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@dxwarlock guess in my country it wasnt controversial.
its fact that it gets shoved into everything nowadays. companies changing logos, rewriting old fan fav. characters, putting them into movies and series and making their sexuality the point not the story or character itself is common nowadays.(And how dare they if they dont or speak out about it)
people get sick and tired. its like a crying kid that wants candy that gets the candy and still keeps on crying. its a minority that shouts for more inclusion on the top of its lungs while its the most probably one of the most included minority nowadays.
well to each their own but im sick of it not because adding them is controversial but because its the most important thing nowadays .....
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 16:26 Post subject: |
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To be perfectly fair, the inclusion of this sole trans character in the entire game (aka the character only exists in a vacuum) does look a lot like a token inclusion in order to control the discussion about the subject.. 
It could have been a very interesting storyline in a wizarding universe, but WB is not going to take such a huge gamble, find competent writers to actually pull it off, and risk losing half their potential players base.
The game's stuck in this weird for the OG fans, yet marketable to the new kids targeting limbo. It can only be a mediocre middle ground.
Perfect example of damned if you do, damned if you don't : as long as you don't put quality work into it which would naturally silence pointless discussion (and later people will say "it wasn't controversial back then!" thanks to it, even if it wasn't true), people will inevitably choose to read into it according to their pre-conceptions.. since nobody but devs know firsthand, and I don't trust second hand accounts from "insiders" that fit either side of the argument, we will effectively never know.
People just loooove that kind of shit and to constantly bring the subject up whenever they can, effectively fueling the dumpster fire they so denounce, but will never admit it, it's just like tabloids.
Who exactly made it such a pivotal issue ? Evil forces looming to corrupt our societies or just a natural relationship between customers and businesses ? If anything, blame the mass production of shit content for the sake of it, that's the main culprit, the rest are tendencies that come and go relative to the money they make.
But apparently nobody cares, actually.. they're just very fed up with a subject they love bringing up. Seems to me each side is perfectly happy with feeding the fire to keep flinging shit.
This is a temporary excess that's already on its way down, just like many others before it. Can't you guys think of any other comparable societal issue that generated excesses due to being a transition (get it?), but are now close to completely normalised ? There are a couple of other ones within our short lives.
The day we stop questioning this or that character's inclusion in whatever piece of fictional media is when you know the dust has settled. You can very well see that even including/switching existing characters to be POCs can remain very controversial even today, so I think it's going to take a little while until characters' sexuality is not even a subject of contention 
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 16:44 Post subject: |
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Preload has been up for PC. Not sure how long but noticed it a couple of hours ago.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 17:01 Post subject: |
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He might crack it, but expect it to take months
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 17:41 Post subject: |
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@TheZor
I completely agree with your last post.
But shitware shallow characters are a dime a dozen. Why does one like this get more scrutiny?
There is token 'lets do all the people types!' (long as normalized in society) characters in 1000's of previous games that was different races/outlooks/whatever simply because it was a 'range' of fluff characters even if they are throw away tropes of whatever they was.
Boring, normalized character that has no plot point other than existing as a filler. Mostly ignored.
But here there somehow there is a contradiction of expectation, and also no expectation of the one that is 'different'. (Depending which you ask).
Boring, trans character that has no plot point other than existing as a filler, people laser point that out as a failing of the game writers (while if they expanded on it at all, others would complain they went to much into territory they didn't want to hear about in a game and pushed agenda at them. Leave it out they complain the character is just there to be there).
Either way those that get panties in a wad about it to me, are just as bad as the ones promoting/pushing it. Stop pointing at it, people will stop looking.
Attention and negative attention, is still attention in the end for something so pedantically pointless such as things as this.
It's the smug superiority air of both rabbling sides, for and against that both taste like shit in my mouth. Both too busy climbing over each other to try to be the one looking down at the other.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 18:04 Post subject: |
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You're perfectly right, one-dimensional characters are commonplace, and nobody gives a damn about it as long as it's sufficiently well written, those tropes are so ingrained nobody question them.
Subverting the classical tropes is a thing lately, superhero values namely - with decades-old comics like The Boys or Invincible getting spotlight adaptations.
This type of subversion is well accepted and even embraced. But when it comes to race/sex/gender or anything that has to do with core societal values, then it will trigger this kind of reactions. It's no coincidence all thesz core values were defined in the monotheistic scriptures : they are contentious and quite central to society, no matter how tolerant we've personally become. With the good strings being pulled, they can trigger each and everyone of us.
As unfortunate as it is, the mere presence of a trans character is not natural at all to many, even in a fantasy world in which you can change bodies with a sip of potion - because we cannot help but translate it into our reality (from which this fantasy universe stems, it's a bit of a circular argument which doesn't help the issue).
The clock doesn't tick the same way depending on which side of the globe you're on, and these publishers cannot forget about it either - same with with big mainstream sports, leading to big clusterfucks regarding political statements at FIFA WC or during the F1 championship, for instance.
As I wrote earlier, the day these questions aren't even asked will mark the moment at which the dust settled, but these things take time regardless of the Internet or not.
People will always rave about what goes in each others' panties or bedrooms, I fear that's a tale as old as time 
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 18:05 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | He might crack it, but expect it to take months |
But maybe he is a she.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 18:14 Post subject: |
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a she with a dick
I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes..
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 20:14 Post subject: |
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A trans character in any magic "based" setting is just so retarded. You mean to tell me you couldn't use magic to change your gender or even some illusion magic to appear like a woman? Oh what's that? Oh you prefer to look like a guy in a dress and no, it's no fetish at all?
Sure thing, Jan. Just like in real life (for most of the twitter/social media troons, actual trans people have more to do with their life I'd bet) 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 20:41 Post subject: |
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oh no stormwolf hates me , oh well nevermind then lol
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 21:03 Post subject: |
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transgender woman
"He was cordial enough, but we weren't friends then. His mistrust of wizardkind ran deep… Hadn't seen him in years when he came in a few months ago. But, he recognized me instantly. Which is more than I can say for some of my own classmates. Took them a second to realize I was actually a witch, not a wizard."
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 21:21 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | A trans character in any magic "based" setting is just so retarded. You mean to tell me you couldn't use magic to change your gender or even some illusion magic to appear like a woman? Oh what's that? Oh you prefer to look like a guy in a dress and no, it's no fetish at all?
Sure thing, Jan. Just like in real life (for most of the twitter/social media troons, actual trans people have more to do with their life I'd bet) |
I'm pleasantly surprised they didn't make a trans character's presence as part of the marketing campaign or did they bring any attention to it prior to release. So I looked it up and I'm confused with your statement.
Is she supposed to be a woman who identifies as a man or vice versa?
https://www.gamepur.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Sirona-Ryan-in-Hogwarts-Legacy.jpg?w=1200
Because she looks like a woman to me unless you're referring to what's in her crotch, which I don't think this game is going to show tbh. |
Hadn't seen any image of the character actually, and was just generalising. But with axl's text (if that's the source) I'd still think the character was a woman? Maybe a bit of a manish woman but a woman still.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 21:24 Post subject: |
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So is this actually good or just overhyped lame elden ring ?
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 21:29 Post subject: |
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Uhh I’m pretty sure it’s nothing like Elden Ring. More like a modern open world game where you’re constantly following npcs or vice versa and exploring the map and collecting things off a checklist and exploring copy pasted “dungeons” ( actually this part is sounding a bit like elden ring isn’t it…)
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 21:51 Post subject: |
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I think he's asking if it's overhyped like Elden Ring, because that game was total trash
He wants to know if it's up to the incredible new standard set by Forspoken
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 22:43 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | I think he's asking if it's overhyped like Elden Ring, because that game was total trash
He wants to know if it's up to the incredible new standard set by Forspoken |
Finished Forspoken this sunday. It was really good. I very much enjoyed it. It's not elden ring but not 6/10 game.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 22:46 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 23:12 Post subject: |
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| OrignalSpaceJockey wrote: | So are Gamespot and Eurogamer refusing to review this?
All I can read on gamespot is articles about helping the trans communtiy. Time to block gamespot for good now!! |
Gamespot I have no idea, but it will be a good idea on where eurosocjus stands these days. Didn't remember seeing much of a shitstorm in the comments for any of the articles about the game so far, let's see if the y "risk" reviewing it.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2023 23:39 Post subject: |
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Right, so they included 5 mins of writing and made a transgender character - Maximum ReDdIt ImPoRTant issUES engaged.
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | Interinactive wrote: | I think he's asking if it's overhyped like Elden Ring, because that game was total trash
He wants to know if it's up to the incredible new standard set by Forspoken |
Finished Forspoken this sunday. It was really good. I very much enjoyed it. It's not elden ring but not 6/10 game. |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2023 00:29 Post subject: |
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| freiwald wrote: | after deleting all social media, i guess it's also time to leave some boards for good.
why does this shit has to be everywhere, doesn't matter which side you're on, just take your shit and talk somewhere else about it or at least in a thread where normal people don't have to see it. it just makes me sick reading all this bullshit, no wonder society gets more fucked up every day.
sadly there are no mods left on this board?   |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2023 00:43 Post subject: |
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Seems like performance is all over the place for PC with some people with beefed up rigs getting constant stutters, while others are having no issues.
Does this game have raytracing?
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2023 02:06 Post subject: |
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I just want to know how it runs on lower end hardware, and not JUST from some tutorial level where not much is happening
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2023 02:12 Post subject: |
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Luke Stephens is a plagiarist who steals others peoples work, has clickbait titles, and will flip flop between his multiple videos depending on whose script he's stolen.
You must be daft if you think he has a genuine opinion.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2023 04:22 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | Seems like performance is all over the place for PC with some people with beefed up rigs getting constant stutters, while others are having no issues.
Does this game have raytracing? |
I don't get stutters, but i get fps drops at 4k with full on raytracing. 12900k and 4090
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