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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Apr 2023 19:30    Post subject:
curious, wont 7200 rpm 12 tb HDD drives ruin the very qieut aspect
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highfe




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Apr 2023 19:49    Post subject:
Nah, I can barely hear the HDDs in my PC at night if I forget to turn my PC off, and the PC is 2m away.

While we are on the subject. I don't know how loud the fans in the NAS are, maybe I need to replace them with quieter ones? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Apr 2023 21:00    Post subject:
my experience:

synology fast/lean interface but inferior hardware at the same price point as..

..qnap slow(er) but more bang for buck and more customizable.


or get a raspberrry and build your own nas
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Apr 2023 21:53    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
my experience:

synology fast/lean interface but inferior hardware at the same price point as..

..qnap slow(er) but more bang for buck and more customizable.


or get a raspberrry and build your own nas


Qnap has pretty poor security principles, if security matters for you. My personal recommendation would be either go with TrueNAS build, or buy Synology depending on your budget. Both should be solid options for home use.

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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Apr 2023 22:13    Post subject:
Synology works for me, but my usage of them is pretty basic.
Just cold/deep storage of thing I dont want to lose, Macrium Reflect weekly disk image backups of my PC and my work laptop OS drives, and the occasional streaming of movie wife wants to TV over network.


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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Apr 2023 19:06    Post subject:
highfe wrote:
To lazy to make a new thread.. Laughing

Can anyone give me a recommendation as far as NAS is concerned. Main criteria: be very quiet and be able to Plex Media Server? Have 2 or better yet 4 x 3.5 inch HDD bays 2x12TB/2x2TB=28TB in Total. And please a fast interface. Budget depending on up to 750€, the cheaper the better.


Synology 411j


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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Apr 2023 19:24    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
my experience:

synology fast/lean interface but inferior hardware at the same price point as..

..qnap slow(er) but more bang for buck and more customizable.


or get a raspberrry and build your own nas

Not sure what "inferior hardware" and "bang for the buck" means on a NAS. If you use it as a NAS, and even as a low-key home server, both's offerings are more than enough. Neither can reencode 4K on the fly, for example. So given that, one should make their choice based on interface UX and services offered, rather than MHz comparison of the CPUs.
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Apr 2023 20:06    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
pho08 wrote:
my experience:

synology fast/lean interface but inferior hardware at the same price point as..

..qnap slow(er) but more bang for buck and more customizable.


or get a raspberrry and build your own nas

Not sure what "inferior hardware" and "bang for the buck" means on a NAS. If you use it as a NAS, and even as a low-key home server, both's offerings are more than enough. Neither can reencode 4K on the fly, for example. So given that, one should make their choice based on interface UX and services offered, rather than MHz comparison of the CPUs.




but its pretty good still Smile its not exactly what you mean, but it works great as a plexserver still


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highfe




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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 06:16    Post subject:
The Synology DS920 is really expensive and only one shop got this one for 600€, and all other shops 800€? Seems really popular. I guess the new DS923 is not that good for Plex/transcoding 4k HEVC because of Ryzen? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 10:11    Post subject:
Why the fuck would you want your Plex server—any Plex server, let alone a NAS—to transcode your video?
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 10:18    Post subject:
To expand, the Plex transcoded was terrible in the good old days, where SDR content was relatively easy to get right. Now, with HDR, DV and so on, it’s absolutely abysmal, often mistaking colorspaces and breaking due to 8-bit color depth.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 12:36    Post subject:
I also never understood the hype around PLEX. I really wanted to like it at some point, but I just couldn't find it to be useful.


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 13:42    Post subject:
Plex Media Server is a convenient tool to have metadata automatically discovered and downloaded and works well enough.

Plex transcoding, playback, all the "premium" features are abysmal garbage. Their player used to be OK for library navigation and "Direct Play" playback. But then they rewrote it in garbage React Native and made that horrible too.

I use Infuse on iOS and Apple TV to browse and play media from Plex, and it's a good combination. Certainly better than any modern streaming app, that bombards you with "engaygement" "you may like" bullshit that nobody wants to see.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 14:46    Post subject:
I used Plex for a long time 8yrs maybe, it does what it needs to do is fairly decent. I switched to Emby which I feel has a better overall feature set, much better UI and does everything Plex does. Very seldomly I use GPU transcoding with a amd 5-series can't remember, it does a decent job.

Effectively all my media is automated, subtitles included, finds foreign stuff finds rare stuff etc. All movies just come in as it's rigged to public lists, tv shows I selectively add.. job done.

I can't see myself changing this setup in future for a v. long time. Regards NAS I just built my own which is more expensive but it gives me zero problems and enough performance to run a ton of lab infrastructure on top.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 16:19    Post subject:
Ok then if Plex is so bad.. I can try DS923 with Emby then? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 16:24    Post subject:
thats what i meant w hardware. had a synology with 1gb ram and with a bunch of apps running (most notably emby server) it would always max out ram.

same price got me a qnap w 2gb and better cpu

but as i said i am not entirely happy w qnap either
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 18:13    Post subject:
So you paid the full price of a NAS again, just to get 1GB extra?

All Synology NASes have upgradeable RAM. Why didn't you just buy cheap laptop RAM sticks and stick those in, instead of buying an entirely new NAS server? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 18:54    Post subject:
maybe we're talking about different things but i refered to entry level nas systems which cost me <200 bucks. and since youre so curious i returned synology and got the qnap instead bc the synology was NOT upgradeable. as far as i am aware NONE of the synology entry level nas systems are...

but i appreciate your concern mate
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 19:18    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
maybe we're talking about different things but i refered to entry level nas systems which cost me <200 bucks. and since youre so curious i returned synology and got the qnap instead bc the synology was NOT upgradeable. as far as i am aware NONE of the synology entry level nas systems are...

but i appreciate your concern mate


Well, you can add more memory and m2's for buffering. Atleast on the one i got. But I would like more options though.


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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 22:42    Post subject:
@pho08 Interesting, I am not familiar with the lowest end j series of "NASes", but those are really limited in software (most likely, artificially). I was speaking about the DS+ series.

But apparently, that isn't true either. Some models have soldered RAM!
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 22:45    Post subject:
Ah, I think I understand. The Intel and AMD models have upgradable RAM, while other, more simpler SoCs have soldered RAM.
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 23:05    Post subject:
Yeah as i said we were probably talking about different beasts. Mine's an entry lvl realtek throwaway NAS so to speak Very Happy
I just needed data dump and media server and for that its absolutely enough. Plus its pretty energy efficient (which becomes more and more a relevant factor over here)-- not sure if OP actually needed sth more sophisticated
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Apr 2023 23:12    Post subject:
I am running a DS1821+ with all 8 bays filled, haha, so I am not as intune to the mere-human NAS needs as I thought I was. Laughing
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