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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2023 23:38    Post subject:
at 1080p unless ur a cumpetiteev gamurrr that needs 600fps on low settings at fortnite a 3060 is more than capable at delivering high 60fps in most titles.

Shit optimization seems to me is here to stay especially with nvidia pushing power hog features that make the dev's job easier while passing the cost to the consoomer and suits rushing product out too early.


tl;dr if I'm paying above midrange money I should expect 1440p/4K to work
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Apr 2023 23:59    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
at 1080p unless ur a cumpetiteev gamurrr that needs 600fps on low settings at fortnite a 3060 is more than capable at delivering high 60fps in most titles.


After using a Steam Deck + mid-range gaeming laptop for the better part of the last year, I wholeheartedly agree.

+ I think DLSS/FSR are a blessing and a curse. It's just making devs lazier.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 00:04    Post subject:
Price difference between 3070 and 3060ti back then was ~50€. But if it was nowadays sure, even the normal 3060 is a better price/performance option.
Not back in 2020 though (the ti, I think the regular 3060 was released only in 2021).


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 12:13    Post subject:
ud think with steamdeck devs who have started optimizing more for igpu to get a piece of that market but i havent seen anyone flaunting their well optimized engines , all just hogged down unoptimized and memory leak crap Sad

maybe unreal 5 engine ? but i doubt it, older unreal engines have been gimmicky at best
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 17:05    Post subject:


8 gig on high end is just not cutting it anymore

but question is, why ..., are devs noth bothering anymore with compression of textures n what not

i cant tell any difference between games that ran fine with 4 gigs of ram , compared to those that use 16 gigs, in moving images

dont devs know that normal gamer people stopped buying high end cards these last three years and by not making their shit work on 4-8 gig cards they are pissing of their customers ?
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 17:14    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7kFgHe21k&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

8 gig on high end is just not cutting it anymore

but question is, why ..., are devs noth bothering anymore with compression of textures n what not

i cant tell any difference between games that ran fine with 4 gigs of ram , compared to those that use 16 gigs, in moving images

dont devs know that normal gamer people stopped buying high end cards these last three years and by not making their shit work on 4-8 gig cards they are pissing of their customers ?


Someone mentioned it previously here, something to do with how PS5 shares those 16GB between RAM and VRAM. We're back at square one when games were made for 360 and ported to PC.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 17:26    Post subject:
jackbomb wrote:
We're back at square one when games were made for 360 and ported to PC.


Was there a time in the last 20 years or so where that wasn't the case? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 18:30    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
8 gig on high end is just not cutting it anymore

but question is, why ..., are devs noth bothering anymore with compression of textures n what not


Developer is explaining about VRAM usage and porting games -

Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isn4eLTi8lQ


Fast forward the video to around 48 minutes.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 19:23    Post subject:
4treyu wrote:
jackbomb wrote:
We're back at square one when games were made for 360 and ported to PC.


Was there a time in the last 20 years or so where that wasn't the case? Laughing


Yup! 2013 and forth (until last year apparently) we, as PC gamers, had an edge and programmers made games with platform care. What I feel is we're drowning again in an era of coding mediocrity Laughing Sad
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Apr 2023 20:05    Post subject:
jackbomb wrote:
4treyu wrote:
jackbomb wrote:
We're back at square one when games were made for 360 and ported to PC.


Was there a time in the last 20 years or so where that wasn't the case? Laughing


Yup! 2013 and forth (until last year apparently) we, as PC gamers, had an edge and programmers made games with platform care. What I feel is we're drowning again in an era of coding mediocrity Laughing Sad


If the game looks like something I would play with a controller, I will for sure buy it for PS5, and it will have smooth frames and GOOD ENOUGH graphics, comparable to what I can push with a 4090 on PC with ports that are so poor, it should be illegal to launch games like this on PC.

Ports are awful these days. Awful.
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 15:58    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHDq-LEGzw


Dude Happy

FireMaster wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNX6fSeYYT8


Dude Sad
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pho08




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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 16:15    Post subject:
see? i learned
but tbh dude is really biased and... annoying


+1
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 16:53    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:
pho08 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHDq-LEGzw


Dude Happy

FireMaster wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNX6fSeYYT8


Dude Sad


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 17:10    Post subject:
Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 17:32    Post subject:
I'm lost men, who's biased and who's not? Confused


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 19:05    Post subject:
Wasn't tech Jesus like the most non-biased human being ever?


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 19:57    Post subject:
both amd and nvida think were all idiots , nvidia with there ram fuckery and amd with what buttfucked budget cards they tried ramming down our throats .... , and fuck intel for not pushing harder , they could have made a huge dent and grabbed huge market cap percent points if they had pushed budget harder

but iu bet the suits in blue get nightmares if people think "budget" when they say intel
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 21:54    Post subject:
konkol84 wrote:
Wasn't tech Jesus like the most non-biased human being ever?


He is, Amadeus' reply was just funny as a reaction to both posts Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 23:17    Post subject:
tech jesus Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Apr 2023 23:38    Post subject:
How much will ryzen 3600 bottleneck 4070? Philosopheraptor
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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Apr 2023 00:32    Post subject:
I always thought guy from hardware unboxed has a super puncheable face but what's exactly wrong with his numbers?
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Apr 2023 07:28    Post subject:
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91066/nvidia-rtx-4070-gets-price-cuts-with-rumors-the-gpu-is-off-to-shaky-start/index.html


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Apr 2023 10:47    Post subject:
nobody wants the shitty overpriced Laughing everywhere in stock, the tide is turning
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Apr 2023 10:53    Post subject:
Doubt it. Whether the storm at high prices, gamers with too much money whine but enviable buy anyway. Wait til next crypto boom and make baziilions at high prices.
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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Apr 2023 12:36    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91066/nvidia-rtx-4070-gets-price-cuts-with-rumors-the-gpu-is-off-to-shaky-start/index.html


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And indeed there are suggestions that demand may be on the weak side, such as the tweet above from leaker TechEpiphany, who claims that big German retailer MindFactory (MF) only sold around 300 units on launch day, which is indicative that interest is "pretty low" in the GPU.
LOL


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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Apr 2023 14:08    Post subject:
slal wrote:
How much will ryzen 3600 bottleneck 4070? Philosopheraptor


Quite a lot actually.

Seeing as the 4070 is comparable to a 6950XT in rasterization, this test by HWU should provide enough answers.

Keep in mind that if you were to play at 4K, the difference would be smaller. But if you then add DLSS, the difference becomes more pronounced again, since the GPU load is reduced.



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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Apr 2023 15:13    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
escalibur wrote:
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/91066/nvidia-rtx-4070-gets-price-cuts-with-rumors-the-gpu-is-off-to-shaky-start/index.html


Quote:
And indeed there are suggestions that demand may be on the weak side, such as the tweet above from leaker TechEpiphany, who claims that big German retailer MindFactory (MF) only sold around 300 units on launch day, which is indicative that interest is "pretty low" in the GPU.
LOL




Those poor sales.... Philosopheraptor


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