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You can't learn it, but you can manage sociopathic tendencies. And you dont need empathy to start with to emulate/train how you/anyone should react to a situation.
Good simple example, was a while ago but easy to convey the situation for quickness of setup:
Last house we lived at was next to a park. One side of our house was the park. Homeless dude slept about 15 feet from our house sometimes.
I did not care about him, at all.
But knew that the right thing to do when it was freezing outside, was to take him an old blanket we hadn't used it years, and give him the leftovers from dinner I had leftover from restaurant that night that I didnt even really want.
I felt nothing giving it to him, not good, not bad, just..nothing. It was like I was carrying trash to the bin level emotion of just carrying things to a place.
But I knew it was the kind thing to do after wife said "He must be freezing, and he was licking the bottom of chinese takeout box he found when I pulled up."
It was the "what is the right, kind, logical thing a caring person would do". I dont need to feel the joy/sadness of empathy, to show empathy in my actions.
| Stormwolf wrote: | You can't just learn empathy. Is my belief anyway as it's mostly an emotion and how do you learn emotions? you can discover new ones with new experiences in life, sure. But empathy should have been there from early on. It will rather be like psychopaths emulating due to knowing basically how it works even if they don't feel it.
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It is EXACTLY like that. But for attempt of a good cause, not a personal gain one. Instead of sociopath/psychopath doing it to blend in for prey. And that happens all the time. I just put my effort into being who I should be, even if emulation. Vs being who I want to be and get what I want using that emulation.
And I'm not saying I am right, or perfect. But calling people whores, fat cunts, and mentally ill idiots is clearly not a "What would a person that has empathy do".
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Mar 2023 01:31 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | You can't learn it, but you can manage sociopathic tendencies. And you dont need empathy to start with to emulate/train how you/anyone should react to a situation.
Good simple example, was a while ago but easy to convey the situation for quickness of setup:
Last house we lived at was next to a park. One side of our house was the park. Homeless dude slept about 15 feet from our house sometimes.
I did not care about him, at all.
But knew that the right thing to do when it was freezing outside, was to take him an old blanket we hadn't used it years, and give him the leftovers from dinner I had leftover from restaurant that night that I didnt even really want.
I felt nothing giving it to him, not good, not bad, just..nothing. Like I was carrying trash to the bin level emotion of carrying things to a place.
But I knew it was the kind thing to do after wife said "He must be freezing, and he was licking the bottom of chinese takeout box he found when I pulled up."
It was the "what is the right, kind, logical thing a caring person would do". I dont need to feel the joy/sadness of empathy, to show empathy in my actions.
And I'm not saying I am right, or perfect. But calling people whores, fat cunts, and mentally ill idiots is clearly not a "What would a person that has empathy do". |
Honestly, you'd not be alone in not bringing anything to that homeless person. There are lots of judgmental people out there who'd be like "serves him right. He's homeless for a reason, and not a good one" or just not caring. It's not just you. Also, if you started feeding him or giving him blankets you might find that he sticks around, maybe even brings some homeless friends if you're very unlucky.
And you shouldn't take words spoken in annoyance as absolute truths. Don't you ever say shit towards people when you're annoyed/angry? Of course you do. They're exaggerations, nothing more, and we all do it from time to time.
If i had different friends who didn't have mostly the same values as myself i might also have changed with time to the sensitive 2023. My generation in these parts are same as always, the change is seen with the younger kids.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Mar 2023 01:38 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be alone in not doing it. But I wouldn't be 'a better person' 'be the bigger man' for not doing it either.
But should I have judged him based on absolutely nothing other than "HE is homeless, probably deserves it"?
As far as I know/cared he is some dude, starving and finding a place to sleep that has never bothered us in the 6 months I have seen him there from time to time.
And if he brings more, my apathetic/lack of care of social normalcy side would have no problem with approaching him and going "Don't bring more dude, you are ruining your chances of being the harmless dude I might give stuff to. Otherwise more of them is more hassle that I am affording you alone and will have to get police involved for loitering in a closed park. Keep the good thing going here to yourself..right?"
I'd have no awkwardness of "oh wow there is more, this is awkward, I dont want to offend them and say something rude, or such" and just pretend it's OK. Not my style.
And I do say thing in annoyance or anger, cant deny that I AM human even if a flawed one 
But very rarely and only in real world situations with people I deeply care about. I think it would be nearly totally impossible to piss me off to the point of saying something I would regret I said online out of anger.
One thing I learned: Words of anger is the answer of a man that can not think of a better option. And yes sometimes I do stumble into no better option. But dont think it would happen online to any appreciable degree since I have time to think, type, post, and re-re-re-edit it as I tend to do(lol).
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Mar 2023 01:40 Post subject: |
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2c and normally i wouldn't post because the fuck cares. Would you actually reflect on your random forum shit-posting. Immediately jumping to "fat cunt gaming companies", "females to whore themselves out" etc. because a platform game character model was female is maybe not a good trait?
That line of thinking will exude to others whether you like it or not in actual social settings even if you aren't as gratuitous as your forum shit-posting.
Like Zor, i can't stand either side of the woke coin. I think it's irony, the way a handful of users post here provides the other side legitimacy so you wind up with this never ending cycle of extremism on both sides.
Essentially there is no winner. There never will be a winner. Just participation is the problem.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Mar 2023 01:45 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | I wouldn't be alone in not doing it. But I wouldn't be 'a better person' 'be the bigger man' for not doing it either.
But should I have judged him based on absolutely nothing other than "HE is homeless, probably deserves it"?
As far as I know/cared he is some dude, starving and finding a place to sleep that has never bothered us in the 6 months I have seen him there from time to time.
And if he brings more, my apathetic/lack of care of social normalcy side would have no problem with approaching him and going "Don't bring more dude, you are ruining your chances of being the harmless dude I might give stuff to. Otherwise more of them is more hassle that I am affording you alone and will have to get police involved for loitering in a closed park. Keep the good thing going here to yourself..right?"
I'd have no awkwardness of "oh wow there is more, this is awkward, I dont want to offend them and say something rude, or such" and just pretend it's OK. Not my style.
And I do say thing in annoyance or anger. But very rarely and only in real world situations with people I deeply care about. I think it would be nearly totally impossible to piss me off to the point of saying something I would regret I said online out of anger.
One thing I learned: Words of anger is the answer of a man that can think of no better option. And yes sometimes I do stumble into no better option. But dont think it would happen online to any appreciable degree since I have time to think, type, post, and re-re-re-edit it as I tend to do(lol). |
I was just saying you'd not be alone in not giving a homeless person food drink. It's not so simple as to assume people lack empathy. They might be misusing empathy and constructing their own scenarios for why this person is how he is. Naturally they'll likely miss the mark by a landslide. Some people are dealt bad cards in life and stuff happens through none of their fault alone or at all.
The difference is that i usually don't really care too much about what i say. Just type it out and fuck off doing something else. Only to return and see people fuming 
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OH no I didn't mean other people lack it because they dont. More saying how it was not even a 'thing' I considered either way. he was just an 'object' that was sometimes besides my house. I had no good nor bad thoughts about him, no thoughts at all actually unless he started messing with my stuff.
I had to stop and think "What is the kind thing to do for a cold starving man"Now dont mean that as puzzle out WHAT to do as if the caring thing to do wasnt obvious, but more I had to have someone point out (my wife) he was in that state even thought it was obvious, before it registered I need to think if I'd care at all (good or bad), if I was 'normal'.
Dunno if its extremism of situation over colored, or oversimplified. But 3 years in prison (2 1/2 and counting 6 months of waiting to be sentenced) made me realize "Fuck. this is what the world would be like full of 'me'? That would be shit. I need to 'not' be one of 'me' anymore."
Along with the mandatory counseling for my sociopathic tendencies (since I was 16 going on 17 when sentenced, counted that as a minor I had to take it when I got out despite leaving when over 18 and sentenced as adult). Made me realize "I need to reallly try to stop being the apathetic shithead I gravitate towards naturally". As at 16 there was only 2 type of people I saw: Those that benefited me, and those in my way of self gratification"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Hate when that happens. Hit my back button on mouse by accident sometimes going to post. Super annoying when you type 50,000 word post like I do 
Yea, why I'm still learning after 20 years how to 'do' this thing.
After helping him wife even said "Should we tell him about the shelter/soup kitchen they just opened about 2 miles from here." A place that tries to help the needy that are just in a bad place, but want to be a normal person again and just cannot do it alone.
It didn't even cross my mind as a 'thing' to do. My 'what would jesus do' (lol) thought process didnt go that far into the scenario.
I saw a problem pointed out to me, and logically fixed it:
If(Cold&Hungry == true) {set Blanket + Food = true; set Cold&Hungry = false; }
Its hard to explain what its like being partially sociopathic (which for me was mostly from mild aspergers and growing up in a situation that leaned heavily into embracing the dulled convey of empathy it causes).
But...hard to explain since its all I know myself and can only compare it to a facsimile of what I think normal should be.
Its like a blind man trying to explain what red looks like. He can convey what OTHER people told him it looks like, and extrapolate his own assumptions of like things to what he is told. But cannot explain red itself.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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Sounds tedious really. And as you know with your prison sentencing, the most important thing is really to know the difference between right and wrong. If you get a grasp on that, i'm sure a lot of the other things will be forgiven.
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The best example I can think of that I heard (that makes sense to me) is you have eyes, you can see. But what does it look like out the back of your head? Not what you know is back there or can picture it looks like, but what you actually see. Which cant even be described as 'nothing' as nothing implies you 'see' nothing. It's less than a nothing answer. it's a null/not applicable state of seeing.
You see out of the back of your head, as well as I can feel empathy. I can picture what it looks like if I stop to think what it looks like, but not see it.
And yes...lots of people suck, and always intrigued me how people that DID know (well I knew right from wrong, just didn't care. It was an invalid question to me if I should feel bad doing it, Like asking me if I like or hate the taste of the color blue).
{sorry side ramble there} how that people that did know/care still did things to end up in prison when they didnt have to. But trying to talk to them about it out of curiosity, in prison, makes some of them a bit on edge and cranky when you start proding 'why' they did things...LOL.
Now Some was there because they 'had' to. Lost job, no one hiring, 2 kids, rent to pay...time to rob a store, or break into houses I guess.
Now some there that the world has given up on as worthless dont suck, but are driven into being that eventually, by being wrote off as worthless.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Mar 2023 02:46 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | The best example I can think of that I heard (that makes sense to me) is you have eyes, you can see. But what does it look like out the back of your head? Not what you know is back there or can picture it looks like, but what you actually see. Which cant even be described as 'nothing' as nothing implies you 'see' nothing. It's less than a nothing answer. it's a null/not applicable state of seeing.
You see out of the back of your head, as well as I can feel empathy. I can picture what it looks like if I stop to think what it looks like, but not see it.
And yes...lots of people suck, and always intrigued me how people that DID know (well I knew right from wrong, just didn't care. It was an invalid question to me if I should feel bad doing it, Like asking me if I like or hate the taste of the color blue).
{sorry side ramble there} how that people that did know/care still did things to end up in prison when they didnt have to. But trying to talk to them about it out of curiosity, in prison, makes some of them a bit on edge and cranky when you start proding 'why' they did things...LOL.
Now Some was there because they 'had' to. Lost job, no one hiring, 2 kids, rent to pay...time to rob a store, or break into houses I guess.
Now some there that the world has given up on as worthless dont suck, but are driven into being that eventually, by being wrote off as worthless. |
That's how it is for everyone. We can see the same things, yet understand those things differently. It is also one of the biggest reasons for conflict.
It's hard to talk about whether i think you did the right thing or not when it landed you that sentence without knowing anything. I won't ask, don't worry. Sometimes i think it's quite alright, if you were defending yourself or family, or if someone was blackmailing you and/or threatening you with financial or social ruin.
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| DXWarlock wrote: | See at least he was trying to be cordial about it and call it casual.
I straight out think its blatant misogyny when your argument is why women can 'whore' themselves out on cam, yet less of them in the thing you enjoy.
Women not acting how you think they should in their private lives? How dare them!
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Calling it 'casual' is much more malicious because that implies most comments here are misogynistic. This term has started becoming a problem because it also dismisses any valid criticism as misogyny. The problem is these 4-5 users here (out of the active 50 ) making these comments doesn't make it casual misogyny because casual implies there's a culture of it. It's straight up misogyny in this case.
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I've never understood how to properly use "y'all" or what exactly it's supposed to convey tbh, so I use it at very random as an abbreviation  Has it become a Twitter/Neogaf/Resetera thing ? I'm genuinely asking |
| DXWarlock wrote: | Not sure what he meant either. So we both might be misunderstanding what he means by highlighting it.
To me 'Y'all' is a very old southern term thats a slang/ lazy vocabulary accent form of "You all" or "You Guys". If it has any ties to the resetera/whatever side. If must be niche as it is OVERLY abundantly used day in and day out here in southern US universally.
Would be like saying 'Tosser' is a radical (pick a side) term. When 99% of people that hear that associate it with British terms. |
The use is widespread in Southern US but it has different connotations on the net. Was actually meant to replace 'you guys' since 'you all' is more inclusive. So you all was shortened to 'y'all' but many on the net started using it to make
This is a good article about the word:
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211119-why-more-people-are-saying-yall
| AmpegV4 wrote: | | I think it's irony, the way a handful of users post here provides the other side legitimacy so you wind up with this never ending cycle of extremism on both sides. |
This is what I alluded to earlier. You're talking about generalisations that happen to the majority because of the few. Now where have I heard that before. You should have stopped when the going was good, Ampeg
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| Yuri wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: | See at least he was trying to be cordial about it and call it casual.
I straight out think its blatant misogyny when your argument is why women can 'whore' themselves out on cam, yet less of them in the thing you enjoy.
Women not acting how you think they should in their private lives? How dare them!
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Calling it 'casual' is much more malicious because that implies most comments here are misogynistic. This term has started becoming a problem because it also dismisses any valid criticism as misogyny. The problem is these 4-5 users here (out of the active 50 ) making these comments doesn't make it casual misogyny because casual implies there's a culture of it. It's straight up misogyny in this case. |
Believe me or not, I used "casual" more in the sense that some understood it as, as in "light" misogyny. If anything, I thought casual meant irregular/infrequent (although it's being repeated) ! But yeah, you're right, there's also that hint of "it's omnipresent but tongue in cheek", I figure.. English is a very lively language
Well, 4-5 out of 50 is 1/10, that makes it pretty visible, don't you think ? It's hard to keep perspectives considering how few we are, but you're right, that came off as disrespectful. Sorry about it.
| Quote: | | The use is widespread in Southern US but it has different connotations on the net. Was actually meant to replace 'you guys' since 'you all' is more inclusive. So you all was shortened to 'y'all' but many on the net started using it to make |
See, this is definitely the type of shit where I think you guys have been interacting with Resetera etc communities for long enough that you start seeing a lot of things through their googles and optics as well. Being hyper-vigilant for any odd use of words.
What the fuck, who even knows that outside of this bubble ? But yeah, I do guess it's objectively the most inclusive pronoun possible in English. Thanks for pointing it out, I could have figured it was an inclusive kind of thing. Well, crickets !
I'll use you guys in here then, not like I'd be lying either way
| AmpegV4 wrote: | 2c and normally i wouldn't post because the fuck cares. Would you actually reflect on your random forum shit-posting. Immediately jumping to "fat cunt gaming companies", "females to whore themselves out" etc. because a platform game character model was female is maybe not a good trait?
That line of thinking will exude to others whether you like it or not in actual social settings even if you aren't as gratuitous as your forum shit-posting.
Like Zor, i can't stand either side of the woke coin. I think it's irony, the way a handful of users post here provides the other side legitimacy so you wind up with this never ending cycle of extremism on both sides.
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 Thanks !
And no, I'm not angry at all towards Storm, I've said it before, your (Storm's and everyone else's here) ideas are your ideas, and I'm here because I enjoy your company, encompassing all that comes with it. I just don't really enjoy anti-woke comments left and right, like he pointed out.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Mar 2023 09:40 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | It's hard to talk about whether i think you did the right thing or not when it landed you that sentence without knowing anything. I won't ask, don't worry. Sometimes i think it's quite alright, if you were defending yourself or family, or if someone was blackmailing you and/or threatening you with financial or social ruin. |
No I did some pretty juvenile criminal things, I did deserve, and some other things (a different arrest time) for petty things that was blown out of proportion 
But past is past, I did my time. And I dont mind talking about it, either or is fine with me.
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Ah see y'all or y'alls to me is just another word I or people I know say without thinking about it or putting any emotional meaning behind it (or even realize we are saying it most the time). Its purely a regional dialect instinctual way to mean whoever you are talking to.
There is
You: One person (or if REALLY southern you'sin or you'in..think that's how you'd spell it. Never wrote it down before ..but rarely hear that unless suuuper southern or really old southern people).
Y'all: A group of people you know.
Y'alls or All Y'alls: A large group of people where some of them are 3rd party/not there to talk about to the topic at hand, or you don't know the rest directly.
Now All Y'all and All Y'alls IS different. One means "yes..ALL of you here, incase anyone wasn't sure who I was meaning by Y'all". The other means "All of you I know here and then some other people."
You'd say "When are y'all going to the park" if you are asking a friend when he and his family are going. And "When are all y'alls going to the park" if you are asking a friend when he and his family and some other people he knows not in his family are going. (or I guess his family AND extended family. As in All Y'alls..you and yours, plus the rest.)
About like Canadians using eh as in "I know, eh?” and its different uses. Here It can mean "I know, right?" but asking "What are you up to, eh?" Is just a word that confirms it was a question mark at the end you expect a reply to.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Believe me or not, I used "casual" more in the sense that some understood it as, as in "light" misogyny. If anything, I thought casual meant irregular/infrequent (although it's being repeated) ! But yeah, you're right, there's also that hint of "it's omnipresent but tongue in cheek", I figure.. English is a very lively language |
Yeah, all languages have those certain words that can have different meanings. Some words can trip even native speakers
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Well, 4-5 out of 50 is 1/10, that makes it pretty visible, don't you think ? It's hard to keep perspectives considering how few we are, but you're right, that came off as disrespectful. Sorry about it. |
Sorry man, I have to disagree here. When you have one person out of ten talking about something that's not really visible. If it's five out then then I'd say it's visible. In this case, it's only being repeated by the same people like stormwolf, vurt etc and not like anyone else is adopting these ideas it is what I meant. For some reason they are way too angsty... vurt thinks white men are under attack, stormwolf thinks climate change is a hoax etc
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See, this is definitely the type of shit where I think you guys have been interacting with Resetera etc communities for long enough that you start seeing a lot of things through their googles and optics as well. Being hyper-vigilant for any odd use of words.
What the fuck, who even knows that outside of this bubble ? But yeah, I do guess it's objectively the most inclusive pronoun possible in English. Thanks for pointing it out, I could have figured it was an inclusive kind of thing. Well, crickets !
I'll use you guys in here then, not like I'd be lying either way
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I'm not interacting with them but 'y'all' and it's connotations on the internet are widespread because of all memes similar to this: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/but-yall-are-not-ready-for-that-conversation The usage is way too prevalent that way and what DXW mentioned is how the word is used in real life in Southern America regions.
Unfortunately it isn't a bubble nor am I being hyper-vigilant but 'y'all' always precedes with some 'questionable' statements all over the net. Just made me wonder how you as a native French speaker came across this specific word.
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Anyway, this tribalism and gender war has made the net much worse given how it's made some believe they are a victim even when they aren't one. At this point it's like playing an Olympics game of 'who is the bigger victim' whereas actual victims are thinking 'wtf is happening here' !
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | What? I think climate change is a hoax? That is certainly news to me I don't think anyone can disagree about climate changing. |
| Stormwolf wrote: | | More climate shit to scare kids and easily impressionables. Will skip |
https://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=117563
What was this then
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Sense of urgency to fix, and imminent emergency is the difference. I doubt many people other than loonies are deathly afraid of it suddenly happening 'soon' to a degree that would affect them in life altering ways
But urgency to do something now (well 10 years ago would be better now is 2nd best) so we 'start to stop' it for future generations means is urgent we do something starting now, and that something we do is drastic since we are sooo far over the line of 'change a few minor things to correct it.'
Again "Wise is the man that plants a tree under whos shade he will never sit". We (well most) want to do major changes to fix the planet for generations of people we will never see. Every year we wait to start, is changes 100-200 years from now that will be exponentially harder to correct for in that time.
So no one, (well no one even remotely educated on it) is deathly afraid of Global Warming killing them soon, or eating the coast of a continent to sea rise and the edge of the country gone.. or something.
But the need to start today, for the huge delayed reaction effect of those changes, is urgent.
Anyone you see worried about Global warming will majorly life altering impact them in any short term situation so that's why the panic, write them off as the small fring idiots. And not at all any form of representation of the majority by any stretch of the imagination.
Every complicated topic has its single digit percentage of over reacting ill informed drama queens. But that does not mean you should batten down the hatches of resolve against them, since you will find out the swarm you expected to rush your walls with absurdity. Is really just one crazy dude knocking on it screaming "THE END IS NIGH!". The other 99 you expected in that mob. Is going about life urging others to adjust accordingly as soon as possible.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Yea. I feel sometimes its a evil necessity? Some people just cannot think or care long term. The only way to get them to act, is to exaggerate how it will effect them and how soon that is.
Now targeting the right people with it, and the fact its 'stretching the truth' is morally questionable, no question about that.
But for those that dont know, AND if they did went "So I will be dead by them" and not care. How else do you make them care for the greater good of all?
Freedom of choice not to care is a thing to consider. But I (personally feel) when your freedom of choice causes only consequences for others and none for you..then it's wrong to allow freedom to do that thing.
It would almost be like saying Mugging is now legal because I can choose to do it, and the fact it only negatively impacts others and not me, does not trump my choice to do it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Mar 2023 03:45 Post subject: |
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Be realistic, no-one cares about their neighbours kids and the future. Some people barely care about their own kids future. The ethical debate on a personal level is not a motivating factor. Kind of like covid, the moment the world had to rely on common people please do X Y or Z that battle was over.
CC is no different. People today are more than capable of pretty much setting up for eco-friendly self-sustainable living and working less if they wanted to. That's not the social norm though, so the vast majority would think that's a crazy idea and / or not possible.
Combating climate change is really on governments working together world-wide, and regulation.
If your a home owner, you must have some solar, you must have some rain water, recycling programs and expectations of citizens needs to be increased.
If your a business or manufacturer, you must have some % renewable, you must do X. Y. etc. with increasing improvement over time. So long as you can move your entire operation to child labour camps with heavy pollution we are just wasting time as well.
Then there is the impact from third/second-world countries, world leaders may actually need to step in with serious investment here rather than spending on bombs and munitions.
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In a nutshell my opinion hasn't changed. CC in time wipes out humanity or any intelligent species stuck in a capitalist way of thinking.
/if your going to reply use the climate change thread wherever it is as we derailed this thread. (Mod move our posts if you can be bothered.)
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Mar 2023 05:48 Post subject: |
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And neither of you care about anything but grandstanding and preaching what others should do, yet don't follow it yourself. That is the problem we're facing in general. Most people are like that. That's a lie, most people don't care at all.
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How you know I do or dont, or what level of involvement in change I put forth?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Mon, 27th Mar 2023 06:55 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | And neither of you care about anything but grandstanding and preaching what others should do, yet don't follow it yourself. That is the problem we're facing in general. Most people are like that. That's a lie, most people don't care at all. |
Not true on my end, I consume based on my principles despite it making zero difference in the scheme of things. This forum has shown me that 90% of people even informed or passionate still buy and preorder the shit they claim to be against.
Because your vocal and been called out several times, I know u pay Netflix, u pay blizz etc. So you support the companies you rag on, maybe change that - because it's really easy to do. I also think big corp market research knows it, there is more profit enraging social media platforms vs. your tomb raiders and dead or alive's.
I certainly agree with your generalisation though.
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@Stormwolf
But isnt that just an assumption on your part for convenience of convincing yourself to not need to do anything also?
How do you know how much or little I do, or how active I am in local town/city issues and policy changes of carbon emissions....or well how much anyone is, outside of the range of your own eyeballs of who you can see doing/not doing things?
And isnt this same-same what you condemn? Your concept of | Quote: | | All waiting for other people to do the heavy lifting. Best not to give a fuck tbh |
Is the same as what you finger waggle at others for doing: Not asking 'what can I do'. But let's look and see if anyone else is doing anything else first before I start. Not not saying you are not allowed to think like that, your choice.
Just you shouldn't be mocking people doing, what you are doing. As they are the same in the end. "No one else is doing it yet, why should I?"
Or perhaps I read it wrong. It seems to me what you are saying is:
They care, and dont do anything, since others are not doing anything about it anyway.
I dont care, and dont do anything, since others are not doing anything about it anyway.
And conveying that you not caring, and not doing anything; is somehow better than caring and not doing anything. in the end the 'doing anything' is the important part. Not if you personally care about doing the thing that you need to be done.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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It simply means that many are deathly afraid of this and bordering on craziness, don't need more to fuel the fire.
