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 11:04 Post subject: |
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@TheZor
What I was about to post about it. The twitter account wasn't doing anything that any random person couldn't do by looking up FAA records and aircraft codes (Tail Number). Anyone here could go look up the aircraft codes all his businesses own, see where he is, and see on the FAA records what plane went there.
It's openly public knowledge. VERY rarely are airplane routes, times, and schedules not public record unless its on the BARR list (Block Aircraft Registration Request) or govt or such type security reasons.
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 11:06 Post subject: |
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The legal grounds is he owns twitter and does as he pleases.
The shocking truth: It never was about freedom of speech, not for Musk and not for his lapdogs.
Another shocking truth: Freedom of speech, per definition, doesn't exist in the private corporate world. It only exists in relation beween individuals to their government.
Thats the reason why unregulated capitalism leads to less democracy, because unregulated, the owners will impose their bias, as it happened with twitter before Musk, and as it happens with twitter with Musk. As it happens with every private journal and media outlet anywhere on the planet, since the beginning of private media.
Without regulation and laws coming from democratically elected governments, you cannot secure the access to expression and information and thus hinder the democratic process.
And yes, the governements are not perfect, most of em neoliberal capitalist bootlickers, but still the most apt to deliver on the democratic promises.
You've got to love how ultra-conservative authoritarians have turned into freedom of speech avocates because they found some corporate social media to be socially leftist (but still capitalists) but really they just want to take control of the narrative. It never was about freedom of speech. Seeing as they associate themselves with autocrats, authoritarians and narcicistic leaders around the world, simply because they happen to defend similar conservative views. Same as some socialist intellectuals like Sartre did with Stalin and Mao at the time.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Fri, 16th Dec 2022 11:16 Post subject: |
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@couleur
I 100% agree its a private entity and can do as it pleases (if morally right, and where that line should be allowed to be drawn between public outlet and private control, is a discussion far beyond my ability to call).
It's the either blatant blindness to not see the hypocrisy, or the flagrant deceit of knowing intent: Trying to hide behind a flag of free speech, to do the exact same thing you claimed was violating free speech simply because the 'wrong' free speech is being suppressed.
The pure unadulterated gaul to claim this statement makes sense: We bought it to stop those removing what some people had to say by malicious intent, by removing what some people have to say using good intent. (Good and malicious simply being what you agree and disagree with here)
I would have 10x less problem with it if they was just honest. I would be concerned still, but not as upset..just say: I want to buy it to be the one to sculpt the narrative it produces and decide WHO gets free speech, and who gets special protection from the consequences of what they say. The same as it was before, just more to my liking of who gets which.
its as if they are not for removing biased moderation, its they are against which biases are used to moderate. Again who would have seen this coming by letting a billionaire buy a heavily influential information media to manage using his personal perspective.
If ONLY we had past example of such things in our lifetime so we knew what to expect. If only we had example of ultra rich buying newspapers, radio stations, TV stations, or news networks for personal or political reasons and the inevitable result it would have on that outlet 
| couleur wrote: | Another shocking truth: Freedom of speech, per definition, doesn't exist in the private corporate world. It only exists in relation beween individuals to their government.
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Not to do an 'amen brother!' but I say that all the time on here, and in discussions. Your right to say something, simply means your govt cannot stop you. People disliking it, not wanting to listen, the consequences you might face from the public for saying it, and anyone being able to tell you 'not in my house' isn't covered by it. It also doesn't cover the obligation of anyone to repeat, host, relay, or spread to others what you said. They can be willing, but no obligation to.
Why I would have less (but not no) problem if they was just honest "I spent 45 billion so I can pick who can talk in my house". At least then its honestly transparent.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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